Rabbit And Mystery Snails Ill?

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  1. BettaCrew

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    I do 25% water changes every other week. I used to not be so good with that. I also thought I was doing such a great thing by using distilled water..... I've learned I was not doing a good thing and now am using RO water since my tap has ammonia. I've been told that's why the pH was off. Each tank has a quarter size piece of cuttlebone in it now. I don't have a gh, kh, or tds test kit..... I'm not a millionaire here. I use an api master freshwater test kit.

    Tap
    Nitrite .3
    kh 4.5
    ph 7.7-7.6
    ammonia 1

    Fluval edge 6g (3 rabbits, 4 amano shrimp, 1 nerite)

    nitrite 0 >0
    nitrate 5-6> now 10
    kh 1.5 > now x
    ph 6.5-7 >now 7.8
    ammonia 0 > now 0
    gh x > now x
    temp 80

    Fluval chi 5g (mystery snail, 4 amano shrimp, 1 chopstick snail, 1 nerite)

    ph 6.0-6.5 maybe 6.3 or 6.4 > now 7.8
    kh less than . 5 > now x
    nitrite 0 > now 0
    nitrate 0 > now 40-80
    ammonia 0 > now 0
    gh x > now x
    temp 80

    Seachem alkaline buffer used to bring pH where it should be. New aquaclear 20 filter placed 1 month ago in chi with as much old filter media from the chi filter as I could fit.

    Everyone was doing great... except my rabbit snails (3) and mystery snails (2). First, it was the rabbits and then the mysteries. They act like they are coming out and then go back and then they sit open like they are coming out and just stay the never fully coming out. The 2 remaining rabbits (one died last night) haven't eaten in weeks (appx 4) and do not smell. The mystery hasn't eaten in a week. It did scavenge off of ther mystery that did die before I could get it out of the tank. I seem to have tiny seed shrimp in the tank now. The snails in question reside in different tanks.

    I've been told to try pimafix since I noticed a slimy white goober that sways in the current and is attached to the opening of one snail.
     
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    Your tap has ammonia and nitrite? Are you located in the US? That is nasty.
    As far as why the snails are ill, I'm sure it has to do with the hardness of the water. They never do well in soft water, unfortunately.
     
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    How do I harden it?
     
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    I believe adding crushed coral to the filter is the usual method, but I've never done it as my tap water is good.
    I think @Wraithen or @Skavatar should be able to better assist you with this sort of thing.
     
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    I treated a gallon of prime treated tap and only put in about 3 cups. Since my water is hard... maybe it'll help? Where on earth do I find crushed coral? I live in central TX.
     
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    So, your tap water has ammonia and nitrite and you live in the US? Is it well water? That's really odd...
     
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    I live in the city. I don't think it's well water. I should ask my landlord. I think it's so gross. I try to drink a lot of water using a brita filter but as a nurse... it just makes me cringe a bit.

    Ya know...kh isn't hardness.... maybe I shouldn't have put the treated tap in the tanks. This is a bit overwhelming because I want to do it right. I really like my rabbit snails.

    Or is it?
     
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    KH and GH are part of hardness. I think KH is cardbonate hardness and GH is general hardness. KH helps keep the levels steady, if it is at a good level.
     
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    I found a strip test kit for gh and kh... do you guys recommend the strips or are they not good?
     
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    They aren't accurate, unfortunately.
     
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    What about if I put this "Top Fin Aquarium Crushed Coral Gravel" in a bag inside the filter? There's only one brand available in any local fish stores unless I drive an hour. I also have the alkaline buffer from seachem.

    What test kits do you recommend for a budget since my LFS doesn't seem to have the test to do them for free.
     
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    Am I looking for test strips or liquid?

    Apparently all stores around me do not have seachem equilibrium in stock....
     
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    the API GH KH test kit is liquid. seems like they went up to $7-8 on ebay since I bought mine a few months ago.

    you can try ebay or amazon or any online pet stores.
     
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    I found seachem equilibrium online through Amazon prime. It should be at my home tomorrow.

    I found the liquid gh/kh on prime as well. Should be here tomorrow as well.

    Texas holey rock is expensive! Not quite ready to dish out that much at the moment. Any other rock alternatives other than crushed coral? I can make the crushed coral happen if I order it online if the top fin crushed coral isn't recommended. I can also pick up some more cuttlebone if recommended. I do have alkaline buffer on hand and put some in during the weekend (no fish in tank at the time).
     
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    top fin crushed coral is fine.
     
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    should not have salt in it since its safe to use in freshwater tank.

    either one works. which ever is cheaper for you.
     
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    Excellent. I got the one with aragonite. The gh/kh test kit and equilibrium are scheduled to arrive tomorrow.

    Edge Gh 5 Kh 6
    Chi Gh 3 Kh 4

    No wonder the mystery snail in the chi is so unhappy.
     
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    To raise the gh in the chi, I would mix 0.75tsp with some water from the tank. That should be the correct dose if 1 tbsp is used for every 20 gallons. Can someone double check my math? I know I have to do this slowly so I may have to repeat this quite a bit.

    According to aquaticarts.com, mystery snails apparently need kH 12-18; gH 8-18. They also say rabbit snails need kh 2-15. Rabbitsnails.com says they need gh 6-7 and kh 5-6.

    Would the 0.75 tsp of equilibrium cause to much of a change in water parameters to quickly and thus over-stress my critters? Maybe do half of the dose?
     
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