Suggestion: Allowing Members to Delete Their own Threads

Discussion in 'Forum Announcements/Suggestions' started by Mrs.Price, Dec 26, 2012.

  1. Mrs.Price

    Mrs.PriceValued MemberMember

    I've found this is a function that I quite miss on these forums, and I feel it should be the posters prerogative to be able to delete the threads that they post if they do not wish them to remain. I will give an example for when this would be useful. Today I posted a thread regarding stocking my new 75 Gallon, along with my Ryukin, I made the mistake of listing a comet goldfish that I currently had in the tank, but would not be staying. Instead of focusing on my Ryukin and schooling fish community, the conversation turned into one about how big comets grow, and by the time I could correct this mistake the thread had degraded and died. Had I been able to delete the thread myself, I could have made a semi-identical thread with the appropriate information, thankfully, with admin assistance, the thread was able to be deleted and I was able to make a new thread with the appropriate information, but not without causing me and the moderators headache in the process.

    I believe allowing members to delete their own threads would elimination a lot of frustration, not only for the poster, but the moderator. I understand that this forum isn't only about what we as individuals can learn, but what those who come searching for information can learn, but I also feel that some consideration should be given to the poster who makes the thread to be able to delete it, if the information posted, especially if it is their own, is misunderstood, or driven in a direction that isn't intended. I hope this gets genuine consideration, I know that the lack of this feature is frustrating to many fishlore members, and while I do not speak for all of them, I would like to speak for those who do share my feelings on the matter. We are trusted to give good advice, however, we are not trusted to manage the threads that we ourselves create, and I feel this is something that should be considered and modified.

    With that being said, this is a great forum and the best I've found so far, even with the few frustrations I have regarding moderation. I would certainly recommend it to other people, and have. :)
     
  2. Ethan

    EthanWell Known MemberMember

    i am behind this one. swear i am not stalking you price :p
     
  3. pirahnah3

    pirahnah3Fishlore VIPMember

    I disagree, I think that all the information that is posted is worth reading thru, you never know who is going to come looking for some information and it might be information that you already had or didnt need for your particular tank but because a member shared it it might help someone else along the way.

    You can always report your own threads and request that they be deleted but in most cases I beleive that the mods and admins would rather the informatin stay available to the group and be indexable for future research.
     




  4. sirdarksol

    sirdarksolFishlore LegendMember

    I don't think this is such a good idea. Over the years, the majority of times a member has wanted a thread deleted was because they didn't like the advice they were given.

    Further, this creates a nightmare when a member decides to throw a tantrum and leave, and they delete all threads that they have started.

    For the most part, we don't even want members closing threads, let alone deleting them. The threads aren't just for the original poster, but for others who may come along with a similar question. Therefore, we don't want threads closed or deleted just because the original poster is done with them. Someone else may come along and learn from these threads as well.
     




  5. Butterfly

    ButterflyModeratorModerator Member

    Many times those threads that the original poster would delete have information in them that an other member would find beneficial. This would keep members from asking some of the same questions over and over. It also keeps members from deleting threads just because they don't like the advice their getting even if it's good advice/information.
    there are many things the Mods think about before they delete posts/ threads.
    carol
     
    Last edited: Dec 26, 2012
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    Mrs.Price

    Mrs.PriceValued MemberMember

    Taking that into consideration, you also have to consider how many individuals use this website, even if one topic is deleted, the same information will be given in multiple topics, I see information repeated all over the forum in a variety of threads, because of this, I don't believe that giving posters the ability to delete their own topics would be a problem.

    While I agree that's annoying, I still believe that the same information is available in other topics throughout the forum, rendering this concern less concerning.
     
  7. beginner

    beginnerValued MemberMember

    I dnt like this post, wish I could delete it;)
     
  8. Ethan

    EthanWell Known MemberMember

    you can :D
     
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    Mrs.Price

    Mrs.PriceValued MemberMember

    Ah, but that's not the point, you didn't create this thread. ;) Cheeky cheeky
     
  10. ryanr

    ryanrModeratorModerator Member

    Not necessarily a bad idea, but deleting threads does have some flow on effects. Namely:
    - it reduces members' post counts, sounds trivial, but consider a long thread that gets deleted, and a member falls below 50 posts, they are no longer eligible for Buy/Sell/Trade/Free activities that they may already be involved in.
    - Members un-necessarily deleting threads that contain good information

    My suggestion is:
    - If your thread is un-answered, simply EDIT the original post
    - If your thread has been answered, EDIT the OP, and post a follow-up reply stating the new conditions
    - If you are dead certain you don't want further replies, unsubscribe from the thread, and let others continue to learn
    - If you really, really, really want the thread deleted, ask a moderator.

