Uk Available Anti Internal Parasite Medication

TheWanderingFish

I think my new GBR has internal parasites. Her belly is sunken, she is hiding a lot (compared to the other) and her poop has been white/stringy/see through for a few days.

All I have is Seachem paragaurd, aquarium salt, stressgaurd and another antI parasite treatment though I don't think they treat internal types. Can I soak food in treated water first?

Many of the treatments I hear about don't seem to be available from amazon.co.uk or my local shops.

What should I be looking for? A make called 'waterlife' seems to be available on amazon. Aquarium Treatment For General Parasites- Sterazin

Should I use paragaurd in the community tank for a few days to stop them spreading?

This is her
 

TheWanderingFish

All that brings up is:



and

 

Coradee

Hi, although I haven’t used it I have heard good things about the Esha-Ndx for parasites
 

nikm128

All that brings up is:



and
Unfortunately neither of those are the one... sorry
 

TheWanderingFish

Should I quarantine the fish or treat the tank.. I don't really want to quarantine her as I think the stress of it before is what brought this on

Unfortunately neither of those are the one... sorry
There must be SOMETHING for internal parasite available surely!
 

nikm128

Should I quarantine the fish or treat the tank.. I don't really want to quarantine her as I think the stress of it before is what brought this on
If she's alone it makes no difference, but if there are tank mates there's a chance that the whole tank is infected so it's best to treat the whole thing
Whitewolf do you know of any good meds available in the UK?
 

Coradee

Hi, the Esha you posted & Waterlife Sterazin & Octozin are also decent products, can’t remember off the cuff which one for internal parasites so you may have to look them up.
 

TheWanderingFish

Short of taking her back to the shop, as I have only had her for a week, though that seems a shame.

Hi, the Esha you posted & Waterlife Sterazin & Octozin are also decent products, can’t remember off the cuff which one for internal parasites so you may have to look them up.
Thanks I will have a look more closely
 

TheWanderingFish

'STERAZIN - parasiticide. STERAZIN is used or the control of gill and body parasites which cause fish to flick when no symptoms are visible to the unaided eye. STERAZIN will also aid the control of internal parasites such as Round Worm, Thread Worm, and Intestinal Worm.

'OCTOZIN is a treatment for internal parasites such as those which cause Sleeping Sickness, Hole - In - The - Head, Seawater Angelfish and Clownfish Disease, MalawI Bloat Disease and also early stages of Dropsy. OCTOZIN may also be used to treat Whitespot in seawater aquaria where CUPRAZIN cannot be used.'

So by this.. octozin?
 

nikm128

Yes, based on that it sounds like you should use octozin
 

Coradee

Yes, I think I’d go with the Octozin by those descriptions
 

TheWanderingFish

Thanks guys!

So you think its parasites? I ordered it though I would like to make sure before treating. (I don't want to jump the gun)
 

Ronniethewitch

Should I quarantine the fish or treat the tank.. I don't really want to quarantine her as I think the stress of it before is what brought this on


There must be SOMETHING for internal parasite available surely!

I am not sure how this will be received so let me just disclaim that this is personal experience with my own google research and I have only been at this a year.

I am Canadian but I live in the UK as well, and when I had a callamanus outbreak had the same problem finding a treatment - even on-line because of shipping times and once I saw the worms fish were getting ill quickly! So time was critical. What I found was that for most worms hobbyists here use bird de-wormer - with prequantizal, (not sure the spelling is right) because the doses are similiar for a tank full of fish to what you would give a bird. (mine had callamanus which is harder to kill - so what I used, after researching it -was small amounts of a dog wormer with (I think it was flubendazole, not sure though- again, also not sure I am spelling it right-had one in the house anyway). Both bird de-wormer and dog dewormer are readily available in pet stores everywhere in the uk for under a fiver. If you first read the active ingredient list (note the strength) and then google the active ingredient as used for treating fish and the dose amount...I had two different brands, only one was useful...unfortunately I have thrown the boxes out now and can't remember the brand that I used. but honestly I just googled the heck out of it.

Internal parasites really means that you need to get the medicine inside them so there is a very good video teaching you how to medicate your fishfood - uses the med crushed up, with some epsom salt which helps the fish to pass the worm, and garlic powder to make them want to eat the food (fish klove garlic!) - mix it up with tank water (I used paraguard instead of tank water), just enough to saturate the food and let it air dry for 3-4 hrs and you're good to go.
I only did it once then two weeks later again for any eggs that might hatch. haven't had a problem since.

also, I now feed my fish fresh pressed garlic with their bloodworms once a week (they love it!) and peas the next day because the garlic stops worms from being able to take hold when it gets in their tummies and the peas help them poop after such a fatty meal.

edit: I feed the garlic with the bloodworm because it soaks up the garlic oil without becoming mush like other fish food does
 

TheWanderingFish

I am not sure how this will be received so let me just disclaim that this is personal experience with my own google research and I have only been at this a year.

I am Canadian but I live in the UK as well, and when I had a callamanus outbreak had the same problem finding a treatment - even on-line because of shipping times and once I saw the worms fish were getting ill quickly! So time was critical. What I found was that for most worms hobbyists here use bird de-wormer - with prequantizal, (not sure the spelling is right) because the doses are similiar for a tank full of fish to what you would give a bird. (mine had callamanus which is harder to kill - so what I used, after researching it -was small amounts of a dog wormer with (I think it was flubendazole, not sure though- again, also not sure I am spelling it right-had one in the house anyway). Both bird de-wormer and dog dewormer are readily available in pet stores everywhere in the uk for under a fiver. If you first read the active ingredient list (note the strength) and then google the active ingredient as used for treating fish and the dose amount...I had two different brands, only one was useful...unfortunately I have thrown the boxes out now and can't remember the brand that I used. but honestly I just googled the heck out of it.

