Please Read, Stop Global Warming!!!!!!!!!

(HI guys this topic is a li'l big but pls read.............. :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ thanx)
We don't know about u but the current weather shifts in our country (Bangladesh) r driving us nuts. One morning it's rain, rain, rain; a few days later it's all about the unbearable summer heat, with Igloo lollies melting precisely in minutes. Most of us choose to blame God for every little thing that goes wrong in our lives. However, the root of the problem lies inside a man-made disaster on Mamma Earth, namely Global Warming.

Feeling hot during summer? Well, it's only going to get much hotter. With more ice melting, less UV rays r reflected back and r absorbed into the waters causing rising ocean temperatures, and also rising global temperature. A higher ocean temperature causes stronger hurricanes. Hurricanes, cyclones, typhoons r technically the same thing; except they have different names depending on the oceans from which they originate.

Category 5 is the strongest and used to very rare, until 2005 five of them conceived and shook the earth. While Katrina was the most publicized, Japan had a record of 10 typhoons in 2006. We had seen an unusual sudden low depression turning a devastating storm in September, 2006 killing thousands of fishermen in Bangladesh. We r also risking the lives of penguins, polar bears, seals and other endangered species.

This sounds unbelievable but u CAN help in changing all of this. Whenever u raise your voice to support "Stop Global Warming" campaigns, u're stepping out from a crowd of unaware and ignorant people. Every time u plant a tree u're making a small, yet significant difference in the Earth's ecological balance. Travel in CNG-driven vehicles to make sure your transport isn't emitting any harmful gases. Encourage your friends, neighbors, families to plant more trees.

Hard to believe but true if we step up now, we might be able to save our mamma earth before it's too late to make a difference. After all we have only one. As Captain Planet had said, 'The Power is yours!'

 

hey guys, u can express your thoughts about Global Warming.

 

Maybe I should look into it more. This seems to be a big discussion on the internet nowadays. I believe its just a story and its not gonna happen.

 

Sort of related ... for all those that said that an electric car couldn't be sexy, Tesla Motors is trying very hard to prove you wrong! Saw an article on this car the other day, and it looks like it might become quite popular.

 

I think it is a very real problem that entirely too many people are unwilling to look at objectively. They have convinced themselves there is nothing to worry about, and my fear is that by the time enough people come around to effect change, it will be too late for us to do anything other than get fitted for toe tags.

 

Sort of related ... for all those that said that an electric car couldn't be sexy, Tesla Motors is trying very hard to prove you wrong! Saw an article on this car the other day, and it looks like it might become quite popular.

very nice car and I love the idea of alternate fuels to oil (which we should have switched to about 40 years ago if not for oil company greed and politicans of all parties being corrupt).

 

Sort of related ... for all those that said that an electric car couldn't be sexy, Tesla Motors is trying very hard to prove you wrong! Saw an article on this car the other day, and it looks like it might become quite popular.

For the low low price of $98,000 without any options... Very popular with us "average joes"

 

Popular in the way that very very very expensive luxury sports cars are? And yes, yes, I didn't mean popular with everyone, but definitely popular for an electric sports car, compared to how popular electric sports cars have been in the past. Yeesh!

Besides, this is just their first release. They've started with the most expensive, and are working their way back down. Next will be a still-very-expensive-but-not-quite-so-outrageous sports sedan, and then if that goes well, there's apparently a much more reasonable third model in the works.

I think for financing reasons, it was easier to start with the development of the expensive car and work backwards from there, letting each success fund the development of the next vehicle.

 

hey guys, u can express your thoughts about Global Warming.

<b>Global Warming is happening as we live today, maybe not our generation, but what about our kids? Its absolutely wrong to think "well..as long as it doesn't happen before I die then I don't care." Its a really selfish thought, people...earth doesn't belong to us...we belong to earth..

 

Freedom of expression is a wonderfull thing - and typing in bold or ALL IN CAPS really helps make others aware of the strength of an opinion. The great thing about forums is that all opinions are equal and ought to be freely expressed without fear of ridicule. I just love forums!

Now, as to the mythical 'cure for global warming'.

