Should I just give up on fish???

dancerhas

I'm growing weary...

Our 3 platies are spending a fair amount of time relaxing on the bottom of the tank. They're not completely inactive, just not really busy.

No symptoms. Fins are half laid down when resting, and spread out when swimming. No spots. Feces are normal looking, not clear or slimy.

I just saw our High-Fin Platy flash a rock one time.

Ammonia: 0
Nitrite: 0
Nitrate: Low...exact level is unknown (strips don't register around 0-20 PPM, stupid junk)

We did a 30% water change yesterday, and vacuumed the gravel thoroughly. We do this weekly.

I just rinsed out the filter, and changed the carbon.

How am I supposed to treat my poor fish if this is all I have to go on???

An asymptomatic disease or just paranoia?
 

Steen16

Are they pregnant?
 

dancerhas

We think they may be...could it just be pregnancy hormones?? haha

Our male is the most active.
 

Steen16

LOL

I'm not sure but it would also be helpful if you got yourself an apI liquid test kit, the strips are inacurate. You could have ammonia poisoning but the strips just aren't picking it up.
 

dancerhas

I've been meaning to get one for months now, but it seems that our local Petsmart has stopped selling it.

I thought ammonia poisoning, but I wonder, how can I have ammonia poisoning in a regularly cleaned, cycled tank??
 

Steen16

Is your tank over stocked?
Does your tap water have ammonia?
 

Lucy

I agree with steen, a test with a liquid kit would give you a more accurate reading.
 

dancerhas

No, only 3 platies, 3 danios, and our two small CAE's (3 and 4 inches) in 29 gallons

It's never tested positive for ammonia. We have well water...I'm not sure if that means anything except no chlorine.

We seem to have had better luck with betta's, so maybe it is ammonia poisoning. I might just have to get a Liquid Ammonia test kit (they did have those last time I checked, just not the master kit) We've been using an ammonia "meter".

So if my tap has ammonia...then what? Shouldn't the bacteria in my filter take care of that?
 

Steen16

Get prime its a water conditioner that detoxifys ammonia, but keeps it still edible for your bacteria.
 

dancerhas

How long would it take the bacteria to remove the Ammonia? Seeing as how prime only detoxifies it for 24 hours.
 

Steen16

How long would it take the bacteria to remove the Ammonia? Seeing as how prime only detoxifies it for 24 hours.

Probly long enuf.

But you would have to ask some one else.
 

Lucy

Jumping the gun here as to whether or not there's ammonia in your water.
If it's well water, I would doubt there is.

The temp is 80F? That seems a bit high for plays.
Do you have a bubble stone? Higher water temps means less oxygen in the water.
 

dancerhas

We have an 8-inch bubble wand going at full blast. Temp is actually 78 F right now.

I'll probably pick up a liquid test kit tonight....then we'll see what it says. It was my assumption that well water didn't have ammonia in it.

Thanks a lot for your help!
 

Steen16

Jumping the gun here as to whether or not there's ammonia in your water.
If it's well water, I would doubt there is.

The temp is 80F? That seems a bit high for plays.
Do you have a bubble stone? Higher water temps means less oxygen in the water.

True.

I would be hard to say if it is a lack of oxygen, wouldnt the fish be at the surface? not on the bottom?
 

dancerhas

True.

I would be hard to say if it is a lack of oxygen, wouldnt the fish be at the surface? not on the bottom?

That's what I thought too.
 

Steen16

I think the best thing to do is get the test kit then go from there.
 

Shawnie

jumping lucys gun LOL ...well water could still have ammonia ...is the tank new? did it fully cycle? I agree with the other peoples to get the liquid test kit to be sure and in the mean time do some daily changes with prime to keep anything that MIGHT be present that the strips aren't getting neutralized....it won't hurt anything if its not ammonia by doing the changes
 

dancerhas

tank is 6 months old. I'm pretty sure it's been fully cycled. I've been using the current filter floss for about 2 months now.

Anybody know if API Stress Coat works the same way as prime? I have some of that already.
 

Lucy

Stress Coat+ is supposed to, not just plain Stress Coat.
 

Shawnie

tank is 6 months old. I'm pretty sure it's been fully cycled. I've been using the current filter floss for about 2 months now.

