Ram Options In 20 Long

I've wanted some variety of ram for a while now and I was looking for some insight on what I should do regarding my 20 long. I've looked into various dwarf cichlids and keep coming back to these.

I have to order them online and I only have wild caught gbr, captive bred gold rams and electric blue rams as my options. I was also wondering if I should do a single or a pair. I've been told by the store they are still quite young so hard to sex and i'm not interested in buying a group as my goal isn't to breed, just to have a nice looking fish.

Params in this tank: 7.4 ph, 4 gh, 2 kh

Tank currently has brown/striped kuhlI and 1 honey gourami. Here's a pic from a few months ago, things have grown in even more since:

 

Wow NICE tank !
I always say rams do best in pairs but that seems a challenge for most to get .
If you can get a group of 6 and just re home the other 4 after a pair forms it should not take long ..
Otherwise having just one is not all bad ..
Your water sounds all good .
Rams as you have available want their water to be 80f minimum with 82-86 being best for most .
Once the fish acclimates to your water parameters temperature is the most important factor moving forward IMO.
I raise my rams in my tap 7.6 pH /2-3 KH /9 GH with a TDS of 350 and they do fine …
I might stayaway from wilds as there should be some extensive QT /treatment protocol that makes them not fun ..

 

Wow NICE tank !
I always say rams do best in pairs but that seems a challenge for most to get .
If you can get a group of 6 and just re home the other 4 after a pair forms it should not take long ..
Otherwise having just one is not all bad ..
Your water sounds all good .
Rams as you have available want their water to be 80f minimum with 82-86 being best for most .
Once the fish acclimates to your water parameters temperature is the most important factor moving forward IMO.
I raise my rams in my tap 7.6 pH /2-3 KH /9 GH with a TDS of 350 and they do fine …
I might stayaway from wilds as there should be some extensive QT /treatment protocol that makes them not fun ..

Thank you ! I've had it running for a year and a half so should be set up long enough for rams. Went a little crazy with the plants.

Temp shouldn't be a problem. I believe kuhlis can go up in the 80s, as well as honeys but can move out the honey if needed. My tanks can get a nice and toasty 84f in the summer here. I had thought about that a little with the wild rams, particularly parasites I guess ...

Have you had any experience with the golds and ebrs? The golds look very nice in person but my lfs had them completely covered in ich which is why i'm ordering online ... I can't tell if ebrs look nice in person, sometimes they look washed out in photos online

 

Thank you ! I've had it running for a year and a half so should be set up long enough for rams. Went a little crazy with the plants.

Temp shouldn't be a problem. I believe kuhlis can go up in the 80s, as well as honeys but can move out the honey if needed. My tanks can get a nice and toasty 84f in the summer here. I had thought about that a little with the wild rams, particularly parasites I guess ...

Have you had any experience with the golds and ebrs? The golds look very nice in person but my lfs had them completely covered in ich which is why i'm ordering online ... I can't tell if ebrs look nice in person, sometimes they look washed out in photos online

I've heard that honey gourmaI and kuhlI loaches prefer cooler waters, have you looked at Bolivian Rams? They're not as colorful but still a lot of fun, if you're interested. I would also recommend getting another honey gourami, they're social little guys from everything I've seen, so a pair would be great. Finally, how on earth did you make such a perfectly beautiful tank? I don't think anyone one here should be allowed to have a tank that looks that much awesomer than min . I'm sure your fish love it.

Edit: Sorry, I didn't see that bit about being able to remove the honeys. If you take out the gourami, you shouldn't have any issues with the temperature for the rams.

 

IMO both the EBR and gold are a little weaker then the GBR..
I would not get any looking lees then top shelf .I got my EBRs 4-5 years ago and was lucky to have a great source .
I have golds now but not because I bought them .They are a by product of my black rams ..All my rams seem healthy but all my rams are breed by me and about as far from weak store stock as one would want to get !
I have lots of experience with rams ..Check out my signature [video by Rich ]...

