Should I Add My Fish Yet?

ElenaBruzzese

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I bought a betta fish 2 months ago in a little container (0.5 gallons) uneducated on their needs. (I clean this once a week It has been one week since I set up my new tank (5 gallon) and I am wondering if I should add my fish yet. I am aware of the nitrogen cycle but the current container he is in doesn’t have a heater, filter etc. I also have marimo moss balls. I am just stumped for what would be better for him. Also I can’t afford a test kit but I can test the water every two weeks at a local fish shop. They also didn’t give me a used filter pad. I attached what I use in the tank daily.
 

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ElenaBruzzese

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I haven’t gone yet, going sometime this week. I’ll let you know when I do though. I was just wondering if I should leave it for now.
 

abbytherookiehuman

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If your betta has survived this long in that little thing it can last a couple more days. I know it sucks but it’s better than putting him in an uncycled tank and hurting or killing him. Just give the new tank a little time to cycle properly
 

kallililly1973

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It’s a tough call if your not able to test the water yourself daily. Being that your 5 is new it’s most likely not cycled and the .5 he is in is keeping him alive then I would work on getting a test kit and also a bottle of Prime. What are you feeding the 5 gallon to get the cycle going? Ammonia, fish foods, bottled bacteria?
 
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ElenaBruzzese

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kallililly1973 said:
It’s a tough call if your not able to test the water yourself daily. Being that your 5 is new it’s most likely not cycled and the .5 he is in is keeping him alive then I would work on getting a test kit and also a bottle of Prime. What are you feeding the 5 gallon to get the cycle going? Ammonia, fish foods, bottled bacteria?
At the moment I am using fish food and that API stress zyme bottle (recommended my the fish shop) I also get some of the waste in the container every water change which I put in the tank also. I can also get a bottle of prime next visit. I don’t think there is much I can really do without a test kit, i’ll definitely try but for now what would you say I should do?
 

Jimmie93

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You can go ahead and add it but you need to do extra water changes until the tank is fully cycled probably 2-3 per week instead of one but it's better to get test kits so you can remove water when the nitrates is high.
 
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ElenaBruzzese

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kallililly1973 said:
It’s a tough call if your not able to test the water yourself daily. Being that your 5 is new it’s most likely not cycled and the .5 he is in is keeping him alive then I would work on getting a test kit and also a bottle of Prime. What are you feeding the 5 gallon to get the cycle going? Ammonia, fish foods, bottled bacteria?
Also, I just realised my friend has a 20 gallon and I could ask her for a filter pad maybe? Would this work? What should I ask her to give me? She also has a bunch of different fish including goldfish I think? i’m not sure i’ll let you know, thank you so much for your help! All I want is for my fish to be happy.

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abbytherookiehuman said:
If your betta has survived this long in that little thing it can last a couple more days. I know it sucks but it’s better than putting him in an uncycled tank and hurting or killing him. Just give the new tank a little time to cycle properly
thank you i’ll definitely wait a little longer until it’s cycled then.
 

Jimmie93

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ElenaBruzzese said:
Also, I just realised my friend has a 20 gallon and I could ask her for a filter pad maybe? Would this work? What should I ask her to give me? She also has a bunch of different fish including goldfish I think? i’m not sure i’ll let you know, thank you so much for your help! All I want is for my fish to be happy.
If her tank is cycled it will work just take the pad directly out his tank and put it water so the bacteria doesn't die.
 
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ElenaBruzzese

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kallililly1973 said:
It’s a tough call if your not able to test the water yourself daily. Being that your 5 is new it’s most likely not cycled and the .5 he is in is keeping him alive then I would work on getting a test kit and also a bottle of Prime. What are you feeding the 5 gallon to get the cycle going? Ammonia, fish foods, bottled bacteria?
Sorry for bothering you! The last option is to go to the fish shop and buy water that they have in their tanks which would already be cycled, if I did this would it work and how much water would I need if you know. Thanks

Jimmie93 said:
If her tank is cycled it will work just take the pad directly out his tank and put it water so the bacteria doesn't die.
Sorry could you rephrase this?
 

Jimmie93

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ElenaBruzzese said:
Sorry for bothering you! The last option is to go to the fish shop and buy water that they have in their tanks which would already be cycled, if I did this would it work and how much water would I need if you know. Thanks
Bacteria lives on substrate (gravel), filter pads, glass not the water itself that would be a waste. But if your friend isn't willing to give you a used filter pad you can go to her house and rinse her pad out in a bucket of water then quickly add that dirty water to your tank. This isn't going to fully cycle the tank but it will give it a jump start.
 

mattgirl

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Your fish is living in a tiny uncycled, unheated unfiltered container.

