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I had never heard of these until just this last week. And now I have seen them mentioned twice in two different locations.

In my curiosity about them, I did some googling and the conclusion I am coming to is that they are wild angels and they are given that name simply due to the location they are caught in. (Santa Isabel)

I am not sure if they would be considered altum, or scalare. I'd have to do more digging on that.

I honestly do not know anything about these angels and like I said, only heard their name this past week. Sorry I couldn't be of more assistance.

@Mcasella What do you know about these guys?? Is it just a made up name for a wild scalare? (made up name given due to location) or are they altums?? What do you know about them, if anything??
 

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They are supposedly scalare, not altum, but have a similar appearance to altum angels.
They look different from regular wild scalare, most noted in the red coloration and spotting along the body when compared to a wild scalare from another location.
I've had some red back crosses before (they didn't look like much, but i sold them before I could figure it out because i didn't have the tank space), but that would be as close as I've gotten to real wild angelfish so far.
 
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Thanks for the information! Unfortunately, not a whole lot of information has been documented or mentioned on the internet.
 

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Crispii said:
Thanks for the information! Unfortunately, not a whole lot of information has been documented or mentioned on the internet.
They would have the same requirements as a regular wild angel, though more carotenoids would provide better red coloring. Lower, acidic water with less plants, more hardscape/driftwood.
Mix of live, frozen, and dry foods to keep them healthy - some larger dither fish (lemon tetras, diamond tetras or similar, thicker bodied to avoid eating), sand substrate or bare bottom will likely be better for them.
 

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Crispii said:
Thanks for the information! Unfortunately, not a whole lot of information has been documented or mentioned on the internet.
I think there is info out there on that particular wild species. But likely under a different name. Santa isabel is simply the location they are caught. From what I understand anyway. So they could just be under a different name.
 
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Mcasella said:
They would have the same requirements as a regular wild angel, though more carotenoids would provide better red coloring. Lower, acidic water with less plants, more hardscape/driftwood.
Mix of live, frozen, and dry foods to keep them healthy - some larger dither fish (lemon tetras, diamond tetras or similar, thicker bodied to avoid eating), sand substrate or bare bottom will likely be better for them.
I do indeed have some wood and I feed my fish with a variety of prepared foods (bug bites, flakes, and pellets) as well as frozen food (bloodworms and brine shrimp).
 
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Mcasella said:
Standard sized, 3-4 inch body, 6-8 inches tall w/ fins.
Thanks! And is it true that they don't really school or shoal as other angelfish species?
 

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Crispii said:
Thanks! And is it true that they don't really school or shoal as other angelfish species?
They are caught in singles, which is why they are harder to get a hold of but also more expensive.
 
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Mcasella said:
They are caught in singles, which is why they are harder to get a hold of but also more expensive.
Yeah I heard they're expensive, but how expensive are they?
 

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Yeah I heard they're expensive, but how expensive are they?
I've seen a couple for sale between 30-90 a piece. But you want to make sure there is some documentation of where they were collected if you can, that way you can be certain they are actually santa isabel angels. You could always go for manacapuru angels instead, they are called red back or red shoulder and have good color (plus being easier to get/less expensive). Normally around 5-15 for captive bred ones. Their body shape isn't quite as tall, but they are good looking fish.
 
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Mcasella said:
I've seen a couple for sale between 30-90 a piece. But you want to make sure there is some documentation of where they were collected if you can, that way you can be certain they are actually santa isabel angels. You could always go for manacapuru angels instead, they are called red back or red shoulder and have good color (plus being easier to get/less expensive). Normally around 5-15 for captive bred ones. Their body shape isn't quite as tall, but they are good looking fish.
Really? 30-90? That's not bad. I saw some at my lfs and I'm hoping that they're not too expensive.
 

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Crispii said:
Really? 30-90? That's not bad. I saw some at my lfs and I'm hoping that they're not too expensive.
Just make sure they have a known location before jumping on them, even if they are F1/F2 and tank raised, having their parents/grandparents from a known location improves their price/(sometimes quality). Main point is to make sure they are santas.
 
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Mcasella said:
Just make sure they have a known location before jumping on them, even if they are F1/F2 and tank raised, having their parents/grandparents from a known location improves their price/(sometimes quality). Main point is to make sure they are santas.
Alrighty. Thank you!
 
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