Unknown fish scale/skin disease!

Discussion in 'Freshwater Fish Disease' started by FishyFish123, Jul 17, 2015.

  1. FishyFish123

    FishyFish123New MemberMember

    I have been keeping fish for over 7 years now and I have recently come across a disease on one of my older fish where the skin becomes inflamed and inflated around the body in little blotch type lumps and I have NO idea in what they are or how they were cause! Any help or medication would be very much appreciated!
    Images of the disease:
  2. Gena

    GenaWell Known MemberMember

    Can you give up some information about the tank? Size, parameters, tank mates, etc?
  3. OP

    FishyFish123New MemberMember

    3ft X 1.2ft X 1ft I dont really know much else about the tank due to the fact it was handed down to me!
  4. Dadio

    DadioWell Known MemberMember

    I think it looks like what is called "Fish Herpes"

    Take a look here

    Koi and goldies catch many of the same thing as in fact your fish can be either in a pond or tank. The reason they get sic 99% of the time is due to water conditions so

    Things we need to know

    1) What are your tank parameters
    2) What do you use to test the water with
    3) What type of filtration
    4) How many fish in your tank
    5) What is your maintenance program like

    Salt dips can help as with a number of other things but before we suggest something it's best we know as much about your tank as possible.
  5. Dadio

    DadioWell Known MemberMember

    By the way, welcome to Fishlore where you'll find some of the most helpful and friendliest pet humans.
  6. OP

    FishyFish123New MemberMember

    Take perimeters are 3ft X 1.2ft X 1ft
    testing the water...Honestly I dont test it I probably should but I also have no way of testing it.
    My filtration is abit stop and go. My original broke so right now I am on a cheap little £5 water filter which is NOT strong enough for this take, my new one is coming soon!
    I have 3 fish in my tank (two are sick with infections)
    My maintenance normally consists of cleaning and replacing about half the tank every two weeks along with using Supa Tonic salts with each gallon.
    Also these fish are over 5-6 years in age and I am NOT a professional fish keeper or ever fish enthusiast in any way!
  7. Anders247

    Anders247Fishlore LegendMember

    Welcome to fishlore!
    By parameters he means ammonia, nitrite, nitrate, and pH, etc..... not the tank dimensions.
  8. Dadio

    DadioWell Known MemberMember

    Ok, so first thing. Your tank size is approximatly a 33G/128 liters

    2nd thing is your not treating your water correctly which may be one of the reasons for the ulcerations. You need to pre-treat the water before adding it with either seachem prime or another that treats chlorination.

    3rd'ly, you need to understand the cycle of your tank and all the parameters that are of the water. So you need a water parameter test kit such as that by API. Don't use strips as these are not accurate.

    4th until you get your new filter your going to hald replace at least 15% of the water daily to help with the bio load. You have what we call a fancy goldfish in laymens terms. These are very heavy on the bio-load of the tank. I would not introduce any new ones until you have this situation under control

    5th, your tank size is limited with fancies, 2, 3 tops as they require lots of space and good filtration. For the moment on the next water change dilute 1tsp of aquarium salt per gallon ratio. Meaning the tank is 33 gallons roughly so add 32 teaspoons of salt to a gallon of what and slowly of the course of 12 hours add this to your tank. The salt will help increase their protection coating and also work as a saline solution to help with the infection.

    I'm no specialist when it comes to sicknesses but from what I see in the photos it looks to be as mentioned or it could be a secondary infection from a scratch or skin injury.

    As you, I'm no professional fishkeeper nor do I believe any of us can be classed as such because we all are constantly learning. We are fishkeepers and pets to those we keep therefore we have the added responsibility to insure the lives of those we keep. Research is the key, asking questions and simply jumping in as you have done.

    More pictures would be appreciated of both the infected fish and that of your whole tank setup.

    I also suggest reading up on the nitrogen cycle as this alone will give you good insight,
  9. OP

    FishyFish123New MemberMember

    Thank you for the advise, Also I do treat the water with a solution per gallon. Its just that before these infections were noticed we would change the water rarely and mainly rely on the pump for filtration! I will ask any more questions if any more problems acure! Also this is my last batch of fish for this house. As I will probably sell this tank at some point I will probably ask you for a rough price rage, you seem to know what your talking about and seem to also be a responsible fish owner so I am probably going to frequently ask you for guidance! But again thank you for your help!
  10. Dadio

    DadioWell Known MemberMember

    Thank you. My pleasure to know that my advice and that which I gained from the wonderful members here is both appreciated and welcomed.

    You brought up a good point though, the aspect of doing very little water change which could be part of the reasoning behind what your now experiencing. High pollution weakens their slime coat as does untreated water that can induce sickness. Even decor can create issues if sharp and rough as one lifted scale or scratch with uncertain water conditions can bring on infections and sickness.

    The higher the filtration the less requirements on water changes for most setups. Now I for one don't follow that rule but on the other hand I also employ 4 and 5 stage canister filters, live plants and feed only 1 to 2 times per day. Sure you can feed more, but take in mind goldfish are eating pooping machines so the more you feed, the more they poop. If you feed good quality food that helps both digestion and less load on bio-loads this greatly helps. Many of us feel we should feed more often but this also depends on many factors. For example; My koi pond is about 4000g and they are fed mainly once a day and more when we are home all day. Even there we never over-feed but do feed them based on the activity. Colder water temps, less feeding, higher temps they become more active and I increase their protein feed.

    The trick imo with caring is coming to know your friends, their likes, dislikes and yes, even their moods. Sorta like a caring mother so to speak. As fishkeepers we come to know our friends beyond the aspect of fish/human but as caretakers of small worlds of life.
  11. OP

    FishyFish123New MemberMember

    Ok the new pump is back in and the redness around the infections is clearing up. The water is also looking ALLOT cleaner so I hope he will pull through!
  12. Matt68046

    Matt68046Valued MemberMember

    Good deal.
  13. OP

    FishyFish123New MemberMember

    I am very sorry to say but the fish is dying, he isnt moving very much his breathing is very slow and he is just sitting at the bottom of the tank and not really swimming. Not looking good at all I think he will be gone by the end of tomorrow. :(