Re-tanking My 55 Corner To A 90 Gallon Seaclear And Changing Stock

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    abovo Valued Member Member

    I've had my 55 gallon corner set up for about 5 years and always wanted a bigger tank.

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    About six months ago I scored a deal on a SeaClear 90 gallon acrylic tank (60"L x 18"W x 20"D). I'm not totally crazy about the integrated filter system but it'll hide my equipment and I can run my canister along with it.

    I need to move the tank because we're having our house tented for termites (common thing here in SoCal). It's an opportunity to redo my stock and finally do the re-tank. I plan to move out the corner and move it in to the garage when I bring it back. I can then set up the 90 inside the house to cycle and seed it with media from the 55.

    Currently I have these fish in the tank.

    2 Gold Angels about 6-7" across
    2 Eartheater Cichlids
    2 Upside Down Cats
    1 Rafael Cat
    1 Common Pleco
    3 Gold Barbs
    1 Blue Gourami
    1 Gold snail
    2 Striped snails
    1 Siamese Algae Eater

    My wife is ok with the bigger tank as long as I re-stock with "colorful fish that don't fight". That means at least the Eartheaters (gray color) and Angels (they fight) need to be re-homed. Those four are also most likely to eat the fish she wants.

    One LFS will give me 10% off a purchase for bringing in fish, the other won't give me anything but will put them in an adoption tank. I'd like to re-home the pleco too but my son thinks he's the coolest. I might be able to get a bristlenose to replace it to avoid crowding the tank.

    The new tank will have a Black Diamond Sand 20/40 substrate with osmocote tabs. The current tank is around 77-80 degrees year round.

    So what do you all think for stocking the new tank?

    Endlers? Guppies? Neons? Rainbowfish? 1 Male Betta?

    I know I'd like to have a school of Corys and to get some more SAE friends for my little guy.

    We had tiger barbs years ago and my wife wasn't a fan.

    And yes I know my current stocking is a bit of a mess so I appreciate help getting it fixed.
     
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    AntsRule Valued Member Member

    The Siamese algae eater will need to go also, they can get around a foot long and a super aggressive at that point. I would recommend some tetras, maybe rummynose tetras, german blue rams are pretty peaceful and will tolerate tetras, a school of corys maybe. Are you sure its a Siamese algae eater and not an oto cat? They get confused a lot. Good luck, and your tank does look very good now;)
     
  3. Hunter1

    Hunter1 Well Known Member Member

    My suggestion would be 6 guppies (choose pretty ones), 10-12 corys, (gonna recommend 77 degrees so sterbias would be best but peppers or pandas would work), red flame or head and tail light tetras (15-20).

    You could put a center piece fish or 2 in also. Pearl gouramis? I would also suggest a pair of angels but seems you are done with them.

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    abovo Valued Member Member

    Thank you for the tips. I'm pretty sure he's an SAE but I will take a picture tomorrow. I didn't realize they would get that big. Your suggestion of Ottos would be a better fit.

    I do really like the angels but these two are particularly aggressive toward each other. They've calmed down a bit since I re-scaped the tank to give them some territory separation.
     
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    saint1407 New Member Member

    sorry.. that looks more like a siamese algae eater (SAE). the one that gets big and aggressive is the Chinese algae eater (CAE). i've kept both and the SAE is quite peaceful IMO. its also not an OTO.. i also keep those..
     
  6. aussieJJDude

    aussieJJDude Well Known Member Member

    IMO if it was me I would rehome most of the stock and start it out how you want it.
    The gourami is equally as aggressive as the angels, so I would also suggest getting rid of the 3 spot as well... suitable alternatives include pearls, moonlight or snakeskin gouramis... if you want a challenge, consider chocolate or croaking gouramies.

    The pleco would be better of substituted with a BN pleco. I would reccomend adding one of the colour morphs, and if you want flashy consider longfins. A few colour morphs that come to mind are blue-eyes, super reds and green dragons.