I am neither contesting that is is or is not happenning or will/won't happen... but please consider the 'solutions' being offerred to us:

• Electric power: Storage devices still require mining for metals and the use of plastics - the machinery used in the process of manufacture of these devices and their batteries produce (and always will) far more hazardous waste than their finished product will ever save. This not even accounting for the disposal of the required batteries which will leech out toxins eventually causing far more contamination.
• Biofuels: Burning vegetable oil is a wonderfull alternative to burning crude oil since it's a renewable resource and not dependent on mining and worse, political relationships with producing countries! Almost any country capable of growing crops can make biofuel - unfortunatly we're concerned about the planet here, not just how much fuel we have and where to get it from. Combustion engines invariably exhaust chemicals that are harmfull to the environment, and to use the cliche "but it's less harmfull is trully choosing to remain ignorant. As long as we're producing toxic waste faster than the ecosystem can process it we're just too many fish in too small a tank - Nitrates might be less toxic than nitrites, but if we're not doing water changes we're still gonna kill the fish. Water changes for us are unfortunately not an option.

The only solution I can think of is unpalatable and politically suicidal because as I said, our fish tank is too full. In my opinion (remember equality now ) the only true way to stop damaging the environment and killing ourselves as a race is to think in terms of the race rather than individual comforts - to immediatly stop the production of and use of electricity and petroleum products. Reverting back to purely mechanical devices operated by human effort with the possible exceptions of animal driven vehicles and water wheels. As I said, this would result in the deaths of millions and is possibly the most unpleasant thing to consider, but then again so is the alternative.

Of course we will never choose this path for ourselves, we will continue to debate, form committees and implement 50 year 'future initiatives' to 'reduce harmfull emissions' until we run out of clean water and then the natural cycle will simply remove us from the equation. This is of course assuming that the good Lord does not step in before we completly destroy His creation.

 

This is our 2nd thread on 'global warming' and my thoughts on this thing is that it's so steeped in politics and we have so little understanding of global weather patterns over a true amount of time that it smacks of typical human arrogance to say that we are so smart that we can be certain either way that we understand all there is to about the weather patterns of our mudball, the effects the weather patterns of our star have on our weather and how long a complete cycle of our changing-orbit around the sun takes. people were awfully certain of the earth being flat and the sun moving around it at a not-so-distant time.

what if the sun has a cycle of heat generation? what if the earth really does alter orbit over tens of thousands of years, slowly moving into colder and hotter periods? what if our weather pattern is a cycle of slowly going hot then cold over & over & over? I believe keeping an open mind to all the possibilities and not taking what we're spoon-fed by self-declared experts, celebrities, politicians and everyone else with some agenda says.. strip the politics, emotions and hype away and look at the facts with an understanding that we're still pretty ignorant to the complexities of our planet.

that being said, I also think it's completely ridiculous that we're still using fossil fuels like oil.. I mean, come on.. do you really think that in the last hundred years we could go from using a slide rule to having computers that can do trillions of calulations in a second and yet we still need the same fuel source? does it really make sense that technology can advance so much in a century, yet our cars still depend on the same fuel source? by now, we should be pouring water from our tank changes into the car for fuel.. and maybe only every few years. hydrogen is clean, abundant, the fuel of the universe and we sit here like monkeys at a typewriter sucking up something as noxious and inefficient as oil.

I look at greed for holding us back scientifically and ecologically.. greed of the huge oil companies and the politicians of every flavor that they buy into submission so they can crush any threat to their fuel dominance. I applaud efforts to move away from oil like Tesla and their line of electric cars that don't embarrass owners into a witness protection program, it's a good step, but what the human race a true international effort to use the fuel that is covering our planet, in our air and just about anywhere in the universe even if it means the downfall of the oil companies and their pet politicians of all parties in our countries.

it's the first step to cleaning up the mess we've made of the environment and whatever effect, great or small, that the human race has had on the weather pattern of our planet.

