something is causing my fish to be ill

guppygrl

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my water tested fine... no ammonia, no nitrites and .10 nitrates. I do have some live plants but noticed a couple fish not doing well.

I don't see the ich dots although one fish has one white dot on her lip.

I just did a good water change this afternoon and not sure if I should get medication.

they have their dorsal fin down most of the time. do I use stresszyme and meds ? what can I do to prevent them dying?

thanks.

pic I just took
 

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fishynoob

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Hiya I have a few questions that may make it easier to diagnose.
Are they displaying any other symptoms?
What genders are these I can't make it out?
What does the white dot look like is it fluffy a swollen lump or a discolouration?
 
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guppygrl

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they are both pregnant female guppies. dorsal fin down and they are hiding in plants... two of them.. the other is hanging out near the top of the tank. no fluffy stuff... just not swimming around unless the male is harassing them.
 

fishynoob

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Some fish do get stressed when near to giving birth also when they are bloated have they been overfed recently? My fish like to hide and go behind my filter to give birth which is super annoying!
 
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guppygrl

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I left them for a few hours and now they are all looking bad. one guppy seems to have a patch of white on her side??

I added stresscoat and some parasite medication. turned the temp up from 78 to 80.

hoping they don't die.

here is the white patch.
 

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hobo

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Sorry to here that
Changing the water is great personally I don’t use meds so no advice for you on that. I just do more frequent water changes. Cured some fin rot and once one barb had Popeye but all is good now. Hope all goes well
 
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guppygrl

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thanks... I did a ten percent change this morning and ended up doing a fifty percent this afternoon when I noticed the females having problems. could be a parasite of some kind.

the water changes didn't seem to help.
 

hobo

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guppygrl said:
thanks... I did a ten percent change this morning and ended up doing a fifty percent this afternoon when I noticed the females having problems. could be a parasite of some kind.

the water changes didn't seem to help.
Wow
Clean water will help hopefully she will be OK
 
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guppygrl

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hoping the three girls will be ok too. they are such pretty guppies and very large.. 2 inches. hoping they at least have their fry to help eliminate their stress.
 
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guppygrl

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so far they haven't died. going to go check my levels and make sure they are good.

bought a plant when I went to the lfs... can't have too many plants.

do parasites cause that white marks on my guppy or could it be caused by her flashing on something?
 
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guppygrl

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water was still good.. no ammonia.. no nitrites and .10 or .20 nitrates... hard to tell on the apI color chart.

I noticed a couple of them flashing on the plastic air line.

lights out now so hope they recover over night. hate finding a dead fish in the morning.
 

AlanGreene

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A once a day water change is a good idea, I have never used meds but from what I hear from members on here, the best thing you can do is give your fish clean stress free water for them to recover in, best of luck and I'm sure the fish geniuses on here will have more advice for you
 
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guppygrl

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doesn't the water changes cause a bit of stress? how much would be a good amount to change every day?

this is stressing me out. hard to see a fish struggling... just want to do what's best.

thank you for replying and the advice about water changes.
 

hobo

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Do another water change tomorrow try another 50%
 
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guppygrl

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ok I'll do that tomorrow night. is stresscoat ok to add in the morning to help them before I can do the water change?
 

JDcichlidlover

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Didn't you just add stresscoat? If so make sure you don't overdose them. Is the white patch fluffy? I can't quite make it out. If it is it might be a fungus.
 

Eienna

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If you make sure to match the temperature, 50% daily should not be a stress issue. Just add the new water gently so you don't create a major current.
 
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guppygrl

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the white patch isn't fluffy. looks like dry flakey skin... it spread around the top. they survived the night. still not looking good. maybe a fungal infection?

I'll do a water change tonight.
 

RogueAgent94

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Hi,

Sorry your fish aren't feeling well. That looks kind of like skin/flesh rot. Very similar to fin rot. I suggest you lower your temperature and continue with daily waterchanges. A 50% a day would be good. Personally, I don't use Stress Coat when a fish is sick with a fungus or something. I use it when they are injured or have ripped fins. But when adding it you should add enough for your total tank volume. Then when you do a waterchange you should only add enough to cover the amount of gallons/liters you changed.
 

fishynoob

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it could be saddleback columnaris? Have you seen any flashing or rapid gill movement? Do you have carbon in your filter? Does it seem to be getting worse after raising the temp?
 