 

IMO both the EBR and gold are a little weaker then the GBR..
I would not get any looking lees then top shelf .I got my EBRs 4-5 years ago and was lucky to have a great source .
I have golds now but not because I bought them .They are a by product of my black rams ..All my rams seem healthy but all my rams are breed by me and about as far from weak store stock as one would want to get !
I have lots of experience with rams ..Check out my signature [video by Rich ]...

I wish I could find the regular GBR but it seems no one has them as they all die when they come in (only found balloon long fin, but no thanks)... not a lot of breeders in Canada either.

Here is a pic of the golds from the place I could order online, they are apparently "eating like pigs":

It's sad as the ones at my lfs are bright orange but the ich is so so bad.

 

I wish I could find the regular GBR but it seems no one has them as they all die when they come in (only found balloon long fin, but no thanks)... not a lot of breeders in Canada either.

Here is a pic of the golds from the place I could order online, they are apparently "eating like pigs":

It's sad as the ones at my lfs are bright orange but the ich is so so bad.

If you're willing to pay for shipping, look at Imperial Tropicals, they breed their own fish and have all the different patterns. I strongly recommend them, IME they have high quality fish.

 

If you're willing to pay for shipping, look at Imperial Tropicals, they breed their own fish and have all the different patterns. I strongly recommend them, IME they have high quality fish.

OP is Canada and no Florida fish farm is shipping to there !

I wish I could find the regular GBR but it seems no one has them as they all die when they come in (only found balloon long fin, but no thanks)... not a lot of breeders in Canada either

Here is a pic of the golds from the place I could order online, they are apparently "eating like pigs":

It's sad as the ones at my lfs are bright orange but the ich is so so bad.

That gold does look healthy .Eating like pigs is a good thing .Many say they are picky eaters ..Stay away from those people !
In my years of breeding rams I have never had ich with them ..Maybe everything else almost but ich just shouldn't happen to properly kept rams ..

 

OP is Canada and no Florida fish farm is shipping to there !




That gold does look healthy .Eating like pigs is a good thing .Many say they are picky eaters ..Stay away from those people !
In my years of breeding rams I have never had ich with them ..Maybe everything else almost but ich just shouldn't happen to properly kept rams ..

I'm sorry, I forget that there are people here from everywhere. I guess I don't have any ideas for who to buy from in Canada, I'll let someone else advise op on this

 

That gold does look healthy .Eating like pigs is a good thing .Many say they are picky eaters ..Stay away from those people !
In my years of breeding rams I have never had ich with them ..Maybe everything else almost but ich just shouldn't happen to properly kept rams ..

You think? I'm really tempted to get a gold. Shop is 5 hours away and ships same day bus, i've ordered from there before and the fish were in excellent shape. I have a pic of some electric blues they had late 2018 but i'm not sure if they look good or not. I'd assume the stock would be similar from recent ones.. and here are the gbr's they have right now as well:

The rams were new at my lfs and I think came covered in ich.. but I do remember seeing their rams in the same condition multiple times before.

 

EBR look stressed and not great quality .Not horrible but not top shelf .
The GBR are long fin Balloon ..Stay away from anything balloon..
The gold do look good IMO .
Many sellers get poor rams just because they demand more then regular fish and their suppliers are moving thousands of fish .They are not going to go out of there way for a few specific fish IMO .

 

Some LFS will disclose who the supplier is - worth asking maybe? Ideally though, a good breeder somewhere close enough to get some from.
I've had good and bad experiences with store-bought (ie. source unknown), but will probably only ever buy from good breeders in future. I've found it is very difficult to remedy illness in rams unless they are strong to begin with. Ich however isn't too difficult to beat unless very advanced (I just use Paraguard for that). Perhaps the store can sort that out and get them right?

Rams are very rewarding fish to keep - I love Bolivians as well.
At this point, farms in Asia must be aware just how bad their reputations are?!

