Shredded Fins On Goldy (jupe)

2211Nighthawk
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The Ok, NOW I’m gonna start eyeing the panic button. So turns out, the danios I had with Jupiter MAULED his fins. I thought it was rot until I saw a big female picking at his fins, then guarding her snack from the others. Long story short, they’re gone and Jupe is getting worse. His pectoral fin I’m worried about the most.

Problems are the following.
-No QT cause I don’t have any more filters or the SPACE for a tub to QT a 6-7” goldfish.
-Lots of scaless fish: loaches and catfish.

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david1978
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Yea with the scaleless fish it really limits your options. Since its a goldfish I probably would try some salt baths since you can't actually add it to the tank.
 
Gypsy13
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I echo the salt baths. Poor baby.
 
2211Nighthawk
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How much salt and for how long?
 
2211Nighthawk
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Hitting the panic button. Salt isn’t gonna cut it now and I’ll be getting a tub I can QT him in tomorrow. Heading to the city so time for some heavy meds. I’ll move one of my 405 canisters over from the 65 with him. (Big white spot on his back is reflection) but yes his face is that pink. No it’s not normal.

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goldface
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That looks really bad. I’m starting to think the Danios nipping at his fins are an effect rather the cause. I know you had him for a long time. Hopefully he recovers soon.

I’m assuming you already have a clue of what it might be? I’m thinking septicemia.
 
2211Nighthawk
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That looks really bad. I’m starting to think the Danios nipping at his fins are an effect rather the cause. I know you had him for a long time. Hopefully he recovers soon.
Any idea what to do? He’s 10 this spring so I’m willing to drop *way* too much money on him. I’m wondering about the danios just having a snack after his fins started to rot as well. Just did a big water change today.
 
goldface
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Any idea what to do? He’s 10 this spring so I’m willing to drop *way* too much money on him. I’m wondering about the danios just having a snack after his fins started to rot as well. Just did a big water change today.
Sorry, I just edited my post. I’m reluctant to give medical advice, but I’d look into septicemia. However, I’m assuming your water parameters are fine, so I’m at a loss.
 
2211Nighthawk
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Sorry, I just edited my post. I’m reluctant to give medical advice, but I’d look into septicemia. However, I’m assuming your water parameters are fine, so I’m at a loss.
I’m wondering if that is what I’m dealing with now.
 
goldface
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I’m wondering if that is what I’m dealing with now.
Me too, but I’m no expert. From what little I know, it does appear that way. Gypsy13 may be of help, as I recall she is a long-time goldfish keeper and so could have some insight. The salt bath sounds like you were on the right idea, though.
 
tunafax
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To chip in, there are 2 things that cause streaks in goldies, septicemia and extreme stress.

It looks very bad so I am inclined to think that they didn't just eat his fins, but they also probably beat him up. Poor baby.


Salt is for before the panic button. Since the panic button was hit, I would skip the salt and go for M Blue first and antibiotics if that doesn't help. Prepare for one very blue carp because M Blue will stain every bit of damage on the big boi, and he is in a very rough shape.
 
2211Nighthawk
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To chip in, there are 2 things that cause streaks in goldies, septicemia and extreme stress.

It looks very bad so I am inclined to think that they didn't just eat his fins, but they also probably beat him up. Poor baby.


Salt is for before the panic button. Since the panic button was hit, I would skip the salt and go for M Blue first and antibiotics if that doesn't help. Prepare for one very blue carp because M Blue will stain every bit of damage on the big boi, and he is in a very rough shape.
The biggest thing is that I just think he’s too bad for salt. I don’t know what happens because it happened (all of this) very fast. Considering all the mistakes he’s survived I’d hate myself if he died cause of freaking fin rot gone bad. I’ll look for M blue. Can I have that in a separate QT tank or is it a bath. (Buying a tub to separate him anyways so that I don’t hurt my scaleless fish) what’s the full name again?

Oh! Got the go ahead to jack up the water bill from mom. She loves Jupe *almost* as much as me.
 
