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You can get around that by feeding to your new stock levels for about a week before adding the new fish.Rcslade124 said:I do I put it all through filter now but don't shut it off. But I am trying to not use it until I add more fish
Adding prime yes, bad idea. But Safe start is just bottled bacteria and will die after a few days in the water column if it doesn't attach to anything. Why would water changes do anything to it?jdhef said:Do not do a water change!!!
Your readings are about where I would expect 2 or 3 days in. You need to give SafeStart a full 14 days to cycle the tank. If you do a water change or add Prime the SafeStart will fail.
This is why it is recommended not to test your water for the 14 days SafeStart needs to cycle a tank. The readings can make you panic and do something that will cause the TSS to fail
0.5 ammonia isn't going to kill the fish but if it gets higher then that I would do a small water change like 20 percent for safety and continue doing them every few days until the tank is fully cycled and at safe levels.Rcslade124 said:There is fish in already I have already ruined that part. So that's why I worry about any spikes hurting the fish. But I'm going to wait and check water every couple days unless I see any stress signs. I'm just nervously trying to make this good for the fish
The only problem(s) I see with that statement is that it completely contradicts the statements by Seachem about their product. So, who do you believe? It also isn't listed on the Tetra SS product use guidelines provided on the product NOT to use the ingredients that are in Prime along with TSS in a tank.jdhef said:
I suggest leaving your pH alone for now. It's perfect for cycling a tank and fine for most tropical fish. It may drop naturally a little after your tank cycles.Rcslade124 said:
- Well I have loaded a lot of start chemicals into the tank. The 20 gallon I added a large bottle of safestart plus. Let it sit 4 days. Did a 10% water change added a bottle of another start product. 2 days later 25% and a small bottle of safe start.but haven't seen nitrites yet. I have a little high ph. Like 7.8. My tap tested .25 ammonia n 7.8 ph. I am thinking about using a water filter or buying distilled water for changes. I am waiting before I touch anything for atleast another 24 hrs. Hopefully I get some nitrites. I do have 1 amazon sword in the tank I think its helping some. I am trying to just keep the fish happy. I am already convinced I have about 3 weeks before I start stocking. I am going to get prime and use it after the next 24hrs is up if I see nitrites. Note to self faithless cycles from now on.
That sounds fine. I don't think anyone has mentioned this but it's known on fishlore--the thing about TSS is you may never see nitrites in a tank it's used in. Although the manufacturer won't disclose the species of nitrifying bacteria used in TSS (nitrosomonas oxidizes ammonia and nitrobacter oxidizes nitrites), the absence of a nitrite spike when using TSS suggests that there probably is some nitrobacter in TSS. It's in this way that TSS can significantly shorten the time it takes to cycle a tank.Rcslade124 said:Ok I'll watch for spikes In nitrites and then I'll start prime keeping combined at 1ppm. And hopefully on the homestretch
I don't know how much time and money SeaChem puts into making sure their product doesn't cause SafeStart to fail. But I do believe that Tetra did spend the time and money to find that any water conditioner that removes chloramines (not just Prime) will cause their product to fail. I mean Tetra (sorta) crated the product and one would think that they would know more about TSS then SeaChem does. But like I said, it's not just Prime that will cause the TSS to fail, it's any water conditioner that removes chloramines, and as far as I know all water conditioners remove chloramines. But I suppose if you were sure you didn't have chloramines in your water and could find a water conditioner that does not remove chloramines, you could use that and not have to wait the 24 hours before adding TSSMomgoose56 said:The only problem(s) I see with that statement is that it completely contradicts the statements by Seachem about their product. So, who do you believe? It also isn't listed on the Tetra SS product use guidelines provided on the product NOT to use the ingredients that are in Prime along with TSS in a tank.
If indeed Tetra does put ammonia in their product, why isn't it listed in the MSD for their product?
TSS also says this: "SafeStart Plus will finish the cycle within a few days, depending on where you are with it, how many fish you have and how much you are feeding" and we all know that's not true. I have yet to see any tank "finish the cycle within a few days" after using TSS. They also state "If fish are added at a proper rate, along with the SafeStart Plus, they won't experience any spikes in ammonia or nitrite." That too we know isn't true. Based on every single person I've advised and seen other people advise on this site, I've seen 0 (zero) people who have not had an ammonia spike after adding TSS regardless of when they've used it during their cycle.
So, I guess the decision to use a product comes down to this: do you base using a product purely on what a manufacture who sells it and claims the product does? Or do you use a product based on what your own investigation, experience, common sense and science, prove that it does?