so angry with myself!!!!please help

Discussion in 'Freshwater Beginners' started by queenbobby, Apr 18, 2010.

  1. queenbobbyValued MemberMember

    :i've been stupid and now im in desparate need of help...
    i've asked so may people and every one is giving me different advice!!!!
    ok folks i've messed up big time
    changed my set up and external filters were off for 24 hrs.... cycled my other tank of malawis with tetra safe start and had no problems so sent hubby out to get some fish and tetra safe start...
    had added water to tank a day ago, heaters on, chlrne remover in...etc filter on for 1 day..
    husband made 2 errors...
    bought nutrafin cycle instead and gets worse.....and he bought 3 large clown loaches (10cm each)
    called the shop wouldnt take them back they werent out of the bag yet!!!
    i didnt know whether to add the cycle or not so after many frantic phone calls i added the right dose 1/2 bottle tank is 350litres and acclimatised them.

    its been 3 days i've asked everyone and they said to keep eye on water and wait ...well i dont wanna lose any fish

    took my water for testing at a diff fish store and they said it was fine it is day3 its not really gonna be high... after dong copius amounts of reading the net i have added about 35% of filter media from another tank i have to the filter ...
    i didnt do this in the first place as the front tank is peacocks and haps and the water is completely different

    please please please fis

  2. MeenuFishlore VIPMember

    I would do a few large water changes and get some TSS asap. The LFS won't even let you just bring the clown loaches back as a donation?

  3. jetajockeyFishlore VIPMember

    Can u use some filter media from the other tank?

  4. queenbobbyValued MemberMember

    hi i have added 35% filter media cermaic balls and some pads from another tank hopefully that should have helped do you think?
  5. midthoughtWell Known MemberMember

    Take a deep breath! :;hug2 I think you're already doing all you can, no need to beat yourself up about it. I'd side with the others you've asked, you just need to keep an eye on your parameters and react accordingly. If you see spikes in ammonia or nitrite, do water changes and treat with Prime or a similar water conditioner. It sounds like you don't have a testing kit in your home. It's a good investment and it would probably give you peace of mind to be able to test when you're worried at random times, rather than have to take your water to the store each time.

    Also, when you say that the other tank has "completely different" water, did you mean in terms of hardness, temp, etc.? Because all you're looking to grow are the bacteria, so I believe you could use the filter media from the older tank to seed the new one. Of course, TSS can't hurt either.

    Good luck with your tank.
  6. jetajockeyFishlore VIPMember

    using the cycled media should help significantly. Just keep an eye on the water, suggest getting a liquid test kit if you don't have one (a few trips to the pet store and/or strip test kits make up the difference in cost)
    Last edited: Apr 18, 2010
  7. queenbobbyValued MemberMember

    thanks for being sooo understanding your right i am really worried about it all!!
    i love my clowns and i dint wann lose them at all... so i definatle wont harm the cycle at present by adding tetrasafe start#?
    thanks so much for the rely
    what i meant baout different water wa sthat the other tank is a malawi tank with higher ph and different hard water.
  8. midthoughtWell Known MemberMember

    You can add TSS after the tank has fish in it. It's just a population of bacteria that you're introducing. I would probably stop dosing with Cycle though. Just keep a eye out on the parameters as always.

    Different water parameters won't matter, by the way, when using filter media to seed the new tank. You just want the bacteria, and they should survive the trip from one tank to another.
  9. MeenuFishlore VIPMember

  10. queenbobbyValued MemberMember

    oh you really have made me feel better i have just finished a 15hr shift and can sleep in peace!!!
    thanks so much
    just to mention i only added 30-35% filter media across ie large handful ceramic rings and 2 pads that should be enough?
    so it really doesnt matter if i dont get the massive bottle of tss which is about £25 as i need enough for 350l you see
  11. queenbobbyValued MemberMember

    ok so how much water shall i change prior to adding tss?
    why do i need to remove the cycle i thought you couldnt overdose on the live bacteria?
  12. jetajockeyFishlore VIPMember

    the basic idea is that the Cycle (brand) bacteria is not the same type as the kind that grows naturally in the tank, so if its in your system then it is competing for the ammonia and nitrites, so basically starving the beneficial bacteria that you are trying to grow.
  13. queenbobbyValued MemberMember

    oh god why on earth did i use that!!!
  14. queenbobbyValued MemberMember

    so how does it claim to cycle your tank?
  15. midthoughtWell Known MemberMember

    Sleep in peace is one way to put it; after 15 hours of work I would just *pass out*. :)

    That sounds like a good amount of to me but it's gonna also depend on the bioload of the old tank, not just amount of media you move over. Not to add more to your plate but you may even want to do some testing on your old tank just to make sure the parameters there are still good.
  16. midthoughtWell Known MemberMember

    The idea is that the bacteria eat the appropriate bad chemicals but don't survive in water for that long, hence they need to be replaced.

    My personal experience with Cycle the one time I used it doesn't support this, as my tank cycled quickly and smoothly and never crashed when I quit using it. But the point is that you get different experiences with it, and it's just a hit or miss product.
  17. jetajockeyFishlore VIPMember

    well the idea behind cycle (brand) and many other boosters is that the bacteria in them will supplement the nitrification process until your nitrifiers catch up and take over. This obviously has flaws and is unreliable which is why many of these products require repeat doses.

    I tried cycle on one of my tanks in the past, and ended up taking over 10 weeks of water changes (and long after the cycle bottle was empty) to start seeing any nitrification.

    *edit* midthought you are too fast for me!! ;D
  18. jdhefModeratorModerator Member

    "Cycle" contains bacteria that will convert ammonia to nitrites and nitrites to nitrates. The only problem is that the bacteria is a land based form of the bacteria and only lives for about a week or so in the water. Once that bacteria drawns, your tank is no longer able to process ammonia and nitrites. So that is why the instructions on the bottle of cycle tell you to add more very week. You would need to replace the bacteria that died with new bacteria.

    The problem with using "Cycle" along with SafeStart is that the bacteria from the "Cycle" eats all of the ammonia and nitrites out compeating the bacteria in the SafeStart. So the bacteria in the SafeStart dies. (The bacteria in the "Cycle" may also starve out the bacteria that you added with the established media).

    So what I would do is get a good test kit and test your water daily. Once you start getting a rise in ammonia, it will be an indication that the "Cycle" bacteria is dying off. I would do a few days of water changes using Prime just to be sure all the "Cycle" bacteria is dead. Then do a large water change using Tetra's Aqua Safe water conditioner (don't use Prime because it will cause the SafeStart to fail). Then add the bottle of SafeStart.

    Then wait 7 days before testing your water again. If you have zero ammonia and nitrites your cycled. If not wait three more days and test again. If you get zeros your cycled, if not the SafeStart failed.

    Also after adding the SafeStart don't do any water changes or add any Prime or anything for the 7-10 days.

    Good luck!
  19. queenbobbyValued MemberMember

    Ok folks you know so much!!!
    thanks for all your advice

    so 1) i need to sleep
    2) get water tested and buy some api liquid test kits
    3) post results of water testing here
    sound right so far?

    if by a miracle i could ask the lfs to store the fish for me until its cycled would that help?
    i know they could nt keep them for more than 2 weeks and whats to say that there water is better than mine????
  20. queenbobbyValued MemberMember

    thanks so much wish i would have come on here sooner!!!

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