 

Some LFS will disclose who the supplier is - worth asking maybe? Ideally though, a good breeder somewhere close enough to get some from.
I've had good and bad experiences with store-bought (ie. source unknown), but will probably only ever buy from good breeders in future. I've found it is very difficult to remedy illness in rams unless they are strong to begin with. Ich however isn't too difficult to beat unless very advanced (I just use Paraguard for that). Perhaps the store can sort that out and get them right?

Rams are very rewarding fish to keep - I love Bolivians as well.
At this point, farms in Asia must be aware just how bad their reputations are?!

The ich on them at the store is definitely quite advanced, fins and bodies covered in it. It's highly possible they're from Asia. If there was someone in Canada that had GBR's and would ship i'd get them in a heartbeat.. but no luck so far.

 

The ich on them at the store is definitely quite advanced, fins and bodies covered in it. It's highly possible they're from Asia. If there was someone in Canada that had GBR's and would ship i'd get them in a heartbeat.. but no luck so far.

LiveAquaria will ship to Canada. I'd be cautious about ordering from them (I think that they're owned by petsmart or petco now), but they do come with a 14 day guarantee.

 

LiveAquaria will ship to Canada. I'd be cautious about ordering from them (I think that they're owned by petsmart or petco now), but they do come with a 14 day guarantee.

I checked and they won't ship live fish across the border. I've been thinking about which route I should go; gold ram or bolivian ram. They have good quality bolivians at my lfs; I just wanted a bit more color but maybe I can compromise... maybe.

 

I checked and they won't ship live fish across the border. I've been thinking about which route I should go; gold ram or bolivian ram. They have good quality bolivians at my lfs; I just wanted a bit more color but maybe I can compromise... maybe.

Really? I'm sorry, I'd found them on a list of places that would ship to Canada, I guess I was mistaken. If you're interested in color, have you seen Peacock Gudgeons? They are really colorful and fun little fish that would fit well in your tank. Bolivian rams are a lot of fun too, but I agree that they aren't as colorful as the GBR, but I do love their little personalities.

 

Really? I'm sorry, I'd found them on a list of places that would ship to Canada, I guess I was mistaken. If you're interested in color, have you seen Peacock Gudgeons? They are really colorful and fun little fish that would fit well in your tank. Bolivian rams are a lot of fun too, but I agree that they aren't as colorful as the GBR, but I do love their little personalities.

Yes, they probably ship dry goods just not fish. I've looked a bit into peacock gudgeons but not too much. Do you keep them?

I tend to always pick fish with neutral colors. In my other tank I have a brown cichlid, brown cories, brown pleco and black tetras. This 20 gallon also has the same thing going on. It would be nice for some color and interesting activity.

 

Yes, they probably ship dry goods just not fish. I've looked a bit into peacock gudgeons but not too much. Do you keep them?

I tend to always pick fish with neutral colors. In my other tank I have a brown cichlid, brown cories, brown pleco and black tetras. This 20 gallon also has the same thing going on. It would be nice for some color and interesting activity.

Yes, I have four of them in my main 75 now, and they are one of my favorite fish (I am always happy to talk about them, so I'll share lots of information here ). They are rather colorful, and they actually have personality. In my experience, females are no less colorful than males, but seem to have a lot more personality. I've seen them swim up to the tank edge to greet me (fine, so they were really just asking for food, but it's still adorable), and they like to swim in the whole tank, I would barely consider them bottom dwellers.They swim all over the place and do the funniest things. I highly recommend them for your tank, but I would probably try just doing females. I had a bit of a bad experience when this one male (kept with two females) harassed a female to death and nearly killed the other one, so I would personally recommend just girls in a tank that size. Looking at your tank lighting, I think that the dark look of it will really bring out their best colors, so that's another plus

If you're looking for both color and personality, you could consider replacing your current honey gourami with a dwarf gourami or betta. They both tend to be grumpy (from what I've heard, I'll admit that I've never kept either), but I've heard that if you're careful about how you choose the little guy, you shouldn't have any issues.

