Serious help with clove oil, emergency situation

Hello everyone, I have read the others posts regarding clove oil, and they do not match the question I need answered.

I unfortunately have two very sick, female bettas, who are in need of being put down soon. I need to know what kind of clove oil I can use as in my city all that is available since over 2 years ago Is essential oils and only in one I have found has the name Eugenia in it, none with Eugenol. Yes I have checked health food stores, Organic aisles, Organic food stores, GNC, my dentist, etc. all of them are essential oils and are for topical use only (not in the mouth) and start with Eugenia or something else, not specifically Eugenol.

I have been under the impression that clove oil, not clove bud, clove seed, etc. is not the right or proper part of clove to use?? ‍♀️… I’m sorry if I sound stupid, but I have went to several stores and called several stores and also looked online and I cannot find anything that contains or is called Eugenol Caryophyllene when it was available a few years back.

So my question is, would it be OK or safe to use something called Eugenia Caryophyllus or do I have to use the Eugenol Caryophellene?

if anyone could please give me a suggestion about a clove oil that they use that they have found online that works humanely and properly can you please tell me what brand and where are you got it from?

If possible, I would also like to be able to use the same stuff for a tooth, but if not, that’s OK I can use some thing else this is 100% about the fish but I thought I would ask about my teeth as well.

thank you for all who respond and happy holidays.

Tiffany

 

Benzocaine is commonly used for sore teeth.
If clove oil isn't available, ice water should quickly dispatch the sick Bettas.

 

Benzocaine is commonly used for sore teeth.
If clove oil isn't available, ice water should quickly dispatch the sick Bettas.

My understanding is that ice can also result in pain for the fish? Perhaps others can weigh in on whether I am right and on the suitability of ice for a Betta (which might survive cold temps better than a Cardinal tetra?)

 

For a fish that fits in a cup I use the ice water method.
Let water stand with ice for 3-4 minutes then drop fish in it .
For a fish the size of a betta you won't be able to count to 3- 5 before it passes.
Does it feel pain? 5 seconds is not long term suffering in my book.
I think the most important part of euthanizing is the owner being comfortable with it.
PETA and many other tree hugger type insist that cutting the fishes head off is least stressful method of euthanizing..
For who ??


Not me...

 

Ice water is as fast as anything.

 

Let water stand with ice for 3-4 minutes then drop fish in it .

I know another icewater method that was common in Germany.
Heat water up a bit and dissolve salt in it, until water is saturated with salt.

That you can freeze to up to -19°C / -2F, without it becoming solid. The best point is when the water starts to thicken.
The cold shock is usually so big, that the fish instantly shuts down.

 

Rough topic. No idea on the differences between forms but everything I've read says "clove oil".

I use a physical method and the fish is dead in a second, but I don't recommend people do it this way unless they know how and have experience doing it because being squeamish or half hearted on it prolongs the death and causes pain to the fish. Most people just won't be quick and methodical about it without doing it a lot, like someone that fishes would so I can't recommend it and won't describe it.

The goal is the most humane, fast and least pain being experinced by the fish, that's what matters.
Any method done wrong doesn't accomplish the mission.

 

I use a physical method and the fish is dead in a second, but I don't recommend people do it this way unless they know how and have experience doing it because being squeamish or half hearted on it prolongs the death and causes pain to the fish.

100% agree, that's what I do, but I've learned how to do this in an exam. Don't want to describe the method here though. I guess you didn't describe it for the same reasons I'm thinking about.

 

I get the Eugenol Oil at the Pharmacy It is in the toothpaste Isle. The brown bottle with a red cross on it. Like this.
https://www.amazon.com/Red-Cross-Toothache-Medication-Drops/dp/B000GGJDD8

 

I don’t know abt getting this in Canada, but this is what I use and it works great for the situation. It is available at Amazon and is not expensive. Getting this and having it on hand for needs down the road is ideal. One never knows when that time comes to humanely put down a suffering fish. Just be sure to mix the oil in a small bottle w water by shaking before adding it to the small fish container w water your fish is in. Then gently pour the mixture down the side of the cup so you don’t startle your fish and it will simply go to sleep. Then, slightly increase the concentration of clove oil, mix, and reapply to have the fish pass on. Do not drop drops of pure oil directly into your fish cup. The oil needs to be “broken up”/dissolved into the dispatch water container before hand.

