Transferring Betta

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I'm new to this Web site but find all your posts very helpful. I have my betta in a small container (1/2 gallon). After reading the info on this site, I'm transferring him to a 5-gallon with a heater and filter. My question is what is the best way to acclimate him to the new water temperature? Also, do I need to cycle the tank? When I purchased him a couple weeks ago, the individual at the aquarium store said just use room temperature tap water and treat it with a conditioner and just put him in it. Is this the same for the tank?
 

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Yes, you need to cycle the tank first before adding him. Acclimating him should be the same as if you had brought him home from the store, IMO. Put him in a large ziplock bag with his current tank water. Float the bag in the new cycled tank for about 15 minutes. Every 10-15 minutes, add about a cup of the new water. After about four additions, gently net him and place him in the new tank.
 

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Good answer except you don't need to add water to the bag as he is already acclimated to the ph and hardness of the water so all you are acclimating him to is the temperature. As far as cycling the tank, I would get some Bio-Spira online if you can to do an instant cycle of the tank or he is going to be waiting for weeks to be in the tank while you do a fishless cycle

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It would fix it so you could add the fish to the tank right after the Bio-Spira (matter of minutes) and he would not have to wait out the cycle process. The small container is plenty big enough and be sure to get the Freshwater kind and SHAKE it good before adding it to the tank.

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I'm glad you're getting a bigger tank! Your Betta will be so happy. Might I ask what is his name? We like to call fishies by their proper names. ;D
 

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I agree with the Bio-Spira. I have used it on 3 tanks with great results. It is expensive but worth every penny. A friend was going to dump her convict, I ordered Bio, added it to the new tank, added the convicts and perfect readings, no prob!
 
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Thanks for all the advice. My betta's name is Swimmie. Not too creative but it was the first thing I thought of when I saw him. I went to the place I bought him which is an aquarium specialty store and pretty reputable. The owner insisted that bettas are fine in small containers and do not need a filter or heater and just changing out the water once a week is enough. I'm hoping that by transferring Swimmie to a bigger container, he'll live a longer and healthier life. Is that a correct assumption? Why would this guy tell me differently?
 

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Because bettas CAN live in a small container without a filter or heater. But its much like you living in a small closet. How happy are you going to be and is your health going to be thriving?
 

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He will be a LOT happier and probably healthier than he would have been. People at stores tell you Bettas can live in bowls because they are a business--they care about making money, not about the fish. A lot more people are going to buy Bettas from them if they think they can live in a small bowl, versus a more expensive tank. And stores don't usually tell you how to keep fish healthy because then you have to buy medications or more fish when they get sick or die. Or...it's quite possible that the people in stores, not really caring about fish, don't know any better and just assume Bettas can be kept in bowls because that's what their friend told them. Either way, it makes me mad. >
 

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the main problem is that while they CAN live in a small container for a short period of time, so can we live in a room of garbage for a while. Our lives would be neither pleasant or probably as long as if we lived in pleasanter surroundings with healthier environments. A person would no more think of having a child and putting them in a bathroom and keeping them in there and expecting them to stay there in cramped quarters day and night and never to be able to move around or play. When you buy a pet and take on the responsiblity of them, it is nearly the same as the responsibility of a child. They cannot take care of themselves the way they could if they were in the wild. Their world is bound by the area you allow them to live in.

Unfiltered water in a small bowl is going to build up the natural by-products of fish life. Ammonia being the main one. Ammonia is very toxic to fish and no matter how many water changes you do or how much maintenance you do it is not as effective as having done the Nitrogen Cycle with a good filter and allowing the bacteria to get rid of the ammonia and keep the level at zero. Then there are the cool water diseases of ich and finrot. They are diseases that the Bettas do seem especially suseptible to. Those great long fins are just begging for a case of finrot if the water is not kept at a good steady temperature of between 78 to 80 degrees.

The thing to remember is that the Betta is in every reality a Tropical Fish. Tropical Fish require special conditions in which to live and thrive. If people put them in these little torture chambers they are buying them for a decoration or a toy, not for a loved family pet. They won't have them the normal lifespan of the Betta unless they are the luckiest people there are.

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Thanks. I am off today to get the tank and accessories. Will keep you posted. Once I was on this site, I started researching moving Swimmie to a bigger tank. I wish pet store owners and especially those who specialize in fish would educate people better. Thankfully, there are venues such as this one that provides correct information.