Internal parasites really means that you need to get the medicine inside them so there is a very good video teaching you how to medicate your fishfood - uses the med crushed up, with some epsom salt which helps the fish to pass the worm, and garlic powder to make them want to eat the food (fish klove garlic!) - mix it up with tank water (I used paraguard instead of tank water), just enough to saturate the food and let it air dry for 3-4 hrs and you're good to go.
I only did it once then two weeks later again for any eggs that might hatch. haven't had a problem since.

also, I now feed my fish fresh pressed garlic with their bloodworms once a week (they love it!) and peas the next day because the garlic stops worms from being able to take hold when it gets in their tummies and the peas help them poop after such a fatty meal.

edit: I feed the garlic with the bloodworm because it soaks up the garlic oil without becoming mush like other fish food does

Thanks for the info!

The info on dewormer is helpful and I can use it for a later date (though I hope they never get them again!) I will look into them. I was thinking of getting the fish food with garlic in NLS ther-A I think its called. When my current tub runs out.. I have had that tub for 2 years though.. I think its endless.

I will defo watch the video to.
 

TheWanderingFish

I gave (part) of this a try by adding garlic puree to my fish food. It did turn it to mush but that was actually good for my neons as they had trouble with even the 0.5mm pellets. My GBR did eat some so
 

TheWanderingFish

In case she did 'pass' any parasites ( I read the garlic can make them 'let go' inside and come out the other end) I added paragaurd to the water for today after I did a water change.
 

Coradee

Hi, a previous poster mentioned using praziquantel for camallanus. I know that’s not what you’re dealing with but if you needed a med with prazI you can get a product here in the UK with it, it’s called Fluke solve & is available on Amazon & I believe AllPondSolutions also stock it.
 

TheWanderingFish

Hi, a previous poster mentioned using praziquantel for camallanus. I know that’s not what you’re dealing with but if you needed a med with prazI you can get a product here in the UK with it, it’s called Fluke solve & is available on Amazon & I believe AllPondSolutions also stock it.

Yes, I haven't noticed any red ish worms coming out of her to hoping its not that

I will look it up on amazon and add it to alist so I have them ready at hand to order when needed

EDIT: Found it, a silver packet, added
 

Ronniethewitch

Hi, a previous poster mentioned using praziquantel for camallanus. I know that’s not what you’re dealing with but if you needed a med with prazI you can get a product here in the UK with it, it’s called Fluke solve & is available on Amazon & I believe AllPondSolutions also stock it.

Are you talking about my post? I learned praziquantel doesn't actually work with callamanus, but it does for other worms...and so used a different med beginning with 'F'. Apologies if the information I gave was inappropriate, I was reminded of the difficulty I had getting help on here with actual products that could be purchased and received in a timely manner - only shared my experience in the hopes of being helpful.
 

Coradee

Hi, it was only that you mentioned prazI I thought I’d let Saeryne know that should they need prazI at some point then it can be got in the UK, it was helpful sorry you learned it didn’t work for your camallanus though
 

Ronniethewitch

Hi, it was only that you mentioned prazI I thought I’d let Saeryne know that should they need prazI at some point then it can be got in the UK, it was helpful sorry you learned it didn’t work for your camallanus though

oh I didn't learn the hard way, but thank you I learned on-line which is how I came across the other. It was a hectic couple of days on this site and amazon and google trying to find the quickest, cheapest solution (I was absolutely skint at the time!) But it got sorted with no deaths after medication. Thankfully, it seems OP has more time and money to get sorted with actual meds for fish! Good luck Saeryne!
 

TheWanderingFish

oh I didn't learn the hard way, but thank you I learned on-line which is how I came across the other. It was a hectic couple of days on this site and amazon and google trying to find the quickest, cheapest solution (I was absolutely skint at the time!) But it got sorted with no deaths after medication. Thankfully, it seems OP has more time and money to get sorted with actual meds for fish! Good luck Saeryne!

Money not really :0 I am unemployed 8 years and only have what I saved to spend

As for time.. I am hoping I caught it early enough, though the meds might not come for another few days so I am hoping the garlic will 'hold things at bay' until then
 

Whitewolf

You might try to find some medicated flakes, but I have heard of aussies getting triple sulfa
 

Ronniethewitch

Saeryne how are you getting on? Has everything been delivered?
 

TheWanderingFish

Hey! Thanks.

Yes the Medication came and I will be doing the third and final dose today. I was going to wait until it had finished to post. Thanks you for asking though. Still feeding garlic covered food every now and then.

It took 4 days for the medication to arrive and she hadn't gotten any better so I went ahead.

The fish wondered what was going on at first, its was like it suddenly started snowing in the aquarium lol. 5 tabs, dissolved in tank water and poured in, once a day for 3 days should do it!

She is spending a bit less time glass surfacing and hangs around the front and seems to want to feed. I am hoping once she is better and puts on weight that she will pair with the male (who atm is chasing her off, hopefully just because she is ill)

You might try to find some medicated flakes, but I have heard of aussies getting triple sulfa

I looked for medicated food, couldnt find any unfortunately.
 

Ronniethewitch

fingers crossed for you - I know how anxious we get over our fishbabies
 

TheWanderingFish

Name change, still I though

After a week or so after the last dosing I will hopefully be putting up some pictures of a health fish :0 Will link when I do!
 

TheWanderingFish

Ok few days later , her she is. She is swimming more and hiding less and is starting to get colour. I even think she has grown!
 

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