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I'm not an expert, but from what i've read, you micorwave it for a little bit to thaw it, then you peel it, and you just cut a small portion... about half the size of the fish's eye, and feed it that way... I do not know how many pieces you are supposed to give though.
 

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Their tummy is the size of their eye and we do not want to stuff him so we take a piece half the size of his eye and cut it in about 3 pieces (tiny I know) and feed those 3 pieces.  Then they can have 3 more pieces that size for a second meal the first day and then he should be able to go back to his regular food as long as he gets 2 or 3 pea "treats" like this a week. Put the pea on a plate in the microwave for 30 seconds and just defrost it not cooked. (no water) then take the peeling off and use the center part. I know it is a lot of waste unless you pop the rest of it in your mouth and chew it down.

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OK, I will do that. I started fasting him last night. Everytime I went up to him to watch him he came to me and looked at me as if to say,"Are you going to feed me?" I felt kind of bad, but it's for his own good. His tail I think is starting to make progress too. ;D Natalie
 

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I know when I had to do that with one of the girls, I felt like I had just about sunk as low as I could go. They do forgive easily after they start getting their way again. Those are my only words of comfort.

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I do agree about the Wardley's. My bettas cannot even get them INTO their mouths.

The reason that I did not mention the peas is that most flakes do have vegetable material in them but they can still be overdone. I am now wondering if you should not do as Phloxface has suggested and at least try him on the pea routine. It is a good insurance policy for little bettas who love their food. I know that it is a hassle, but believe me, when you have a constipated betta it is not something that you will like. It will usually happen all of a sudden and can be very bad. If her fish can become constipated and I know that she DOES feed them peas, then it can happen to anyone. Once a fish has become constipated they will do so again and some of them never get the opportunity to do so unfortunately. I hate to be the trumpet of doom but overfeeding is probably responsible for more bettas dying than disease. I am aware of how easy it is to fall into the trap of looking into their little pleading eyes and thinking another piece wouldn't hurt, but it can and has. A betta that is constipated dies a horrible and painful death and does not understand why. If they were injured or had been fighting I believe they would understand their deaths, but to die because we have been "too kind" to them is not only hard on them but makes our grief over their deaths much worse.

I do realize that I may have been a bit melodramatic there, but constipation is VERY serious and they may look like they are doing fine, even like they are pooing but some can poo and still be constipated. The bowel is filling and letting very little waste through. This is something that you cannot tell by looking at them. This is why I think the peas will help.

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This is such an important post. The way you described this really, really gets the point home. Zen has wiggled his way into a bite or two here and there so I'm glad that you shared even the emotional triggers. I would just love to share this throughout the forums I visit if I could have permission to do so, either with or without the url to this thread, whichever you'd prefer I'd do. It made an impact on me. I've read it 3 times and had my boyfriend read it. I think it would make an impact on many. Well shared ((Rose)) Thank you! This post will help the Bettas. May I pass this along and in which manner?

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I've tried the HikarI Pellets. I tried them for 2 weeks and the whole 2 weeks he refused to eat them. He'd take them in his mouth and then spit it out. He is a very picky eater. So I just stick with the flakes and the blood worms and shrimp and he's happy. I don't have any peas, so I'll have to go out buy some. I did try a pea with him once and he out right refused to eat it, but I will get some more and try again. So only get the frozen kind? I don't usually buy peas because my husband doesn't like them, I do, but I find it to be a waist of money to buy them if I'm the only one eating them. I guess Mr. Red and I will be eating them now. Natalie
An idea that might trick Mr. Red into eating the pea...

If you handle the shrimp first, you wouldn't have to feed it to him, just handle it (especially frozen brine shrimp cause it's soo smelly to them) and then handle the bit of pea before you give it to him, he might chomp down and swallow before he realizes it wasn't his beloved shrimp   

((Mr. Red))

oops, should have read on first. Didn't see that Rose had given you a hint until I'd posted.
 