    Deleting information causes un-necessary loads on servers and search engines alike, and to be honest, isn't necessary. Irrespective of the topic, the information in the thread may be beneficial to someone else down the track.


    EDIT: That said, let's wait and see what Mike thinks.
     
  11. sirdarksol

    sirdarksolFishlore LegendMember

    And yet, it has happened that we've lost some very important information when members left the forum in a tizzy. The information was posted in a member's blog by another member. We're talking a comprehensive betta breeding guide that was just gone. Not all threads are duplicated. There are plenty of unique ones. Further, there are threads that are the standard go-to for certain topics. While there may be tons of threads on the topic, much of the information can be condensed to "check out <this thread> on the topic."

    Conversely, it's really very easy to deal with things if a thread has gone off topic. Most of the time, if a member says "okay, but what about my original question," things will move back on topic. And if they don't, the mods can very easily push things in the proper direction.
     
  12. beginner

    beginnerValued MemberMember

    oh I totally get the point. I agree about deleting once the topic in a thread is beyond the scope of the header it is under, how would someone ever know to look there for all that good information.

    well there's good points on both sides
    :)
     
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    Mrs.Price

    Mrs.PriceValued MemberMember

    All VERY good points, better than most have been able to give as to why being able to delete your own posts isn't an allowed function.

    To remedy the concern of lowering a members post count, lets say if someone wanted to delete all of their posts as sirdarksol suggestion, maybe create a time limit on a post for when it can be deleted, as in, it can only be deleted in the first few hours or so, or something similar, a day, and after that time limit has run out, the post can no longer be deleted, however, this still gives the poster the option to delete the thread in a given amount of time, and I feel it only takes a few posts for a poster to realize that what they've posted needs to be deleted, corrected, and re-posted. This would eliminate the concern of people deleting a very involved topic, or all of their topics.
     
  14. ryanr

    ryanrModeratorModerator Member

    That's where we come in ;)
    If necessary, mod's will split a thread if there are two distinct topics worthy of separate threads.
     
  15. Matt B

    Matt BWell Known MemberMember

    Seems pretty well covered but I'll butt in too. ;)

    I agree, the only reasons I see for deleting a thread are 1) A rewording/editing issue which mods can handle for you or 2), The op didn't get what they were after information wise or was proven wrong/silly/incompetent or anything to that effect.
     
  16. ryanr

    ryanrModeratorModerator Member

    In the end, this is Mike's decision to make, though my gut feel is that it won't be allowed.

    Let's wait and see what Mike thinks.

    Oh, and I forgot to mention the repuation system, I haven't checked, but deleting may remove reputation as well :;dk
     
  17. Meeps83

    Meeps83Well Known MemberMember

    I understand why you'd want to delete a post or a thread. In an imperfect electronic word, the slightest mistake can change the questions or answers in any given thread. That being said, rather than completely deleting I'd prefer editing the original post and commenting the changes. That's just me and I understand that not everyone feels the same way. I do think it is a good suggestion because it brought up the reasons why posters cannot delete their posts. Case in point, if this thread were deleted that information would be gone as well :)
     
  18. OP
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    Mrs.Price

    Mrs.PriceValued MemberMember

    I still think it would be a good idea to allow a poster to delete their post for the first few hours after it's posted, but not after the time deadline runs out. This will solve many of the issues stated.. I've run a forum board for the last 4 years, and there are ways around a lot of the concerns the moderators have, while still allowing the forum member some freedom to practice their own discretion.
     
  19. JoannaBWell Known MemberMember

    This thread out of some reason reminds me of a quote from my favorite movie When Harry Met Sally:

    Harry: ... what do you want me to do about it? I take it back, okay, I take it back.
    Sally: You can't take it back.
    Harry: Why not?
    Sally: It's *already* out there!
    Harry: Oh geez, what are we supposed to do? Call the cops. It's already out there.
    Sally: *Just* let it lie, *okay*?
    Harry: Great! Let it lie, that's my policy.
     
  20. sirdarksol

    sirdarksolFishlore LegendMember

    And, as has been pointed out here, there are ways around your concerns that allow members to practice their own discretion without creating huge headaches for the moderators and admin.
    While it's awesome that you've run a forum that's maintained for that long, it's really irrelevant. What works at your forum may not work here, and what works here may not work at your forum. In fact, given the nature of the topics, the two forums are going to start out with basic differences in the way communication happens. This site has been running for quite awhile now (when I joined six years ago, it was already close to the top of the search engines when you looked for aquarium forums), and Mike has been building it, and its rules, for that entire time. It is a fluid process, and he takes member suggestions (which is why this section is here), but, like Ryan, I don't see him making a change that has very little payoff but potentially is a huge detriment to the forum.
     




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