It sounds like you still have some stocking room, so if you're looking for color, maybe look at some small, colorful schooling fish? A lot of colorful fish would really shine in your tank, it's rather beautiful and there are plenty of hiding spots.

 

Yes, I have four of them in my main 75 now, and they are one of my favorite fish (I am always happy to talk about them, so I'll share lots of information here ). They are rather colorful, and they actually have personality. In my experience, females are no less colorful than males, but seem to have a lot more personality. I've seen them swim up to the tank edge to greet me (fine, so they were really just asking for food, but it's still adorable), and they like to swim in the whole tank, I would barely consider them bottom dwellers.They swim all over the place and do the funniest things. I highly recommend them for your tank, but I would probably try just doing females. I had a bit of a bad experience when this one male (kept with two females) harassed a female to death and nearly killed the other one, so I would personally recommend just girls in a tank that size. Looking at your tank lighting, I think that the dark look of it will really bring out their best colors, so that's another plus

If you're looking for both color and personality, you could consider replacing your current honey gourami with a dwarf gourami or betta. They both tend to be grumpy (from what I've heard, I'll admit that I've never kept either), but I've heard that if you're careful about how you choose the little guy, you shouldn't have any issues.

It sounds like you still have some stocking room, so if you're looking for color, maybe look at some small, colorful schooling fish? A lot of colorful fish would really shine in your tank, it's rather beautiful and there are plenty of hiding spots.

They seem like the ideal fish. Are they difficult to sex? That's always my main problem because I either have to order online or get them at my local store but it's not an exclusive fish store so i'm left to my own devices are far as sexing any fish I want. I previously had a halfmoon betta that passed away a few months ago and I don't think I'll keep anymore bettas after him...

If you have any ideas for colorful schooling fish i'd love to hear them! I've gone back and forth on what to get for this tank for a long time now; I just don't want to make any mistakes or regret the fish I get.

 

They seem like the ideal fish. Are they difficult to sex? That's always my main problem because I either have to order online or get them at my local store but it's not an exclusive fish store so i'm left to my own devices are far as sexing any fish I want. I previously had a halfmoon betta that passed away a few months ago and I don't think I'll keep anymore bettas after him...

If you have any ideas for colorful schooling fish i'd love to hear them! I've gone back and forth on what to get for this tank for a long time now; I just don't want to make any mistakes or regret the fish I get.

I've never personally had to sex them (I ordered mine online), but here's a really good example someone gave to look at:

As for small colorful schooling fish, you have a lot of options! Any particular color you like? There are ember tetras, neon tetras, various rasboras, rosy barbs, pretty much any color or type of fish you want is out there somewhere. I understand not wanting to have any regrets, I put together a 75 gallon tank full of small fish, but now I kind of wish that I'd gone bigger and gotten pearl gouramis. None of the small fish are as personable as a lot of the bigger fish people keep in 75 gallon aquariums, which is something I didn't think about when getting them. Anyway, it sounds like you're looking for both color and personality with this aquarium, right? Is one more important for the other? For instance, if you could get a colorful fish with no personality, or a personable fish with no color, which would you prefer? This will help me determine which schooling fish to recommend, since there are a lot of colorful schoolers out there, but in my experience, most don't have that much personality.

 

I've never personally had to sex them (I ordered mine online), but here's a really good example someone gave to look at:


As for small colorful schooling fish, you have a lot of options! Any particular color you like? There are ember tetras, neon tetras, various rasboras, rosy barbs, pretty much any color or type of fish you want is out there somewhere. I understand not wanting to have any regrets, I put together a 75 gallon tank full of small fish, but now I kind of wish that I'd gone bigger and gotten pearl gouramis. None of the small fish are as personable as a lot of the bigger fish people keep in 75 gallon aquariums, which is something I didn't think about when getting them. Anyway, it sounds like you're looking for both color and personality with this aquarium, right? Is one more important for the other? For instance, if you could get a colorful fish with no personality, or a personable fish with no color, which would you prefer? This will help me determine which schooling fish to recommend, since there are a lot of colorful schoolers out there, but in my experience, most don't have that much personality.