 

LOL I love it! Bill Gates and General Motors recently had a similar discussion, it reads as follows:

For all of us who feel only the deepest love and affection for the way computers have enhanced our lives, read on.
At a recent computer expo (COMDEX), Bill Gates reportedly compared the computer industry with the auto industry and stated, "If GM had kept up with technology like the computer industry has, we would all be driving $25.00 cars that got 1,000 miles to the gallon."
In response to Bill's comments, General Motors issued a press release stating: If GM had developed technology like Microsoft, we would all be driving cars with the following characteristics (and I just love this part):
1. For no reason whatsoever, your car would crash........ Twice a day.
2. Every time they repainted the lines in the road, you would have to buy a new car.
3. Occasionally your car would die on the freeway for no reason. You would have to pull to the side of the road, close all of the windows, shut off the car, restart it, and reopen the windows before you could continue. For some reason you would simply accept this.
4. Occasionally, executing a maneuver such as a left turn would cause your car to shut down and refuse to restart, in which case you would have to reinstall the engine.
5. Macintosh would make a car that was powered by the sun, was reliable, five times as fast and twice as easy to drive - but would run on only five percent of the roads.
6. The oil, water temperature, and alternator warning lights would all be replaced by a single "This Car Has Performed An Illegal Operation" warning light.
7. The airbag system would ask "Are you sure?" before deploying.
8. Occasionally, for no reason whatsoever, your car would lock you out and refuse to let you in until you simultaneously lifted the door handle, turned the key and grabbed hold of the radio antenna.
9. Every time a new car was introduced car buyers would have to learn how to drive all over again because none of the controls would operate in the same manner as the old car.
10. You'd have to press the "Start" button to turn the engine off.

 

Yes, PPK u're right; many people r completely ignorant about and some people completely avoid the fact 'Global Warming', scientists have found holes in our ozone layer through which harmful rays of the sun r coming into our atmosphere, all these r happening because of too much CO2 that we humans r creating in our air, Global Warming is not a story.........it has scientific proof, our icebergs r melting in the Antarctica and north pole because of the high temperature, many of our cities will be under the sea level within 30-50 years, so I think we should start thinking of how to prevent Global Warming right now otherwise some day will come when the future generation will find it too late........

 

Biofuels: Burning vegetable oil is a wonderfull alternative to burning crude oil since it's a renewable resource and not dependent on mining and worse, political relationships with producing countries! Almost any country capable of growing crops can make biofuel - unfortunatly we're concerned about the planet here, not just how much fuel we have and where to get it from. Combustion engines invariably exhaust chemicals that are harmfull to the environment, and to use the cliche "but it's less harmfull is trully choosing to remain ignorant. As long as we're producing toxic waste faster than the ecosystem can process it we're just too many fish in too small a tank - Nitrates might be less toxic than nitrites, but if we're not doing water changes we're still gonna kill the fish. Water changes for us are unfortunately not an option.

Yes, biofuel does still produce CO, CO2, and other waste products. However, by nature, it's production also helps clean these products out of the air. It may not be perfect, but it is better than petroleum. Anything that is better is a step. And in the case of using prairie grass in place of coal for electricity production, the CO2 "footprint" that is left is actually negative. The grass consumes more CO2 in its life than is released when it's burned.
I agree with you on the "too many fish" problem. China figured it out. It's too bad we can't learn a lesson from them, we've got to learn it for ourselves. So many people having three or four kids. Some having nine or ten. If every major country instituted policies like China (one kid, you get a tax break, two kids, nothing, three or more kids, you get a tax penalty), the damage could be further slowed.
Too may people have the "it's too much work, so we shouldn't even bother" syndrome. It is this that is going to destroy the Earth. Apathy is the greatest enemy that we face.

You skipped over a number of other ideas, not one of which, by itself, can fix the problem. Altogether, though, they can, at least, make a dent.
Mass Transit: Yes, it still requires power, but the total power consumption per person is much less than individual cars. America needs to make driving the privilege it is, instead of a right. But to do this, effective mass-transit systems need to be in place.
Fuel Cells: Hydrogen, which does have the problem of taking a large quantity of energy to produce, burns clean. There are also bio-fuel cells. These operate on bacteria producing energy as they consume organic material.
Solar Power: Yes, you've got to mine for elements to make the panels etc... etc... but you've also got to mine for coal. But then, you burn coal, then have to dispose of the solid waste. Solar panels, on the other hand, continue making electricity long after the same amount of mined coal has been burned. Once the solar panels stop producing energy (20-25 years later), they can be recycled and made into new panels.
Wind Power: Even cheaper to produce than solar power, though it, of course, has problems of its own.
And there's more, much more.