    Never kept a Rafael cat, but heard they can make a nice snack out of their smaller tankmates. So i would highly reconsider rehoming them.

    Gold barbs also appreciate cooler water temps than most other fish, so keeping them may reduce your options. If you want to keep them, stick with cooler water fish.

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    My reccomendations would be to do something like keep a largish shoal of larger tetras, like colombians or keep rainbowfish. I would also consider adding some of the brighter coloured tetras (even though I think colombians are still just as pretty) like rummies, or black phantoms. So, ny prefered stocking list:
    5 pearl gouramis (try getting 1 male and 4 females)
    20 colombian tetras (or some other type of tetra, rainbow, rasbora or schooling fish... pencil fish are another good option)
    8-10 of another schooling fish
    12 cories (look into lazer cories!)
    4 SAE (or bump down cory school and add some more SAE)
    1 BN pleco (look into all the varieties and morphs on offer!)

    Then if your looking to add some personality, consider adding a pair of apistos or rams.
     
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    abovo Valued Member Member

    I think the 3 spot would be happier with some other 3 spots so I'll re-home him as well. The Rafael Cat only comes out at night but he's a big guy, I imagine he would be interested in some night hunting if I put in small fish.

    Here is a pic of the SAE, the bigger of the two eartheaters, and the Rafael. He's a little bigger now, those pics are almost a year old.


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  8. TexasDomer

    TexasDomer Fishlore Legend Member

    If you'd still like some stocking ideas for the new tank, let me know and I can suggest a few options :)
     
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    abovo Valued Member Member

    Absolutely! I'm interested in any ideas you have.

    Most of these guys are going to the LFS this week. When we're back in the house it'll be a month or so before I can set up the new tank in its spot. The 55 corner is going to be in the garage with whatever fish I keep. I'll wait until the new tank is set up and cycled before buying new fish so I have some time.

    I looked at Endlers and Guppies at the LFS, they do look nice in big groups. I've learned you shouldn't really have both unless you're ok with hybrid fish in the tank. Of course they had a cute school of corys which looked cool.
     
  10. TexasDomer

    TexasDomer Fishlore Legend Member

    Can you remind me what fish you're going to be left after rehoming these fish?
     
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    abovo Valued Member Member

    I completed moving the tank to a relatives house and re-homing some fish tonight at the LFS. Here is what I have remaining. It won't hurt my feelings if you tell me something isn't compatible.

    Striped Raphael Catfish Platydoras armatulus
    -I know he is generally peaceful but will eat a fish small enough to fit in his mouth that gets close enough. Temp range 75-86F

    Common Plecostomus Hypostomus plecostomus
    -I'd like to re-home this guy but my son loves the giant sucker fish Temp range 72-86F

    Two Upside Down Catfish Synodontis nigriventris
    -I had three but one passed away. They'd probably be happier with a bigger school. Temp range 72-79F

    Three Gold Barbs Barbodes semifasciolatus
    -I had five but two were eaten by the Firemouth Cichlid I had. Temp range 64-75F

    One Siamese Algae Eater Crossocheilus siamensis
    -All of his buddies were eaten at a young age. Completely my fault for putting them in with incompatible tank mates. He'd definitely be happier with some friends. Temp range 72-79F

    One Gold Mystery Snail

    Two Zebra Nerite Snails

    All of these guys are much happier now that the other fish are gone. They're doing a lot more swimming around the tank. Could be because the other fish were very territorial or because the tank was overstocked.

    The gist of the situation is that my wife would like to have more colorful fish. She liked pictures of Endlers, Guppies, and even Discus (which I know are not compatible). She knows nothing of fish but wants color in the tank and doesn't really like aggressive fish (the Angels were always fighting).

    After the house is tented I will be building a stand for the new tank, building a background for it, and running it for a bit after cycling before adding new fish. In other words it'll be a long process.
     