I find I tend to lean towards red and blue for color when I look at pictures or videos of other people's tanks. My first thought is I would definitely go for a personable fish with no color; it's why I got interested in Keyhole cichlids. They are quite drab in color but have very interesting personalities. I guess i'm contradicting myself by saying that! I tend to find the oddball fish in a tank at the store that's hidden away from the others... most people go for the colorful ones that are at the glass. But I guess i'd just like to make the most out of the tanks I have rather than make impulse purchases.

 

I find I tend to lean towards red and blue for color when I look at pictures or videos of other people's tanks. My first thought is I would definitely go for a personable fish with no color; it's why I got interested in Keyhole cichlids. They are quite drab in color but have very interesting personalities. I guess i'm contradicting myself by saying that! I tend to find the oddball fish in a tank at the store that's hidden away from the others... most people go for the colorful ones that are at the glass. But I guess i'd just like to make the most out of the tanks I have rather than make impulse purchases.

I get it, so I'd say go for the gudgeons. They have both, really. Have you seen any of the littler pencilfish? They also have both personality and color from what I've heard, and I think that Cherry Barb's are snap supposed to be cool

 

There are colorful fish with personality !
Most are dwarf cichlids so you have been on the right track ..
Since you are just considering I'll toss out the Pelvicachromis Taeniatus Moliwe..
A beautiful Kribensis ! One of my female ;

 

There are colorful fish with personality !
Most are dwarf cichlids so you have been on the right track ..
Since you are just considering I'll toss out the Pelvicachromis Taeniatus Moliwe..
A beautiful Kribensis ! One of my female ;

Wow, that's gorgeous.

 

There are colorful fish with personality !
Most are dwarf cichlids so you have been on the right track ..
Since you are just considering I'll toss out the Pelvicachromis Taeniatus Moliwe..
A beautiful Kribensis ! One of my female ;

Are you keeping this as a pair or solo?

 

I have breeding pair in a 29 g with their fry which are juveniles now and another tank of sub adults .
They are fun to watch as pairs but sometimes the female kills the male after they breed !
Not all the time but you never know ? It is best to try for a larger male then female so he can defend himself and then offer other shelters besides the best cave she took for her and the fry !

 

I find I tend to lean towards red and blue for color when I look at pictures or videos of other people's tanks. My first thought is I would definitely go for a personable fish with no color; it's why I got interested in Keyhole cichlids. They are quite drab in color but have very interesting personalities. I guess i'm contradicting myself by saying that! I tend to find the oddball fish in a tank at the store that's hidden away from the others... most people go for the colorful ones that are at the glass. But I guess i'd just like to make the most out of the tanks I have rather than make impulse purchases.

Sorry going a bit off topic but do you consider your Keyholes Mid dwellers or Bottom dwellers?

 

There are colorful fish with personality !
Most are dwarf cichlids so you have been on the right track ..
Since you are just considering I'll toss out the Pelvicachromis Taeniatus Moliwe..
A beautiful Kribensis ! One of my female ;

If I ever had the chance to get this species of krib, I would in a heart beat! I love kribs, I just figured they wouldn't like the kuhlis with them.

I get it, so I'd say go for the gudgeons. They have both, really. Have you seen any of the littler pencilfish? They also have both personality and color from what I've heard, and I think that Cherry Barb's are snap supposed to be cool

They're definitely at the top of the list now. The pink on them is very pretty. Are you talking about the coral red pencilfish? I've never seen them in person but saw Rachel O'Leary's video on them.

Sorry going a bit off topic but do you consider your Keyholes Mid dwellers or Bottom dwellers?

Most of the time bottom dwelling because they're always searching for food and sifting sand but they do go in the middle of the tank at certain points of the day.