If I were in this situation I would move this little guy over to the 5 gallon tank. If you can get some seeded filter media from your friend it should instantly cycle this tank.

Since the bacteria doesn't live in the water getting water from the fish store wouldn't help at all. We don't cycle the water. We cycle the tank. Bacteria grows on all the surfaces in the tank so anything you can get from your friends tank should help jump start this tank. A well seeded sponge is the best option but a piece of filter material would also work.

You want to make sure your friends tank is healthy before using anything from that tank in yours though.

Once you move your little guy over you will want to do no less than a 50% water change every week. If you can't get any seeded media and since you don't have a way to test your water you may want to change out 50% of the water every 3 days until you can get it tested.

I do highly recommend you get a bottle of SeaChem Prime. It is first and foremost a water conditioner but goes one step farther and detoxes low levels of ammonia. It is very concentrated so it just takes a little bit of it. Until you are sure this tank is fully cycled you will want to add enough Prime to treat the full 5 gallons each time you do a 50% water change.

Once the tank is cycled you only have to add enough to treat the water you are replacing.
 

Donthemon

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Move him. Where he is now is horrible. Follow mattgirl’s advice.
 

Faytaya

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You have a few options based on what I've read:

1) keep him in his current location until cycled. It's been a week, and cycles can take a couple months, so this method Is not recommended.

2) get a used filter pad from your friend as suggested above. I'd follow mattgirl's recommendations.

3) Place your fish in the uncycled tank and do a fish-in cycle. (This requires a test kit or strips at the very least.) You'll need to check parameters daily, do a 50% water change every other day, and double dose your tank with seachem PRIME in order to detoxify ammonia and keep your fish safe.

I second the opinion that your betta's current living conditions are unsuitable. Do your best to move him to his 5 gal as soon as possible. Good luck.
 

abbytherookiehuman

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ElenaBruzzese said:
Sorry for bothering you! The last option is to go to the fish shop and buy water that they have in their tanks which would already be cycled, if I did this would it work and how much water would I need if you know. Thanks

Don’t eveerrrrrrr get the water from your lfs and put it in your tanks. Pet shops are so dodgy and can carry heaps of diseases and bacteria that can mess up your whole tank. Not to mention that pet stores probably don’t keep their water parameters in very good condition.

Sorry could you rephrase this?
They jus mean that you shouldn’t just grab the filter pad and take it home to put it in your tank. All the good bacteria that is growing on the pad will die as they are just like tiny microbial fish. They need to stay in water. Take the sponge in a container or bag of your friends tank water so they don’t dry out and die
 
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ElenaBruzzese

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mattgirl said:
Your fish is living in a tiny uncycled, unheated unfiltered container.

If I were in this situation I would move this little guy over to the 5 gallon tank. If you can get some seeded filter media from your friend it should instantly cycle this tank.

Since the bacteria doesn't live in the water getting water from the fish store wouldn't help at all. We don't cycle the water. We cycle the tank. Bacteria grows on all the surfaces in the tank so anything you can get from your friends tank should help jump start this tank. A well seeded sponge is the best option but a piece of filter material would also work.

You want to make sure your friends tank is healthy before using anything from that tank in yours though.

Once you move your little guy over you will want to do no less than a 50% water change every week. If you can't get any seeded media and since you don't have a way to test your water you may want to change out 50% of the water every 3 days until you can get it tested.

I do highly recommend you get a bottle of SeaChem Prime. It is first and foremost a water conditioner but goes one step farther and detoxes low levels of ammonia. It is very concentrated so it just takes a little bit of it. Until you are sure this tank is fully cycled you will want to add enough Prime to treat the full 5 gallons each time you do a 50% water change.

Once the tank is cycled you only have to add enough to treat the water you are replacing.
Ok so I asked my friend and she said sure, she is clean her tank this saturday and that’s when she will give it to me. My only concern is that she said her tank is really dirty (to the point where you can’t even see the fish) I was unaware of this and I don’t think I should get it anymore. What’s your take on this? Thank you so much again! I’ll try and get a picture of her tank today.
 

mattgirl

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ElenaBruzzese said:
Ok so I asked my friend and she said sure, she is clean her tank this saturday and that’s when she will give it to me. My only concern is that she said her tank is really dirty (to the point where you can’t even see the fish) I was unaware of this and I don’t think I should get it anymore. What’s your take on this? Thank you so much again! I’ll try and get a picture of her tank today.
It depends on what is causing this tank to seem dirty. Is it possible that it is just algae on the glass?

