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Hey guys, I was wondering if anyone else has a friend or friends who keeps a tank and has kept tank for a nice chunk of their life but doesn't believe in water changes... I have a friend who currently has a 20 gallon that's overstocked, improperly stocked (4 dwarf gouramis, a common plecco and other improperly sized schools), and under filtered. They don't do water changes. Luckily the tank has hardy species. I tested their nitrates for them to try and show him how bad it was. My kit goes up to 100ppm, well the red was darker than that red, almost a brown. He claims he called his buddy up at the Chicago aquarium and his buddy told him 10% changes monthly, if that. Furthermore, my friend who lives with them also has two of her own tanks. Luckily she knows how to take care of the fish properly. Well shes on vacation and I'm tank sitting. Problem is that he is convinced that the recent alage bloom in her tank is due to me preforming water changes and he won't let me into the house to change the water. Her poor angelfish might croak soon. He keeps telling me how activated carbon removes ammonia and this and that blah blah blah. How does one deal with someone like this?! He won't believe the internet, he says that people are brain washed into believing the same things as everyone else and that companies like tetra make test kits to convince you the water in your tanks bad so you buy their detoxifyers. At this point ive consider buying a couple of rummy nose tetras, setting two tanks side by side with the same equipment. Cycling the tanks and then I take care of one and he takes care of the other and we will see who's fish looks better. I don't trust him to not tamper though. How do I help this guy???


 

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While I've not had friends who are like that, the sad reality is that most people who don't properly educate themselves on fishkeeping carry a somewhat similar mentality.

It is very frustrating to me that a lot of people aren't willing to do a little extra work to provide a better home for their fish. Fish aren't different from other pets, their lives aren't worthless and completely disposable.
 

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Yeah I know these kind of friends or people. They don't take the time to research about fish and the type of care. Many people keep fish just to "look" at them and just leave them. Fish are not just to look and keep them as decorations. They need their proper care and their life is in your hands. Some people seem to get surprised when they find out what I do with my fish, such as buy all this equipment, water changes, etc. But I don't think any of my friends keep fish, and if they do they probably have a goldfish on a bowl.


 

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These are probably the same people who keep a dog and don't fulfill the dog's needs and instincts, such as the instinctual need to migrate (walking the dog). They are very stubborn and believe it's their way is the best way. I have several neighbors who I never see walk their dog. One of them even has a weimaraner who is grossly overweight. Back to the original topic, what makes it worse is that some Petcos have a sign that say "25% Monthly Water Changes".
 
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Well those fish in his 20 gallon would be better off if they even bothered to do %25 monthly water changes. He doesn't believe anything but what he wants to. He will search the internet until he finds some obscene article that agrees with him. I think the only way I'm going to get him to understand is if I do an "experiment" where he takes care of one tank and I take care of the other and calculate total fish death


 

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Well, how are you going to have the "control" for the experiment? Also, its enough evidence when other people have fish that are dying from lack of quality care.
 
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Dom90 said:
These are probably the same people who keep a dog and don't fulfill the dog's needs and instincts, such as the instinctual need to migrate (walking the dog). They are very stubborn and believe it's their way is the best way. I have several neighbors who I never see walk their dog. One of them even has a weimaraner who is grossly overweight. Back to the original topic, what makes it worse is that some Petcos have a sign that say "25% Monthly Water Changes".
Its funny that you say that because they have three dogs, none of which they have managed to potty train. I don't walk my dogs to be honest but they aren't over weight and they get to run around in the yard. I just can't do the walks because its so hot in flprida. They make it about a quarter mile before they are panting so hard they just want to lay down


 

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I live in Southern California where its hot and humid.. I just make sure to walk mine at 8 or 9 pm when its cool enough.
 

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You can give people advice but you can't make them take it. It is up to them whether they want to take it or not. I know it's frustrating but it is their decision. Just my opinion.....Alison
 