Eienna

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Rogue is usually right from what I've seen. I'd take his advice, personally.

If it is rot as mentioned, a mild antiseptic like Seachem Stress Guard may prove helpful. Note that this is NOT stress coat. Different product.
 

Eienna

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She said it's not fluffy. It's not columnaris.
 

fishynoob

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hmmm true I was going of the flakey skin description and as this may have just developed I was wondering if it could just be early stages so it didnt look fluffy yet but I don't know.
 

Eienna

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Columnaris usually kills much faster than that, too - within 48 hours of the appearance of symptoms.
 

fishynoob

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ahh I didn't know that it was that fast.
 
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Lucy

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Eienna said:
Columnaris usually kills much faster than that, too - within 48 hours of the appearance of symptoms.
Depends on the strain.
Some are quicker than others.
 
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guppygrl

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how low should I lower the temp? I'll do a water change tonight.

it seemed the higher temps didn't help... I'm new at fish disease... thought it could be Ich or a parasite so that's why I raised the temp slowly up to 80. Normally it's at 78.

I hope they aren't dead when I get home. They are heavy with fry and would love to see them but my priority is trying to save the fish.

Why do fish flash like that? Itchy body?

Thanks for so many replies and advice.
 

Eienna

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76 is probably best. Lower it slowly, only about a degree or two per hour. It's not ich. If it is a heat-responsive parasite you'd need a good 86-90 degrees, but I don't think that's what it is.

Yeah, flashing is...think Baloo from Jungle Book. Scratch that back, baby! XD They don't have fingernails.
 

RogueAgent94

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I would lower the temp very slowly. Even slower than Eienna suggested just because the fish are not doing so great. Usually raising temp you can raise it faster but lowering can be bad if you do it too fast. I lower one degree on the heater late in the evening and then the next morning do it again. 74-76 is a good place to keep it when getting rid of fungus.

When fish flash they scrape themselves against rocks, wood, plants etc. It's a very fast, almost erratic movement.
 

ILikeFishies

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regarding the flakey looking skin. I once had a black balloon molly that showed the exact same symptoms just that she was pretty active and didnt hide much. Not to scare you or upset you, but I tried lots of medication too but after about a week she passed on . but the medication didnt seem to help at all..the white patch just kept spreading and getting bigger.

BUT on the bright side, recently I had a swordtail that had a very light patch on her head and after some medication and 100% water changes everyday, she's now up and active again.

So I think you shouldnt use too much medication, just do lots of water changes. Hope your guppys get better! all the best
 
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guppygrl

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My tank isn't that established so I wouldn't do a complete 100 % water change but will continue to do water changes. It would destroy my cycle that was long awaited.

Thanks for the well wishes tho... I will see how they are doing when I get home.

I'll ease up on medication and turn down the heat.
 

ILikeFishies

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do keep us updated
 

carolo43

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I hope this doesn't end up being Columnaris. That white area on that fish is a bit worrisome. Columnaris travels fish to fish and is a gram negative bacteria. I had fish once with it and treated with Maracyn 2.
 

fishynoob

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sorry to barge my way in again.... what does gram negative mean?
 
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guppygrl

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From what I see online via google s... it looks a little like that.

Is that medication ok for cories... I'd hate to kill them with medication.
 
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guppygrl

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Gram negative is a bacteria I believe.
 

RogueAgent94

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Corries should be fine with medication.
 
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guppygrl

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Sadly one more has passed away.

The remaining guppies are looking poorly... both ate tho.

Going to set up a hospital tank tonight and try the medication suggested. Based on photos and symptoms... I think it's columnaris.. not sure of spelling.

Wish me luck that I can save them both.

I was planning on getting three 10 gallon tanks tomorrow night for this very emergency but looks like I need something sooner. This disease sucks and kills quickly.
 

Tigress Hill

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I'm sorry Hopefully the culprit reveals itself soon!
 

hobo

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So sad to here that your guppy died hope the other two will be OK
 
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