The number of drops at each step depend on how big your fish is and the container being used. Doing this for a discus is much different than for a guppy regarding container size and number of clove oil drops added to the mixing container. For a platy, I put the fish in a 1/3 cup or so sized container of aquarium water. I add three drops of oil to my 1/4 cup of water in a separate mixing container, shake, and gently pour. Wait a few minutes. Then I put six or so more drops into a second 1/4 cup water mixture, shake, and gently pour. One should wait ten or so minutes to be sure the fish is gone. There should be absolutely no gill, fin, or mouth movement what-so-ever.

Ending the life of an animal one has taken care of, enjoyed, or loved is indeed tough. It is, however, absolutely imperative that we animal keepers treat the animals w respect and prevent/minimize any suffering on their part.

I‘m not the ‘chop the head off or smashing’ type of guy unless there is dire need. When I showed/raised bantam chickens years ago, I had to put them down as well. I developed a method that seemed to do the trick very well. I’d spray some carberator ether into a plastic bag w a paper towel in it and put it over the bird’s head and it went to sleep and passed right there in my arms. No struggle, pain, or discomfort was evident.

Oops…..sorry abt the rambling, but this topic is as important to the hobby as any other facet. We all must properly care for/raise our pets and we must also see to it that we, at that dreaded time, humanely end any suffering.

Good luck. If there are questions, don’t hesitate to ask. Know what you need to know beforehand so as to avoid errors fish suffering wise and also for your own peace of mind and dispatching effectiveness.

 

For a fish that fits in a cup I use the ice water method.
Let water stand with ice for 3-4 minutes then drop fish in it .
For a fish the size of a betta you won't be able to count to 3- 5 before it passes.
Does it feel pain? 5 seconds is not long term suffering in my book.
I think the most important part of euthanizing is the owner being comfortable with it.
PETA and many other tree hugger type insist that cutting the fishes head off is least stressful method of euthanizing..
For who ??
View attachment 869348
Not me...

Love this answer thank you! I was told that the ice method takes 20 minutes for bettas and therefore never attempted it. And same as you, no way am I chopping off my babies heads!!! thanks!

I know another icewater method that was common in Germany.
Heat water up a bit and dissolve salt in it, until water is saturated with salt.

That you can freeze to up to -19°C / -2F, without it becoming solid. The best point is when the water starts to thicken.
The cold shock is usually so big, that the fish instantly shuts down.

This is a much better method in my opinion now that I know of it and not the lies on the net!
I’m going to assume regular table salt not aquarium salt?

Love this answer thank you! I was told that the ice method takes 20 minutes for bettas and therefore never attempted it. And same as you, no way am I chopping off my babies heads!!! thanks!

This is a much better method in my opinion now that I know of it and not the lies on the net!
I’m going to assume regular table salt not aquarium salt?

Plus I have a cat and the clove oil is so powerful and toxic to cats that I have to lock mine up in a kennel for about an hour with a towel under the bathroom door (where I temporarily put her) so she doesn’t get sick. Then have to air the house out in freezing cold weather. . This method seems much better in my opinion so thanks again! And regular salt right?

 

Hey,

yep, table salt.

 

I don’t know abt getting this in Canada, but this is what I use and it works great for the situation. It is available at Amazon and is not expensive. Getting this and having it on hand for needs down the road is ideal. One never knows when that time comes to humanely put down a suffering fish. Just be sure to mix the oil in a small bottle w water by shaking before adding it to the small fish container w water your fish is in. Then gently pour the mixture down the side of the cup so you don’t startle your fish and it will simply go to sleep. Then, slightly increase the concentration of clove oil, mix, and reapply to have the fish pass on. Do not drop drops of pure oil directly into your fish cup. The oil needs to be “broken up”/dissolved into the dispatch water container before hand.