 

If I ever had the chance to get this species of krib, I would in a heart beat! I love kribs, I just figured they wouldn't like the kuhlis with them.

They're definitely at the top of the list now. The pink on them is very pretty. Are you talking about the coral red pencilfish? I've never seen them in person but saw Rachel O'Leary's video on them.



Most of the time bottom dwelling because they're always searching for food and sifting sand but they do go in the middle of the tank at certain points of the day.

I'm not really talking about any particular pencilfish, I Judy know that they're all awesome looking and some of them would be small enough to fit into a 20

 

I have breeding pair in a 29 g with their fry which are juveniles now and another tank of sub adults .
They are fun to watch as pairs but sometimes the female kills the male after they breed !
Not all the time but you never know ? It is best to try for a larger male then female so he can defend himself and then offer other shelters besides the best cave she took for her and the fry !

I was debating on these for sometime back then but would it be cruel to keep only 1?

 

I'm not really talking about any particular pencilfish, I Judy know that they're all awesome looking and some of them would be small enough to fit into a 20

Awesome, I'll look into them more. I'm also trying to figure out the stocking for my 40 breeder; too many fish to choose from, especially when 2 tanks at the same time are involved!

 

Awesome, I'll look into them more. I'm also trying to figure out the stocking for my 40 breeder; too many fish to choose from, especially when 2 tanks at the same time are involved!

As I just told someone else with a 40 breeder, stocking ideas for a tank that size/shape are almost endless. I'll be happy to provide ideas if desired. I have to use all those hours of fish research for fish I don't have for something lol

 

As I just told someone else with a 40 breeder, stocking ideas for a tank that size/shape are almost endless. I'll be happy to provide ideas if desired. I have to use all those hours of fish research for fish I don't have for something lol

If you want to, I won't mind! Lol

Mainly looking for more color and activity as well in the 40.. the top/middle don't have much activity and hardy fish would be desirable due to having a Keyhole in there. I've read instances of them slurping up smaller fish and others saying they keep them with neon tetras, so it's 50/50 I guess. That tank has really soft water... ph 6.6, gh 2-3, kh 1-2.

I'm heading into the store again today to look at the fish for the 20... ideas floating in my head are bolivian ram, gold ram (order online), female honey gourami, peacock gudgeons..

There are colorful fish with personality !
Most are dwarf cichlids so you have been on the right track ..

What do you think of this EBR? It's stock from another specialty fish store 5 hrs away that I can order from (same day bus shipping). He says they do their best to sex them and that they think they do a decent job of it but still can't guarantee sex. Think I should try to get male/female or just one? Seems healthier than the others from the other store I shared pictures of.

 

What do you think of this EBR? It's stock from another specialty fish store 5 hrs away that I can order from (same day bus shipping). He says they do their best to sex them and that they think they do a decent job of it but still can't guarantee sex. Think I should try to get male/female or just one? Seems healthier than the others from the other store I shared pictures of.

I'm no expert on ram health, but it looks gorgeous, which is probably a good sign (fish don't look good when they're stressed). Also, is that the tank they keep them in in the fish store? Because that's a pretty nice looking tank there, I would order from a store who's fish and tanks looked like that in a heartbeat! Basically, I would say go for it, and try to get a male/female pair. Your tank has plenty of spots for them to hide (that will help lower aggression), so they should be fine. You'll have to raise the temp a bit, I think they like it at around 80? The KuhlI Loaches will be fine with that, but I would get rid of the honey gourami. I would recommend looking up acclimation for rams, as they tend to be a rather sensitive fish. I hope this works out well for you, those are some awesome looking fish

 