  12. TexasDomer

    TexasDomer Fishlore Legend Member

    I'd definitely rehome the common pleco - he needs a bigger tank. There are smaller plecos that would work -maybe your son would enjoy picking out one of those?

    Just to clarify, you're going to be running the 90 gal and the 55 gal at the same time, right? So you want stocking for both of them?
     
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    abovo Valued Member Member

    I'm going to be replacing the 55 with the 90. I'll put the 55 up for sale with the stand and top once the 90 is established. I wouldn't mind two tanks but my wife is anti that idea.

    Establishing the 90 will take some time, here's the plan.

    Build a new stand similar to this one from instructables and add a top.

    Make a Better Than New Aquarium Stand

    Build a background with a sand fall

    20/40 Black diamond blasting sand substrate with osmocote pills

    Seed the SeaClear filter with media from the current tank filter

    Once the new tank is established, cycled, and stable I'll transfer the fish. At that time I'll also run my Magnum 350 canister for extra filtration.
     
  14. TexasDomer

    TexasDomer Fishlore Legend Member

    Ah okay, I thought you meant you'd keep the 55 gal running in the garage.

    If you're going to use old media to seed the current tank, you're better off just adding all of the old media and the fish at the same time. Fishless cycling isn't really necessary here (you'd need to add ammonia to the tank daily with the seeded media), since you're adding all of the fish over to the new tank. Just move all of the media with them at the same time, and you'll have an instant cycle.

    Endlers, guppies, etc. are likely to be eaten by the Raphael. He limits your stocking options some.

    I would do something like this for color:

    12-15x Congo tetra
    10x Boesemani rainbowfish
    6-8x Upside down cats
    1x Raphael cat
    6-8x Hoplos or porthole catfish
    1x Rainbow cichlid
    Snails

    I'd definitely rehome the pleco, but I'd also rehome the SAE and the gold barbs - they aren't temp compatible with the colorful, larger fish I've listed above. If keeping the SAE and the barbs are a must, let me know and I can come up with another option including them.
     
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    abovo Valued Member Member

    Awesome! Thank you for taking the time to come up with the list. I didn't think about the fishless cycle issue. I'll research your suggestions and make some decisions about the current fish.

    My plan was to keep the current tank running in the garage as I build the new stand and get the layout finalized. If I go with a cement over foam background I've seen that they cause some wild pH swings as they cure. That process might take a bit to complete from what I've seen online. I definitely won't waste any beneficial bacteria on that process.
     
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    abovo Valued Member Member

    I set up my temporary stand yesterday and started with getting the scratches out of the tank.
    It's not terrible but the scratches are pretty visible.

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    The first round of sanding was with 400 grit. Here it is after sanding the 600 inside and out.

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    And after doing 1000 inside and out.

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    I'll do 1500 then 2000 followed by compound and polish with the buffer. My wife isn't confident it'll turn out well.
     
  17. Hunter1

    Hunter1 Well Known Member Member

    Good luck!

    Wishing the best for your project.
     
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    abovo Valued Member Member

    First round of compounding. The right side of this end panel has had one pass inside and out. In hindsight I could have saved some time with sanding. I sanded the whole tank with 400, 600, 800, 1000, 1500, & 2000.

    In the future I'll probably compound first to see what I'm working with and then spot sand the scratches that remain. The compound really takes out a lot of scratches.

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    abovo Valued Member Member

    I ended up with some sanding marks from hand sanding that just wouldn't come out with compounding. I decided to start over using my palm sander with 800/1000/2000. This seems to be working better. I also ordered some Novus to see how it compares to the Meguiars compound and polish I had on hand.
     
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    abovo Valued Member Member

    I'm slowly progressing with my 3D background. The plan is for a couple of caves, a fake tree stump, and a sand fall. Should make for an entertaining tank.

    The background has to be done in sections to fit through the braces in the top. It's also a little more complicated because of the integrated sump which makes the background an odd shape.

    The tree pic was taken right after the first round of shaping. Since then I've worked it over a bit for a more organic look.


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