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Had to endure another 2 hours today of him yelling at me about how wrong I am and generally disregarding everything I say. I mostly kept my mouth shut and waited for him to stop... but he didnt. It took a lot to hold in my frustration. In case youd like to know some of the crazy stuff he's trying to drill into my brain:

test strips are much much more accurate than liquid test kits
to solve brown algae you stop doing water changes (claims it has something to do with protein)
water changes should be 10% monthly if that
all water in florida has salt in it and to get rid of it you have to let water sit for 24hrs before adding it to the tank
Plants give off nitrate and as well as consume it
velvet only exists in super cold climates such as alaska
when you first start a tank don't do a water change for at least a month so the bacteria blooms
1 inch per a gallon is an absolute rule used by all experts
your german ram was "experiencing nitrate poisoning" at 40 ppm because you wanted to see that
The only way to really get rid of algae is to use chemicals
ich lives dormant in all aquariums but doesn't affect fish until they are stressed
if you don't have aeration in your tank your plants will die
snail slime is contributing to your algae
your fish died from "nitrate poisoning" because they were inbred
seaworld and a marine biologist from the Chicago aquarium told me all this, they have degrees versus the internet which fills your head with lies as phonies sit behind a computer screen
carbon removes ammonia so you have to change your filter cartridges monthly
siphoning your gravel removes your good bacteria
brown algae is toxic

is there truth to ANY of this?!

Remember the friend I said I was tank sitting for? Well she gets back tomorrow and he has taken all her water change stuff and hidden it. Her angelfish that she loves to much are going to die because of his selfishness.
If you can find any offical research findings that I might be able to show him please let me know! I'm not doing this because he is going to kill his own tank soon enough. I'm doing this because he is now messing with my best friend's tank (the one I'm sitting) that I know she loves to death and she can't do anything about it because she hasnt turned 18 yet.
 

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I can tell you for a fact that he is not talking to anyone at Shedd Aquarium in Chicago. I have known some of them, and they would never, ever suggest any of the things he is claiming. I seriously doubt that anyone at SeaWorld would, either. Basic chemistry would tell you that leaving water to sit would not get rid of salt, but concentrate it further if it were present. And I wish Velvet only occurred in really cold climates!

This person sounds unhinged. I would advise caution, and keep 911 ready on your phone when you're around him. Seriously.
 

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There is no such thing as "The Chicago Aquarium". I can make up aquarium names too and say I have friends there. At the Sammy von Puffington Aquarium, it was confirmed by Dr. Sponge Bob Square Pants that unicorns are semiaquatic and need a diet of purple cotton candy to survive.


He needs to start naming names about which expert told him this and their credentials. Two can play this game.

P.S. Sounds like a jerk.
 

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He really does sound like a jerk. Definitely not a very good friend if he's yelling at you for hours.
 

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Hello,

Some fish can adapt to very poor water conditions over time. Then when the tank owner does decide to do a water change, they usually change it all at once and then the fish pass due to shock of being in fresh clean water and the owner wonders why(?).

Too, you have to take into consideration the quality of the fishes life. Chance are good the life span will be cut short one way or another without the proper care.

For future references:

https://www.fishlore.com/aquariumfi...p-up-with-water-changes-for-your-fish.118213/

Thanks!

Ken
 

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You should stop fish-sitting his fish, since whatever you tell him, he won't listen to it
If you stop and let him experience what will happen next with the fish, he'll know what he did wrong


 
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Gena said:
There is no such thing as "The Chicago Aquarium". I can make up aquarium names too and say I have friends there. At the Sammy von Puffington Aquarium, it was confirmed by Dr. Sponge Bob Square Pants that unicorns are semiaquatic and need a diet of purple cotton candy to survive.


He needs to start naming names about which expert told him this and their credentials. Two can play this game.

P.S. Sounds like a jerk.
Its the Chicago shed aquarium, I'm going to ask who he talked to. I'm also going to be contacting some experts that he would be foolish to argue with.




He is very stubborn I will say that much but he's also my boss so I have to watch what I say. Ive thought about just letting him kill his fish and realize hes wrong but honestly he's just gonna chalk it up to something else like bad breeding or "old" age. My bestfriend that lives with him (he is her dad) is why I'm trying to fix this because he is sabotaging her personal tanks that she bought and was gifted for her 17th birthday. Its just wrong of him and he needs to be set straight. He won't believe anyone on the internet, won't believe any articles, he won't believe what I tell him from personal experience, I think at this point all he will believe is someone who sends a photo copy of a degree to him.


 

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It's always been called Shedd though, never Chicago Aquarium. I've never heard anyone call is Chicago Aquarium either who wasn't like still in primary school. It's just weird that he calls it The Chicago Aquarium. For someone who cares so much about names, it's strange that he'd get the name wrong on one of the most prestigious institutions related to fish.


Sorry he's your boss. =/
 
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Dom90 said:
Lol really... And the conflict of interest that is brewing.
I only work there 1 day a week and I only just started. It was supposed to be temporary but now he wants me to keep working there. I wish he would fire me lol


 

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