Before I say yes it is a good idea to get the filter media from your friends tank or no, definitely don't get any and put it in your tank I need to know more about her tank.
 

LeahsTank

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Move the fish to the new tank. Bigger is always better. You can put some of the gravel in a cup and put it in the new tank until the filter cycles.
 

Faytaya

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I'd say add no more than what the filter you're moving can handle. If its rated to move 30 gals, stock for 15, for 40, 20 and so on. You can add a new filter on top of the old one and after a few months add more fish too. Just be prepared in case of an ammonia spike, they can happen sometimes, even to the best prepared people. Make sure you stock up on PRIME and get a liquid test kit.
 

MrBryan723

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Move the betta and put his current container in the tank as well with the filter water running over it. The cup he is in will have some BB on it that will help the cycle along in the new tank. Hopefully it will fit.
 

abbytherookiehuman

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Don't risk overloading the uncycled filter
 

Dechi

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When I bought my Betta, he was in a very small cup, not cycled and they just changed the water everyday and added dechlorinator to it.

Since he was in bad conditions, I figured I would get him and put him in my new set-up. So he went in the tank a few minutes after I set it up.

I check my water parameters everyday and I do a 50% water change every day. I use beneficial bacterias and dechlorinator.

I used seeded material from my other tank but 12 days later, I am not cycled and having nitrite peaks.

If I were you I would just put your Betta in the 5 gallons and do as I do until your tank is cycled, which should take about 25-30 days.
 

RHONDA PIMENTEL

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Most importantly, please get a test kit! Seachem prime and stability. I wish store employees would suggest setting up a tank properly, wayyyyy before even thinking of getting any fish! I know, that's not happening but, one can hope...don't want to sound to harsh.
 

Andy S

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The tank that he is currently in, the 1/2 gallon - you say there is no heater, what do you have in that tank apart from water, a marimo moss ball and your one fish?
If there is no filter, no substrate and no plants the only place that the beneficial bacteria have to grow is on the glass of the tank.
If that is the case I would move him into the larger tank immediately, you would be in exactly the same situation as you currently have with your smaller tank other than there would be much more water and you are far less likely to have an ammonia spike in a 5 gallon uncycled tank than you will in an uncycled tank of 1/2 gallon given the same bioload (the same one fish).
It's not an ideal solution but any increase in ammonia or nitrite is going to be much more gradual in 5 gallons as opposed to a tank with only 1/10th of that volume of water.
Put him in the 5 gallons and continue to do your daily 50% water changes
 

FeederGuppies

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The tank he is currently in is barely cycled itself, since it doesn't have a filter. The gravel and decor in the 0.5 might have some beneficial bacteria, so just put it and him into the 5.
 

LucieGuppy13

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This sounds like a really stressful situation. So glad you are trying to find out more and do the best thing for your fish!
 
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ElenaBruzzese

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Andy S said:
The tank that he is currently in, the 1/2 gallon - you say there is no heater, what do you have in that tank apart from water, a marimo moss ball and your one fish?
If there is no filter, no substrate and no plants the only place that the beneficial bacteria have to grow is on the glass of the tank.
If that is the case I would move him into the larger tank immediately, you would be in exactly the same situation as you currently have with your smaller tank other than there would be much more water and you are far less likely to have an ammonia spike in a 5 gallon uncycled tank than you will in an uncycled tank of 1/2 gallon given the same bioload (the same one fish).
It's not an ideal solution but any increase in ammonia or nitrite is going to be much more gradual in 5 gallons as opposed to a tank with only 1/10th of that volume of water.
Put him in the 5 gallons and continue to do your daily 50% water changes
In the tank there is gravel and a leaf hammock. I could put in the marimo moss ball but currently it is making the water brown in its container. As much as I squeeze it out. But I currently got some stuff inside the 5 gallon.
 
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ElenaBruzzese

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LucieGuppy13 said:
This sounds like a really stressful situation. So glad you are trying to find out more and do the best thing for your fish!
Thank you! I started doing so much researching and I felt really bad so I saved up 100 dollars do get the tank (it’s really expensive here) I just wish the people would have told me more about them. I actually went back to the stall and told them how I felt, they disagreed with the necessities and do I went to the information desk where I got the managers email. Honestly there’s not much I could say since the stall moves around the whole state i. a month.
 
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