The BBC used the massive computing power of thousands of PCs around the world to create one big supercomputer and guage the way the Earth's weather patterns are heading. By 2080, according to this computer's calculations, if we haven't started making major changes, there will be major changes. NASA is already noting that the ice at both poles is growing far less and melting earlier in the warm seasons. I've seen the pictures, not illustrations, but photographs. It's not pretty. If they melt enough, everything that we know about the Earth will change. One inch of ocean depth can translate to a foot or more of land, and there's a lot of water in that ice.

 

I like the new thingie's) any way I live in texas and for the last month it has done nothing but rian. That is very unusual around here this time of year...but last year it broke record highs.I'm not really into or sure if that's what's going on but would like to know more and how I could even help out what could I do?..Bell

 

I sometimes feel sad for my friends, they have the "why does it matter, even if I tried to help it won't even make a difference because everybody else are just gonna continue on what they're doing, I won't make a difference myself."
and all these can add up to a huge number...

 

Oh god, didn't we already go thru this???
OK, I'll voice my opinion agail, but I'll be brief.

Yes, the planet is warming... but humans don't have a thing to do with it. Search thru history, the planet warms, then it cools... rinse, repeat..
I'm sick of hearing about it, it's become the biggest political joke in years! Suddenly politicians and hollywood syncophants that no-one would trust for a second are now experts... EXPERTS... in global climate patterns? You must be kidding me! The greatest scientists have been studying the environment for centuries and are just starting to scratch the surface... you expect a political hack like Al Gore suddenly knows more???
All of you that put so much faith in Mother Ghia sure don't give her much credit... she can handle the very SMALL changes we might make in the environment. Compaired to the ocasional supervolcano or asteroid, we humans are NOTHING to her!!!

 

Oh god, didn't we already go thru this???
OK, I'll voice my opinion agail, but I'll be brief.

Yes, the planet is warming... but humans don't have a thing to do with it. Search thru history, the planet warms, then it cools... rinse, repeat..
I'm sick of hearing about it, it's become the biggest political joke in years! Suddenly politicians and hollywood syncophants that no-one would trust for a second are now experts... EXPERTS... in global climate patterns? You must be kidding me! The greatest scientists have been studying the environment for centuries and are just starting to scratch the surface... you expect a political hack like Al Gore suddenly knows more???
All of you that put so much faith in Mother Ghia sure don't give her much credit... she can handle the very SMALL changes we might make in the environment. Compaired to the ocasional supervolcano or asteroid, we humans are NOTHING to her!!!

I'm not sure where you acquired this scientific knowledge, but, based on the research of hundreds of scientists (not politicians, movie stars, or singers, but actual scientists) it is wrong. Year after year, we pump out as much carbon as any supervolcano can produce. The fact that heat bubbles are appearing around our cities is a sign that your claim that we can't affect the world's climate is wrong, as well. When a huge storm cell gets pushed aside from a major metropolitan area, you have to know that something is happening.
This is not a political joke. In fact, it has nothing to do with politics. I said it before and I'll say it again, I heard about this long before I ever heard a politician say a word about it. Meteorologists and geologists have been talking about it for years and years. Based on samples that they have taken from ice and mineral deposits around the world, they are discovering a large amount of toxins and carbon that has been building up quickly (as far as the Earth's history goes), yet there has been no supervolcano, no major asteroid impact, no major natural disaster to pump these carbons into the air. The oceans have expended their ability to absorb CO2, something that scientists are saying hasn't happened since the last enormous volcano eruption. No major natural disaster, and yet the oceans can't hold any significant portion of CO2 anymore. Where did this excess CO2 come from? Has there been a major asteroid impact that I didn't hear about?
Likewise, the Earth's greatest filters, plants, have indeed been severely affected by our actions. The amount of deforestation we have caused can be seen from space. A gigantic area of Africa is nearly devoid of plant life because mankind dammed up a single river. This is not a harmless action, this is a lack of plants across millions, if not billions, of acres.
Sure, the politicians have jumped in (on both sides of the fence) trying to sway people to vote for them, but I ignore them. I don't listen to what they say, but I sure do tell them what I want them to do, and I pay attention to their actions (how they vote, what they support, etc...).
The one thing I do agree with you on is that we are insignificant in regards to the Earth. We are an infection. There are critters and plants that will survive, even if we kill each other with nukes. I think that what is happening now is the equivalent of the Earth getting a fever. A fever is not really a symptom of a disease, it is a person's body trying to make itself inhospitable to invading bacteria. I believe that if we don't reduce our impact on Mother Earth, she will just wipe us out. Unfortunately, this kind of reaction often harms the body itself. Think of how crappy you feel after you get sick. Most of that is just your body recovering from resources lost in fighting the infection.
Once we are gone, the Earth will have time and ability to heal. If that's what it takes, then so be it, but I think that we can get along with the Earth. I think that we can turn things around before it comes to that.