The number of drops at each step depend on how big your fish is and the container being used. Doing this for a discus is much different than for a guppy regarding container size and number of clove oil drops added to the mixing container. For a platy, I put the fish in a 1/3 cup or so sized container of aquarium water. I add three drops of oil to my 1/4 cup of water in a separate mixing container, shake, and gently pour. Wait a few minutes. Then I put six or so more drops into a second 1/4 cup water mixture, shake, and gently pour. One should wait ten or so minutes to be sure the fish is gone. There should be absolutely no gill, fin, or mouth movement what-so-ever.

Ending the life of an animal one has taken care of, enjoyed, or loved is indeed tough. It is, however, absolutely imperative that we animal keepers treat the animals w respect and prevent/minimize any suffering on their part.

I‘m not the ‘chop the head off or smashing’ type of guy unless there is dire need. When I showed/raised bantam chickens years ago, I had to put them down as well. I developed a method that seemed to do the trick very well. I’d spray some carberator ether into a plastic bag w a paper towel in it and put it over the bird’s head and it went to sleep and passed right there in my arms. No struggle, pain, or discomfort was evident.

Oops…..sorry abt the rambling, but this topic is as important to the hobby as any other facet. We all must properly care for/raise our pets and we must also see to it that we, at that dreaded time, humanely end any suffering.

Good luck. If there are questions, don’t hesitate to ask. Know what you need to know beforehand so as to avoid errors fish suffering wise and also for your own peace of mind and dispatching effectiveness.
View attachment 869352

Thank you kindly for your help and everything you took the time to write! It’s much appreciated and may you have a Happy New Year! .
And yes, I agree 100% of all being there to put our animals down when needed. I have done so with cats and dogs and now fish. And thanks again and take care!

 

Sad topic indeed & face the same difficulty locating pure clove oil for some time now in Canada. I have substituted clove leaf oil, pharmacy purchased, for both euthanasia & dental issues successfully & from all appearances, humanely. Sorry for your losses. This is what I have used.

 

Thank you kindly for your help and everything you took the time to write! It’s much appreciated and may you have a Happy New Year! .
And yes, I agree 100% of all being there to put our animals down when needed. I have done so with cats and dogs and now fish. And thanks again and take care!

Happy New Year to you as well.

 

Sad topic indeed & face the same difficulty locating pure clove oil for some time now in Canada. I have substituted clove leaf oil, pharmacy purchased, for both euthanasia & dental issues successfully & from all appearances, humanely. Sorry for your losses. This is what I have used.View attachment 869358

Great and thank you! Does it say the S intro fox name on it by chance? Eugenia … something?

Great and thank you! Does it say the S intro fox name on it by chance? Eugenia … something?

I really wonder why the took it away. They take everything away from us for fish! Even though that’s not the purpose for clove oil. Star-holes!

 

I know another icewater method that was common in Germany.
Heat water up a bit and dissolve salt in it, until water is saturated with salt.

That you can freeze to up to -19°C / -2F, without it becoming solid. The best point is when the water starts to thicken.
The cold shock is usually so big, that the fish instantly shuts down.

Good one as it prevents the problem of ice chrystals in the living tissue causing pain in the ice water method.
Also possible: Closed container in the fridge. In the dark fish tend to be calm, the water gets cooled down slowly until metabolism simply stops. No panic, no physical pain.

 

I've used clove oil before and it's not pleasant

ice is near instant imo


in regards to pain via ice, there's an immediate shock that occurs and then body shutdown. it takes seconds.

not to be graphic, but there's no struggle. Even the weakest, sickest fish will react to the oil.

Oil - you will see the fish struggle to breathe. I've had to use it 3x tumors, fish ill for 2-3 weeks etc. It was a quality of life issue. I had to walk away as I could not watch them.

 

Well, it looks like ice is the winner in this case I never thought that would be the answer. Now what am I gonna do that? I have ordered some clothes oil from online lol. I can’t use a lot of things because I have a cat and Clove oil is toxic toxic to them