Rtessy
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I hope Jupe makes it, my only contribution is M blue is methylene blue. Good luck!
 
Gypsy13
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Me too, but I’m no expert. From what little I know, it does appear that way. Gypsy13 may be of help, as I recall she is a long-time goldfish keeper and so could have some insight. The salt bath sounds like you were on the right idea, though.

I’m so sorry you’re going through this. The approach that’s always worked for me is increasing the salinity of the water and adding methylene blue. I can’t see your fish so I’m being extra cautious here. I have had to use oxytetracycline. If it looks septic, Time is of the essence.

The biggest thing is that I just think he’s too bad for salt. I don’t know what happens because it happened (all of this) very fast. Considering all the mistakes he’s survived I’d hate myself if he died cause of freaking fin rot gone bad. I’ll look for M blue. Can I have that in a separate QT tank or is it a bath. (Buying a tub to separate him anyways so that I don’t hurt my scaleless fish) what’s the full name again?

Oh! Got the go ahead to jack up the water bill from mom. She loves Jupe *almost* as much as me.

The increased salinity will help with gill function. Not as much as a salt bath if you’re getting a container for him.

Any idea what to do? He’s 10 this spring so I’m willing to drop *way* too much money on him. I’m wondering about the danios just having a snack after his fins started to rot as well. Just did a big water change today.

Danios aren’t going to bother a ten year old healthy goldfish IMO. But, if the fish started having issues whether fin rot or too much stress, the extra blood flow to the fins and tail plus the weakening of the gf would be like an open buffet to them. I’ve got danios and sarassa comets in my pond. Hubby lets me know immediately if the danios are hanging around one of the goldies.
 
2211Nighthawk
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Gypsy13 YES pet store has M blue!!

For a bath, how much do I use? The bottle said 1teaspoon/tablespoon per 10g. (Haven’t bought it yet) thinking of getting 2 tubs, one as a QT and one for the baths. We are gonna DRUG this guy up!
 
Gypsy13
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Gypsy13 YES pet store has M blue!!

For a bath, how much do I use? The bottle said 1teaspoon/tablespoon per 10g. (Haven’t bought it yet) thinking of getting 2 tubs, one as a QT and one for the baths. We are gonna DRUG this guy up!

For the bath use one teaspoon per gallon. Premix salt in a cup of warm water till dissolved then add to bath water. Don’t leave him in there for more than three minutes and watch how he reacts when you put him in. If he’s too sensitive you may have to dilute with more water. Don’t put any other meds in the bath.

Put the mblue in his qt tank after you’ve done a few baths. Hopefully you won’t need to turn him blue but if you do, get pics.
 
2211Nighthawk
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Put the mblue in his qt tank after you’ve done a few baths. Hopefully you won’t need to turn him blue but if you do, get pics.
That’s gonna fry my BB isn’t it? Salt baths first then M blue in the QT tank?
 
Gypsy13
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That’s gonna fry my BB isn’t it? Salt baths first then M blue in the QT tank?

That’s what I’m saying. Badly probably. Don’t do mblue while you’re doing the salt baths. Only if the salt doesn’t seem to be helping. Give the salt baths at least 24 hours before you give up on it. If you notice any improvement, keep it up. Don’t fry you baby. And remember one to three minutes in the bath.

Also, you can put a little salt in the qt tank to help him between baths. If it’s a ten gallon just use a dissolved teaspoon.
 
2211Nighthawk
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Also, you can put a little salt in the qt tank to help him between baths. If it’s a ten gallon just use a dissolved teaspoon.
How often should I do the salt baths?
 
Gypsy13
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How often should I do the salt baths?

Can you do one like now then before you go to bed?
 
2211Nighthawk
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Can you do one like now then before you go to bed?
I’ll get up every theee hours if I have too. I can do plenty of them before bed.
 
Gypsy13
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I’ll get up every theee hours if I have too. I can do plenty of them before bed.

Don’t overdo the salt baths. Goldies can become sensitive. Did you do one yet? Then tonight. And tell me how he’s doing?
 
