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Hi! I have three male scarlet endler’s from my LFS. I’ve had them for a while now. When I first purchased them, they all looked about the same. However, for the past month or two one has really colored up, his fins have grown beautifully long, and he has stunning spots on them as well. Until now, I’ve never seen an Endler that looks like this. Is it because he is more dominant over the other males? Is it possible that he is some sort of hybrid or not a scarlet Endler at all? Please share any thoughts!
 

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Woah he’s gorgeous. He’s probably a guppy/Endler hybrid. I think should breed him. I like his polka dots.
 
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DIYbetta said:
Woah he’s gorgeous. He’s probably a guppy/Endler hybrid. I think should breed him. I like his polka dots.
Thank you! I was thinking he may be a guppy/Endler hybrid. I would love to try to breed him but I need to get a few females first as I only have males right now. Any thoughts on what I should breed him to? Just more scarlet endlers? I don’t have much experience breeding :bored:
 

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It really depends on what you want more of. If you want more red and you like the split tail, you should breed him with endlers. If you want more colors, and could care less about the tail shape, maybe try some guppies.
 

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Also guppies like cobra guppies should give the fry more polka dots.
 
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DIYbetta said:
It really depends on what you want more of. If you want more red and you like the split tail, you should breed him with endlers. If you want more colors, and could care less about the tail shape, maybe try some guppies.
Thank makes sense, thanks!
 

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Ps: if you’re breeding you’ll want to make sure you have spare tanks and big enough tanks for it.
 

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I think you might want @emeraldking to look at it, too.
 

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trinity28 said:
Is it because he is more dominant over the other males? Is it possible that he is some sort of hybrid or not a scarlet Endler at all? Please share any thoughts!
Hi, all three are red scarlet endlers. But before I'll go on, you must know that a red scarlet endler (also known as chili endler) is already a hybrid strain. It's not a genuine endler but a hybrid strain to start with.
Yes, the tail part is just a trait that comes from the guppy. It's got nothing to do with dominance within the group. In every hybrid strain from time to time some guppy traits will occur again. This specific male and the male in pic 2 (bottom male) show also some magenta. This is also a guppy trait that every chili endler carries in him (so, genotypically). But not every male will show it (phenotypically).
One of the ancestors of this strain is the black bar endler. If you're not able to get your hands on chili endler females, you can try it with black bar endler females. In the next generation (if you're using clean or virgin females), phenotypical black bar en chili males will develop. Cull the right ones to enhance the chili endler look in following generations.
If it's the tailshape and the dots that you'd like to pass on, cross F1 daughters back to the father to enhance those traits.
 
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emeraldking said:
Hi, all three are red scarlet endlers. But before I'll go on, you must know that a red scarlet endler (also known as chili endler) is already a hybrid strain. It's not a genuine endler but a hybrid strain to start with.
Yes, the tail part is just a trait that comes from the guppy. It's got nothing to do with dominance within the group. In every hybrid strain from time to time some guppy traits will occur again. This specific male and the male in pic 2 (bottom male) show also some magenta. This is also a guppy trait that every chili endler carries in him (so, genotypically). But not every male will show it (phenotypically).
One of the ancestors of this strain is the black bar endler. If you're not able to get your hands on chili endler females, you can try it with black bar endler females. In the next generation (if you're using clean or virgin females), phenotypical black bar en chili males will develop. Cull the right ones to enhance the chili endler look in following generations.
If it's the tailshape and the dots that you'd like to pass on, cross F1 daughters back to the father to enhance those traits.
Thank you so much!
 
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