 

Global warming has not become a hot topic because politicians are claiming to be experts. It has become a hot topic because the scientists who ARE experts have been jumping up and down for years now trying to get peoples attention that we have a problem. Now, the politicians are finally beginning to listen and discuss the issue. Isn't that what they are supposed to do?

Sure, the earth itself is in no danger. It will go on as it always has. That is not the point. As George Carlin so eloquently put it, "The planet is fine. Its the people that are %&*@ed." That pretty well captures my concern. I'd kinda like to not go extinct. Call me crazy.

I must say, those that want to so blithly claim that we are insignificant and are not impacting the environment really strike me as having their head buried in the sand. If you want to claim global warming is not happening, you need to have scientific data to back that claim. Unfortunately for your argument, the list of scientists who both agree with you and are truly independant (read as "not working for an oil company) has grown so short as to be laughable. For the scientific community, there is no longer much of a question as to "if" global warming is happening and "if" people are contributing. The vast majority say it does and we are. Perhaps those of us who are not experts ought to start listening to those who are. Again...call me crazy.

 

Since we're repeating ourselves... again... ok, so *if* we are to blame what are we going to do to STOP it? not slow it - not help it - according to the scientists+reporters we don't have another generation or two to fix the problem. Seriously? Are you going to immediatly cut off your electricity and stop using petrol? no? So what ARE you going to do about it? I know! Let's all jump up and down about it, and hold rock concerts and fly polluting air liners around the world to talk about it, until it's too late and we've poisoned ourselves into extinction.

 

OK, the problem as I see it is all of you who want to STOP the planet's environment from changing. Impossible... can't happen, get over it.
Wait, I have to agrue on thing sirdarksol said:

Year after year, we pump out as much carbon as any supervolcano can produce.

Dude, when the Toba Caldera in Indonesia blew up 70,000 years ago, the entire planet's human population dropped to under 10,000. To claim that we pump out the same amount of carbon as that monster year after year is ABSURD!
Anyway, my point is this, the earth's environment has shifteed and changed year after, century after century, eon after eon...etc.
It has never been stable, and whether it's a supervolcano or a chevy causing it, it WILL never be stable. To try and fix something we barely understand is like trying to fix an atomic weapon with an erector set. My biggest fear is some "expert environmental scientist" is going to try and fix the global warming problem by tampering with weather patterns and end up killing us all! OMG... are you guys that blind? It's the fools in power trying to convince everyone else that it's the end of the world that we need to fear!

 

Dude, when the Toba Caldera in Indonesia blew up 70,000 years ago, the entire planet's human population dropped to under 10,000. To claim that we pump out the same amount of carbon as that monster year after year is ABSURD!

This is incomplete logic. You are making the presumption that it was CO2 that caused those deaths. It wasn't. In fact, the cause of those deaths was likely the precise opposite of what we are talking about here. That was a concentration of ash in the air that blocked the sun from reaching the earth, keeping plants, the base source of energy in any ecosystem, from being able to grow.
Besides, even if we presume that it was CO2 that caused the problems, we are talking about a single belch of carbon that happened in some small amount of time (let's say between an hour and a week). It's like pouring ammonia into your fish tank. If you pour a single teaspoon in every day for a year, the bacteria colony probably could handle the influx (presuming that you do all the normal care, no more or less than you normally would to keep your fish alive). However, if you were to put 356 teaspoons in all at once, your water would be toxic for quite awhile before the colony could take care of that level of ammonia.

 

This argument doesn't stand up to logic...

It's like pouring ammonia into your fish tank. If you pour a single teaspoon in every day for a year, the bacteria colony probably could handle the influx (presuming that you do all the normal care, no more or less than you normally would to keep your fish alive). However, if you were to put 356 teaspoons in all at once, your water would be toxic for quite awhile before the colony could take care of that level of ammonia.