2211Nighthawk
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Don’t overdo the salt baths. Goldies can become sensitive. Did you do one yet? Then tonight. And tell me how he’s doing?
Just did one now. He did good. NOT happy when I caught him (had to buy a freaking mesh bag cause the nets are not big enough). QT is about 10 gallon but I have the fluval 305 running on it. His fins are *very* red and it’s starting to spread to his body. Is there anyway I can get you pictures?
 
Gypsy13
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Take pics, I’ll have hubby look at them.

Did you get any antibiotics just in case? Besides the mblue? Kanamycin?

Ok. Just went back to beginning of post. If you don’t have antibiotics use the mblue. In his qt tank. If this is spreading to his body, you need to act quick. We got off track a bit discussing the salt baths. Put the mblue in his qt now. Then tell me what kind of antibiotics you picked up.

I can’t believe I missed part of your posts. scarface I need your eyes here. OP is going to post new pics. Then add mblue to qt.

Are you there?
 
goldface
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Me? Yup. I’ll help out if I can.
 
Gypsy13
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Me? Yup. I’ll help out if I can.

I’ve not heard from 2211Nighthawk no pics yet? Thank you for being here. I’m afraid SirI and I got sidetracked on the salt bath. It takes so long to hear.
 
goldface
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I’ve not heard from 2211Nighthawk no pics yet? Thank you for being here. I’m afraid SirI and I got sidetracked on the salt bath. It takes so long to hear.
No, not yet, but I'm sure she'll be back, when she has the time.
 
2211Nighthawk
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I’m here I’m here. Sorry. Combat practice.
 
Gypsy13
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I’m here I’m here. Sorry. Combat practice.

Understand. How is he?
 
2211Nighthawk
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Meh. Annoyed I turned the light on. All o have right now is the M blue but I can get more tomorrow.
 
Gypsy13
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Meh. Annoyed I turned the light on. All o have right now is the M blue but I can get more tomorrow.

Ok. Attitude is always a good thing in a goldy! Have you added the mblue yet? Has his red spread?
 
2211Nighthawk
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Ok. Attitude is always a good thing in a goldy! Have you added the mblue yet? Has his red spread?
No and no.

Kay, if this is going into the QT tank, how am I not gonna loose my cycle or do I just keep on top with water changes.
 
Gypsy13
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Kay, if this is going into the QT tank, how am I not gonna loose my cycle or do I just keep on top with water changes.

So the salt bath helped? Has the red decreased any?
 
2211Nighthawk
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No.

M blue is in. Holy cow that stuff *is* blue.

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Gypsy13
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I’ve got someone standing by to look at pics. And yes, just keep up water changes. You need to anyway. Your cycle should be ok. Pretty right? Helps get oxygen to gills and tissues.
 
JLeeM
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Hoping for the best for Jupiter! I always enjoy reading your threads about him.
 
2211Nighthawk
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I’ve got someone standing by to look at pics. And yes, just keep up water changes. You need to anyway. Your cycle should be ok. Pretty right? Helps get oxygen to gills and tissues.
All I know is that if my cat’s nose is blue he was in the craft room again... he’s currently drinking out of the salt water bath I didn’t have time to clean up.

Added an air stone.

Hoping for the best for Jupiter! I always enjoy reading your threads about him.
here hoping. My tank looks so empty without him.
 
Gypsy13
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All I know is that if my cat’s nose is blue he was in the craft room again... he’s currently drinking out of the salt water bath I didn’t have time to clean up.

Added an air stone.

Cats love salt. Tomorrow get antibiotics. Oxytetracycline if possible.
 
2211Nighthawk
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Cats love salt. Tomorrow get antibiotics. Oxytetracycline if possible.
Can I get that at any drug store or is it fish specific?
 
Gypsy13
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Do you have a pic of Jupe before he turns blue?

Can I get that at any drug store or is it fish specific?

Should be able to get it at a fish store. If not Kanamycin or ampicillin should be available.
 

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