I'm no expert on ram health, but it looks gorgeous, which is probably a good sign (fish don't look good when they're stressed). Also, is that the tank they keep them in in the fish store? Because that's a pretty nice looking tank there, I would order from a store who's fish and tanks looked like that in a heartbeat! Basically, I would say go for it, and try to get a male/female pair. Your tank has plenty of spots for them to hide (that will help lower aggression), so they should be fine. You'll have to raise the temp a bit, I think they like it at around 80? The KuhlI Loaches will be fine with that, but I would get rid of the honey gourami. I would recommend looking up acclimation for rams, as they tend to be a rather sensitive fish. I hope this works out well for you, those are some awesome looking fish

Yes, that's the tank they keep them in. I believe all their tanks are planted and fish are quarantined. This particular store only ever carries electric blues and wild rams as they don't get in good batches of any other type... Raising the temp is no problem and I can move the honey gourami back into the QT or in my 40 breeder or rehome him.

It's also a pretty calm tank as well. When I first got the kuhlis they would glass surf like clockwork every night but now that they've been in there for over a year they've settled down and are a little more retiring and only come out for food.

I'd also love to be able to get a pair. I love dwarf cichlids so much, i'd love to see that activity. I hope they like the tank (the kuhlis definitely do!). There's lots of little dark spots to hang out in under all the plants.

 

Yes, that's the tank they keep them in. I believe all their tanks are planted and fish are quarantined. This particular store only ever carries electric blues and wild rams as they don't get in good batches of any other type... Raising the temp is no problem and I can move the honey gourami back into the QT or in my 40 breeder or rehome him.

It's also a pretty calm tank as well. When I first got the kuhlis they would glass surf like clockwork every night but now that they've been in there for over a year they've settled down and are a little more retiring and only come out for food.

I'd also love to be able to get a pair. I love dwarf cichlids so much, i'd love to see that activity. I hope they like the tank (the kuhlis definitely do!). There's lots of little dark spots to hang out in under all the plants.

Sounds like you have a great fish store there, so go ahead and get a couple of those guys from them! If they avoid certain fish due too health concerns, it should mean the fish you do get are more likely to make it. I am certain the fish will love your tank, it has everything needed to make them feel safe and secure. Also it looks insanely awesome, how do you get it that awesome looking?

 

Sounds like you have a great fish store there, so go ahead and get a couple of those guys from them! If they avoid certain fish due too health concerns, it should mean the fish you do get are more likely to make it. I am certain the fish will love your tank, it has everything needed to make them feel safe and secure. Also it looks insanely awesome, how do you get it that awesome looking?

I hope so too! I'm SO excited. It's a very well known small store so they do take great care of their fish. Honestly regarding the tank, it's been through so many rescapes I can't count. It used to be a blackwater tank, then it wasn't but was kind of bare, then I slowly collected plants and put them where I thought they looked best. After not tinkering with it for so long, it's really started to look great on it's own with all the plants growing in. Thank you!

 

I hope so too! I'm SO excited. It's a very well known small store so they do take great care of their fish. Honestly regarding the tank, it's been through so many rescapes I can't count. It used to be a blackwater tank, then it wasn't but was kind of bare, then I slowly collected plants and put them where I thought they looked best. After not tinkering with it for so long, it's really started to look great on it's own with all the plants growing in. Thank you!

Well, I wish mine looked that good when they just sat . Good luck with your order, and once you get the fish in, please pay pics.

 

That is a good looking EBR .
I would shoot for a pair from them .
Like mentioned above it sounds like the store cares ..Hard to find that these days ..
If they even say they try it means they believe they have some understanding of how to sex the fish .That also is a very good sign IMO.
Most never make it to EBR portion of what sex is my ram ..Hard to get past the GBR round for so many !

 

That is a good looking EBR .
I would shoot for a pair from them .
Like mentioned above it sounds like the store cares ..Hard to find that these days ..
If they even say they try it means they believe they have some understanding of how to sex the fish .That also is a very good sign IMO.
Most never make it to EBR portion of what sex is my ram ..Hard to get past the GBR round for so many !

Hey, it's a game show? Nobody told me this! That means that I could..........win absolutely no money because I'm terrible at this. Someone could win big though, I'm sure