Since the motor vehicle (and similar polutants) were introduced gradually the 'biological filter' ought to have been able to keep up - which conclusion is the opposite of what the 'global warming' proponents are saying.

 

why has the hole in the ozone layer both grown and shrunk since we noticed it was there? did anyone notice it forming? how long has it been there? did the dinosaurs have it? did galileo have it when he committed heresy to say the earth wasn't the center of the universe?

 

why has the hole in the ozone layer both grown and shrunk since we noticed it was there? did anyone notice it forming? how long has it been there? did the dinosaurs have it? did galileo have it when he committed heresy to say the earth wasn't the center of the universe?

Without ozone layer we won't survive a single day on this planet buddy.....actually nothing would survive.
it protects us from the harmful UV rays of the sun.

 

Without ozone layer we won't survive a single day on this planet buddy.....actually nothing would survive.
it protects us from the harmful UV rays of the sun.

Thankyou Mr. Jacques Cousteau! I fail to see how your comment relates to the quote you used since FLBettaCouple was referring to the hole in it - not it's existence or its necessity...

 

Without ozone layer we won't survive a single day on this planet buddy.....actually nothing would survive.
it protects us from the harmful UV rays of the sun.

Thankyou Mr. Jacques Cousteau! I fail to see how your comment relates to the quote you used since FLBettaCouple was referring to the hole in it - not it's existence or its necessity...

well, FLB asked whether it existed during the time of Dinosaurs and Galileo. it isn't clear to me whether he asked about the hole or the ozone layer itself :-\

 

why has the hole in the ozone layer both grown and shrunk since we noticed it was there? did anyone notice it forming? how long has it been there? did the dinosaurs have it? did galileo have it when he committed heresy to say the earth wasn't the center of the universe?

i'm referring to the hole in the ozone layer, not the ozone layer itself.

 

Since the motor vehicle (and similar polutants) were introduced gradually the 'biological filter' ought to have been able to keep up - which conclusion is the opposite of what the 'global warming' proponents are saying.

1) the pollutants have not been introduced gradually. Geologically speaking, the we have been pumping into the atmosphere has been done overnight.

2) We cut down the "bio filter" and built Wal-Marts out of it.

 

Guys, the flaw in your logic is this:

CO2 is NOT pollution; it's PLANT FOOD!!!!!!

Unless we mass exterminate all the worlds forests (and there's some pretty hefty ones still left) the planet will be fine! Forests loev CO2. Yummy. As for the arguement that we've done it overnight in geological terms, that's true. But a supervolcano doesn't happen gradually either. And every time that or some random asteroid slmas down the planet recovers and moves on.
Now, while I'm not saying we do as much damage as a supervolcano, my point is this planet is pretty tough. It will adapt.
Come on guys, think! Basic biology 101. What happens when you pump more Co2 at a plant? ****, everyone with a CO2 injector knows this... It grows faster! Plants LOVE CO2. And the more it grows, the more it gobbles up. ****, if the CO2 levels are raising like you claim, then this should be a GOOD thing! All the forests we've damaged are going to grow back like crazy... in geological time. Or something will grow to take t it's place. You watch... Ma Nature is an oportunist... O2 levels go up, bugs get bigger, CO2 goes up, plants grow bettter. It's been happening for eons... it will keep happening. Granted, if it's because of us, then the cause is different... but the problem, geologically speaking, isn't!! And the planet will adapt. It's way bigger and tougher than you give it credit for, and "geologically speaking" we're way tinier and more insignificant than you like to think.

 

yes, perhaps CO2 makes plants grow better and bigger in size, but it sure doesn't increase the amount of trees and plants on earth, because trees sure doesn't replant itself....or does it, plus, trees can only grow so big, they don't just increase size just because there are more Co2 for them, its like us human can only grow so big, just because there are more burgers doesn't mean we'll continuely to get bigger. even if we plan more trees, the rate we're cutting trees down for paper comparing to the rate the trees that are growing isn't matched up...one more thing, how does bugs get bigger going to help global warming..?
and yes we've poisoned ourselves into extinction...