Anybody know if API Stress Coat works the same way as prime? I have some of that already.

being cycled is one thing but there's always chances of a minI cycle or ammonia popping up ...and stress coat + works the same but not the stress coat

lucy is a black belt in hood this week LOL
 

dancerhas

Well I tested the tank water and tap water with the API Liquid Ammonia test kit, and both read negative. I also picked up some prime just in case. I found it ironic that a little 3 dollar bottle of prime treats just as much as an 8 dollar bottle of stress coat.
 

dancerhas

Since I've started changing their diet a little bit, adding freeze-dried bloodworms, and peas, they seem a little perkier. I still wonder why Spike flashed though...
 

aecw

I have a tank of platys and I have seen my do the same thing for a couple of days. I tested water, changed water and basically they were pregnant. I have also had a platy that appeared to almost be unable to stay afloat - she rested on the bottom all the time. She would still make the effort to swim up for food but it took a lot of effort on her part! My fish guy suggested frozen bloodworms daily - he said she might have gulped too much air when she goes for the flakes. She was all better after a couple of weeks! I now alternate flakes and frozen bloodworms but back to your platy problem - I have seen a whole range of "moody behavior" in my platys especially if there is a busy male in the tank! If all your water perimeters appear to be fine I'd just watch and see - she might be just having "a moment" (common in the female population in any species - I personally have many!)
 

tilly99

Ive had platys for years, my eldest is about 6 years old! They seem really easy to care for and quite hardy.They do tend to have lots of babies though.Sometimes mine seem quiet and listless and then pick up.Mine love bloodworms! when a male platy is seriously interested in mating,she gets chased until exhausted.Poor thing! I'm glad I'm not a platy!
 

marcie31401

I have 2 platies in my 20 gallon tank, and for a while we had them in our living room of our apartment, which was fairly dark because of the colors and hardwood floors. They would never come from behind/under rocks unless I reached down there and moved them a little. We recently moved to a different apartment that is much brighter with natural light, and both platies have been swimming around and enjoying life like the others! I don't know if that contributed, but it certainly seemed to make a difference.
 

dancerhas

They've seemed good so far...all swimming and eating. Spike (our High Fin) just deflated the other day...couldn't find any babies...so I'm guessing they got eaten or sucked up...we looked all over for them. Since then she's taken to sitting on top of one of the decorations...just sitting there. She'll come out and swim sometimes, and eat, but doesn't do much else. Thanks for the replies...I'm hoping it was just moodiness.
 

oceansfish

my tank doesn't have any real problems. it's a nice hefty marineland one. i have chronic generalized anxiety disorder and it feels like i've aged years over worrying that the tank would give out.
i LOVE fish, and this is like my dream tank. but i don't know how much more i can handle. i've also realized that if any of my equipment were to fail (heater, filter) i would be out of luck as i have no money to replace them with.
should i .... give up? cut my losses before things go even more wrong? my heart aches, BADLY, but (my anxiety makes me think?) that i just can't see this ending well.
 

awilkinson871

As with anything in life, there are ups and downs. There will be equipment failures and death in fish keeping. You have to ask yourself- is watching and taking care of the these fish worth the worry. In my case- absolutely YES!
 

oceansfish

i think it's not so much about the tank, and more about my rampant untreated anxiety. treatment is impossible to find right now, and i'm at the end of my rope and feeling so low and hopeless. i don't know if i can care for a tank and myself at the same time. my heart hurts so badly for this.
 

peachsonas

i think it's not so much about the tank, and more about my rampant untreated anxiety. treatment is impossible to find right now, and i'm at the end of my rope and feeling so low and hopeless. i don't know if i can care for a tank and myself at the same time. my heart hurts so badly for this.
As someone who has chronic anxiety, I understand. To be blunt, if it stresses you out to the point where you feel like you’re not going to be able to take care of yourself and the tank, prioritize yourself. Find a friend or maybe an LFS to rehome your fish and work on yourself until you feel ready to care for a tank again. It’s a big responsibility and with that can come the burden of constantly worrying about the well-being of your fish and the “what if’s”. It’s okay to take a break from the hobby and come back when you’re feeling up to it again, even if it hurts to let go. It’s not giving up, it’s putting yourself first.
Also, let me add that fishkeeping is expensive hobby with constant upkeep. Definitely an extra bill, so this break could alleviate you from that financially too.
 

Donthemon

i think it's not so much about the tank, and more about my rampant untreated anxiety. treatment is impossible to find right now, and i'm at the end of my rope and feeling so low and hopeless. i don't know if i can care for a tank and myself at the same time. my heart hurts so badly for this.fish keeping is meant to be relaxing not stressful.
If you didn’t worry get anxious about the tank would you just have something else to stress over instead? Good wishes for you . I am on Zoloft for depression so I feel for you. Before I was treated I didn’t know what to do.
 

Azedenkae

my tank doesn't have any real problems. it's a nice hefty marineland one. i have chronic generalized anxiety disorder and it feels like i've aged years over worrying that the tank would give out.
i LOVE fish, and this is like my dream tank. but i don't know how much more i can handle. i've also realized that if any of my equipment were to fail (heater, filter) i would be SOL as i have no money to replace them with.
should i .... give up? cut my losses before things go even more wrong? my heart aches, BADLY, but (my anxiety makes me think?) that i just can't see this ending well.
As someone that is diagnosed with an actual anxiety disorder, I would suggest giving up.