Just an FYI, I also have a 30-gallon w/ 2 bala sharks, 1 redtail shark, 4 tetras, and a pleco. I rescued these as their original owner was going to flush them. I couldn't live with that so I took the tank with the fish in it. Also just bought a 55-gallon but haven't decided what to put in it yet. Very addictive hobby.
 

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It is addictive, isn't it? ;D I'm so glad you rescued those fish the owner was going to flush. I can't believe anyone would do that! > Sorry if you already know this...but I'm pretty sure everything except the tetras will outgrow the 30 gallon. Some of them might be ok in the 55, but I think some need an even bigger tank...
 
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The previous owner had these fish for about three years. They seem to be doing okay (I'm a first-time fish owner) as far as I can tell. I've only had them for about 3 weeks so I'm trying to learn all that I can so they don't die due to my ignorance. I figure the pleco at the very least will need to be moved to a bigger tank, possibly the bala sharks too. The pleco seems to be a big polluter. I do a 25% water change once a week. I test the water weekly - I test it and I take it to an aquarium store to be tested also and the water is perfect so far. The owner of the store says the tank is big enough but then again, he said a betta is fine in a cup so I question his expertise and his sincerity.

My main task right now is moving my betta to a bigger tank with a heater and filter. Once he's taken care of, I'll shift my focus on the other guys.
 

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If the big tank is cycled then perhaps you can "seed" the bacteria with a piece of the old filter media from the large tank filter. Then you would not need to get the Bio-Spira. I was not aware that you have a bacteria farm in another filter when I gave that advice. You do have a cycled filter in the big tank? You would about have to if your water parameters are that good. I would however invest in the Master Test Kit (most of us use the ones from Aquiarium Pharmaceuticals, Inc. or API) so that you can do your own testing. You never know when the fish start to act a little "wonky" and you just want to be sure about the water quality and what if the store is not open or you cannot get there. Also if this guy doesn't know any more about fish than he seems to I do not know about his reliability on the testing process.

He has not got the vested interest in keeping your fish alive and well. His interest is in selling fish and equipment so take suggestions and advice from the salespeople at the petstore with caution. If they smell a sale they will encourage things that should not happen sometimes.

I hope I have been helpful. Please do keep us informed and do let Swimmie know that he is welcome in our little community and we are very pleased to meet him.

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Any suggestions on what I can put in the 5-gallon tank with Swimmie? Snails, any other fish? Five gallons isn't very big to hold a lot of fish so wasn't sure if a snail or two would be okay.
 

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My 5 gallon has 2 Otos and an Ivory Mystery Snail. It is about the best balanced tank I have and I am planting it fairly heavy as I have Mystery Snails in all my tanks and I am trying to plant them all heavily. The snails have not bothered the plants. Just not more than one snail per tank unless you want to breed snails and they breed fast and will run your little betta out of "tank and home".

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Can you tell me the exact name of the plants you have in your 5-gallon and how many you have? Do you have gravel in the bottom of your tank? I'd like to get live plants. Found a place yesterday that sells them but not sure which kind to get for betta tank. Person is store didn't know either.
 

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I don't like to go with live plants. For one, they take more time then the fishies do. I like silk plants, they look real and they don't tear the scales off the fish. I have a silk plant in with my Skylar and he likes to lay on top of it and star at me while I work.

Oh and another thing. The bigger the tank, the less time you spend on maintanice. (Unless its saltwater, then your gonna spend ALOT of time no matter what size tank.)
 
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Is Skylar in the 5-gallon tank by himself or do you have other fish, snails, etc., in there with him? Also, I currently clean my 30-gallon once a week which includes draining 25% of the water and replacing it, checking filter, etc. I assume this is what I'll need to do with my 5-gallon? Is there something else you do to maintain the tank?
 

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I like doing gardening in my planted tanks. Doesn't take that much time. Once a month or so in the big tank, it takes me about 5 extra minutes to refill my CO2 injector. I just put a few drops of Excel in my smaller planted tanks every other day and some Flourish once a week in all tanks. Doesn't take that much extra time or effort.
 

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kmarie said:
Is Skylar in the 5-gallon tank by himself or do you have other fish, snails, etc., in there with him? Also, I currently clean my 30-gallon once a week which includes draining 25% of the water and replacing it, checking filter, etc. I assume this is what I'll need to do with my 5-gallon? Is there something else you do to maintain the tank?
Right now, he's by himself. I'm gonna get him a mystery snail for some company. I clean him once a week. Check all the ph and stuff everyother day. In my bigger tanks, I check the ph and stuff once a week and only change it if it needs to. Other than that, I change them everyother week. I like to give my little buddies a weekend off.
 
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