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That is okay, the more hints the better. After all, what these little ones don't think of isn't worth thinking of some days and it is sometimes all I can do to keep ahead of them.

I am up with Marty again so thought I would check in and found your post.

Yes, I am okay with you using the link to the forum as long as the other forum administrator is not going to be upset by it. Some of them do not like having other forums mentioned in theirs. We have the notion that if there is something that is helpful that is okay.

I do not mind you using the information however it strikes you as long as you find it appropriate.

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I don't have the frozen shrimp. I have the freeze dried shrimp. I read that the freeze dried shrimp and the freeze dried blood worms are healthier because of the l treatment that they are put through that made them freeze dried and are pretty much rid of any diseases that may come with the frozen ones. Will that work with the freeze dried ones. If it does I will try it.
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An idea that might trick Mr. Red into eating the pea...

If you handle the shrimp first, you wouldn't have to feed it to him, just handle it (especially frozen brine shrimp cause it's so smelly to them) and then handle the bit of pea before you give it to him, he might chomp down and swallow before he realizes it wasn't his beloved shrimp
 

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The idea is to clean them out of the other foods and since you are using the freeze dried foods I do not think they have enough odor. I have heard that they love garlic though although I do not know for certain so if you have a bit of garlic juice to dip it in maybe, but since he is not used to it, maybe you should just stick to the straight pea or you will have to do this every time to get him to eat it. They usually will eat them fine if they are not just chuck full of food from the stuff they like to stuff their little faces with.

Let me know how it goes. He will be okay I promise.

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I'm not really worried about it. I don't think that he's even constipated, but I know that it should be done whether they are constipated or not, just so that they don't get constipated. He's looking so much better now and so much healthier. All of the white spots that were on him are completely gone. He still has a full week to go though before I can slowly put the temp back to 82 degrees to make sure the ICK is dead. His tail is starting to show regrowth and he no longer is keeping them clamped which is a really good sign. That tells me that he is feeling much better. Oh and his cloud eye and pop eye are finally completely gone too. I am so glad they I am finally getting my healthy beautiful red Betta back. I'm wondering if maybe I just should've increased the temp to 85 in the first place because that's what's making everything heal plus keeping his tank as clean as possible with out getting rid of the" good" bacteria. I'm so excited and extremely happy about all of this. If it weren't for Rose and some of the other members on here helping me I would've just given up. Thank you so much for your help!!! Natalie
 
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I just gave Mr. Red his first pea and he attacked it like it was his food. ;D He gobbled it right up. So I will give him another one tomorrow morning and he should be good. Thanks again for all of the help. Natalie
 

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See, all that is necessary is for them to be hungry. ;D I am so happy that he is doing better and feeling more like the little man that you brought home. You are indeed going to end up with a healthier betta than you had before.

Yes, the temperature raise at the beginning may have made a difference as ICH is a cool water disease. Bettas are for some reason more likely to pick up the cool water problems and constipation than a lot of other fish. That is why it is so surprising to me that people think that they can live in those bowls, they are some of the least likely to make it.

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It also cleared up his cloud eye and pop eye . He's had that for as long as he had the problem with his tail. Once I increased it to treat the ICH the rest of his conditions cleared up too. Natalie
 
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Mr. Red's tail is looking better and better everyday. It's finally starting to grow back. All of that hard work and patience is finally paying off. ;D As soon as his tail is completely grown back or at least half way grown back I will take some pictures of him and show everyone. I haven't showed him off yet. ;D Natalie
 

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((Rose)) Yeah, it's just such a great post about such a common Betta problem and a serious one. I will be careful to share that where it's ok to and w/the link to it. It's been nice being able to see the proof of Zen not being constipated (no gravel in the 2 gal he's still in...tank almost done, will be posting w/a question on that in another thread too) Thank you

((Natalie)) I am so happy that Mr. Red has improved so much. There's light at the end of the tunnel for you both.

There's good news all over this forum
 

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