I only managed to still keep fish because when I first started, I kinda skipped over all the complexities of everything and the fish somehow lived, so that kinda gave me some reassurance later on, and even then I still get worked up every once in a while.

So I don't think it's healthy for you to continue on. Based on your description, it sounds like your anxiety is pretty bad too. So best not to make it worse. Life is already complicated enough as is, there are other hobbies that are less anxiety-inducing and still rewarding.

[EDIT]

I don't know when you said treatment is impossible to find right now just because it's not accessible, or if a specific treatment for your anxiety disorder is not available. I thought I could share my experience though.

I have so far mostly managed to control my anxiety after a long, arduous process of self-realization and control, but a lot of the time still need to rely on meditation and breathing exercises.

When the above does not work though, I have had success with Amitriptyline, which is predominantly an anti-depressant but also used for anxiety. With that said, I am not condoning just randomly grabbing pills out of nowhere and popping them. But it might be worth talking to your doctor/therapist to see if it might be a possible solution. It works well for me, does not mean it will definitely work well for you, but if you have not tried it, might be worth a shot (again, under doctor's orders only).
 

oceansfish

just woke up from a stress-dream about the tank sooo gonna write some replies

It’s a big responsibility and with that can come the burden of constantly worrying about the well-being of your fish and the “what if’s”. It’s okay to take a break from the hobby and come back when you’re feeling up to it again, even if it hurts to let go. It’s not giving up, it’s putting yourself first.
:~( i really appreciate your input, and you're right. it just hurts a lot. it's my passion, but i'll never be able to afford a tank like this again. (bought the initial setup with stimulus money, disabled w no job)
If you didn’t worry get anxious about the tank would you just have something else to stress over instead?
100%, for sure. for me it's always one thing after another. if one thing gets resolved, my brain goes right on to the next thing. getting rid of the tank would make me really sad, and i might have a brief respite before moving on to the next worry.
So I don't think it's healthy for you to continue on. Based on your description, it sounds like your anxiety is pretty bad too. So best not to make it worse.
it honestly doesn't feel healthy. i just really wanted to do this, because i missed having fish so much. it's really, really not healthy. my anxiety is overwhelmingly bad, and has been for a very long time.
I don't know when you said treatment is impossible to find right now
i kiiiiind of have treatment, but my new provider is completely slammed. my next psych appointment is two months away, and the therapist waiting list is over 3+ months long. i was inpatient twice last month. it's really getting rough for me, and it feels like the professionals can't/won't do anything. :~( i might need to go into residential treatment, and i definitely don't feel comfortable putting the responsibility of the tank onto my family.

sorry to sound so whiney, everyone. it's just all so overwhelming, and hurts me a lot emotionally. i'm just in a really bad spot right now
 

Aquaricky

My opinion, if you strugle about having an aquarium or not, then is a no. Unless everything is clear in your mind, go for something else

Similar to taking a puppy etc...
 

oceansfish

Unless everything is clear in your mind, go for something else
yeah. my heart hurts, but i'm drafting my craigslist post right now.
 

Aquaricky

Try world of warcraft, helped me during my depression
 

GlennO

yeah. my heart hurts, but i'm drafting my craigslist post right now.
Do you need to sell everything? You could rehome the fish, drain it and put some pot plants in it and it will still be there in future when you're feeling better. At that point you may even feel enthusiastic about restarting with different aqua scaping and stocking ideas.
 

oceansfish

it will still be there in future when you're feeling better
:-O i'm mind-blown, that's actually a fantastic idea.... wow tysm... almost seems like the perfect solution for me!!
Try world of warcraft
thanks aquaricky, this reply is cracking me up! i already have a video game habit, but never played WoW. my faves are the subnautica series (hah predictable) and stardew valley ⭐️
 

Aquaricky

Careful not to become addicted with this game

Another good thing is the social in game (a lot player day and night), you aren t alone
 

Azedenkae

i kiiiiind of have treatment, but my new provider is completely slammed. my next psych appointment is two months away, and the therapist waiting list is over 3+ months long. i was inpatient twice last month. it's really getting rough for me, and it feels like the professionals can't/won't do anything. :~( i might need to go into residential treatment, and i definitely don't feel comfortable putting the responsibility of the tank onto my family.

sorry to sound so whiney, everyone. it's just all so overwhelming, and hurts me a lot emotionally. i'm just in a really bad spot right now

Dang, that sucks. And hey no, it's fine. It's all good. You are good. Take care of yourself. You will be fine, but yeah, don't worry. Those like you and I have all been there, done that, and it's never fun. Good luck on your future endeavours!
 

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