 

I hear you say we've poisoned ourselves into extinction, yet I go outside and it's beautiful.... hmmmmmmmm.
I remember when I was a kid the "experts" said we were going to pollute ourselves into another ice age... then it was acid rain, ozone hole, poison fish, over population, El Nino, etc... All supposed to distroy mankind. Now were back to global warming. Every 5 or 10 years the current panic of choice begins again, and every time about a year later it's disproved or just plain forgotten. And in the last 40 years, doesn't matter where in the world I was, it's always the same thing... I go outside and it's still my beautiful old earth. I just don't believe you guys anymore.

Plain and simple, you won't be able to change anyone. Whether you like it or not, the plain truth is people on this planet have it good. We have all these wonderful toys the make life fat and simple and no matter how much you preach, no-one is going to give them up. For example... what's the carbon footprint of that computer you're reading this on? How much energy and resources were used? How much carbon spewed into the air at the factory? How much power is it drawing now? Is that a green computer?
Are you willing to give up your PC (and all your other little energy waisting toys?) because the global temperature has gone up HALF A DEGREE???? This is why, no matter how much you yell and shout, all of this will go away in a year or so. Because we're hedonists, and we like it.

 

yea, i'd have to say there is a long-running history of alarmists predicting the doom of the planet over one thing or another and it really just smacks of personal agendas and political gains. a great way to get funds is to get enough people panicked over data turned to your favor. i'm still waiting to see an explanation for why the ozone layer hole doesn't just keep getting bigger but grows AND shrinks. if the evil human race and our mean pollution was eating away at the ozone layer, how do you explain that? I think the hole's been there a long time and is part of a big picture that isn't being seen.. it grows, it shrinks, life goes on, the world spins, it's all part of the cycle of this planet and it's star.

sure we need to have better fuel sources and certainly are being held back technologically in that area but i'd point the finger at the politicians crying about global warming while they pocket oil company money before our neighbors and everyday people just trying their best to make a living and get by in this life. I find it ironic at how much fossil fuel al gore and other celebrities use up flying around in private jets to whine about people using fossil fuels.. yea, they REALLY believe in global warming, huh?

 

Well, first off, you are reading much more into what I said than I actually said. For what it is worth, I agree the "poisoned ourselves into extinction" comment was over the top. I think a more moderate approach is both more realistic to what is happening and more likely to garner support for change. We do not need huge radical overnight changes...small individual decisions backed by development of new energy technologies will go a long ways. Unfortunately, to be effective, that approach requires all of us working together. When half of us choose not to play it sort of screws things up for everyone. Regardless, it is apparent that there are some of us on both sides of the argument whose minds are not going to be changed on this. It is sad to me that some can not have open enough minds to objectively look at the evidence of what is already occurring right in front of our faces and make a few logical connections. I think such entrenched "hands over the ears" attitudes do a great disservice to self and others. However, welcome to a free society I suppose. For those of you living in Florida, if you are wrong on this issue, you or your children may find yourselves moving inland in a couple of decades as sea levels rise. Don't worry...we'll leave a light on for you. At any rate, I am done on this one. As I stated when the first thread went around, I am here to enjoy the comments, experience, and company of others who enjoy keeping fish as much as I do. Not make enemies or raise my own blood pressure. :

 

No worries mate, I enjoy a good verbal every now and then... but you'd have to be pretty tightly wound to get upset over a few comments on a forum

I don't know about everyone else, but where I'm from you can be
all your life, and then for no apparent reason have a
one day... but once it's settled you're
again!

 

No worries mate, I enjoy a good verbal every now and then... but you'd have to be pretty tightly wound to get upset over a few comments on a forum

True. and Florida was completely under the ocean at one time until lowering ocean levels brought it up to be filled with condos and timeshares.

 

I saw a show in thailand about global warming and I said it would lead to a ice age extremeley complicated I can explain it if u want and y stop at global warming what about world hunger and poverty or restoring global peace and pochers I wanna join greenpeace i'm rebelling bringing back the hippy generation peace out
Callum!

 

At the risk of going off topic... has anyone ever noticed that non-conformist rebels always seem to conform to a stereotype?

 

At the risk of going off topic... has anyone ever noticed that non-conformist rebels always seem to conform to a stereotype?

what does that mean?lol

Peace Out Callum!

 

Florida was completely under the ocean at one time until lowering ocean levels brought it up to be filled with condos and timeshares.

Maybe the deposits left behind from it's time under the water somehow made the ground there more fertile for multi-dwelling housing? We should commission a study!