After a while I was able to get these. Is it normal that the one I think is a male is chasing the female and raming into. She looks stressed (dark body) and hides from the other. I also noticed today he belly is darker and her breeding tube is out.
I’m still on the fence about the “male”. It has some rather un-male-like traits. The ventral fins are female-length (males typically longer), and there is more speckling in the black side spot that most males would show. I think there’s a decent chance u have a second female that just hasn’t got a pink belly yet.
Until u get some surer markings either way, keep a close eye out right after water changes. That can bring demure colors out briefly.
Another question I have (for any ram pros who are reading) is if this were two females, would the more aggressive of the two take on male traits? That would fit with the larger female here not having pink belly.