Please help with new RCS tank setup

Discussion in 'Cherry Shrimp' started by SnarkyXTS, Jun 26, 2016.

  1. SnarkyXTS

    SnarkyXTS Valued Member Member

    I'm hoping to setup a small RCS moderately planted RCS tank in 2 weeks but need advice on what size tank I should get. Is 5.5 gallon too small? I'd prefer staying under 10 gallons since I already have 5 fish tanks w/tropical fish (60g, 36g, 20g-community tropical, 10g & 5g-both fry grow out). How many shrimp should I start out with? Do I need to have a few nano fish to keep the tank cycled? I already have an extra sponge filter that has been seeded from my main tank that I plan to use. But is it better to have a small hob instead? My ph is 8.2, is that too hard or ok? Kh/gh is very high too. I plan on putting a small piece of driftwood & cholla wood in there along with CaribSea Tahitian moon sand as substrate. Any specific plants that RCS like in their tanks?Most likely putting 2-3 Anubias, 2 Marino moss balls, Java moss, as well as some other types of moss, maybe a few crypts... Is it better to go w/less plants? How about plastic plants or fake decor? Sorry for all the questions but I really want to have everything laid out & planned before I get my shrimp. Thanks for the help in advance
     
  2. Skyy2112

    Skyy2112 Valued Member Member

    This is an awesome plan! I'll start from the beginning. I personally run a tank, and we have a few other members. Bithimala is great.

    A 5.5 will work just fine, if you can I would suggest a 10 atleast. More water dilution.

    I would suggest starting with atleast a half dozen if not a dozen that look healthy, and a good M/F ratio. Maybe 1:1 or 1:2.

    Personally I dont keep any fish, shrimp/snails only. Never had issues w/ my cycle etc.

    Sponge > HOB. They eat off a good sponge, and the HOB will NEED a prefilter sponge if used. (Yes they can and will get sucked, had a few losses. =[ )

    My pH is quite hard, and I dose ferts and added a cuttlebone. Honestly, their parameters are pretty open, mine are super hardy shrimp, and I assume such all around.

    I dont know anything about the sand, cannot comment.

    Wood = Boss Status. Mine love drift.

    I would definitely use live plants. They feel more home-y. Java Moss, Marimo/Moss Balls, and really anything is great. My suggestion, plant it all. But realize, the more you plant, the less you'll see until your colony perks up in numbers (they usually lay eggs every 30-45 days.

    Anything else just ask!
     
  3. Bithimala

    Bithimala Fishlore VIP Member

    Thanks Skyy :) I agree with everything you said though.

    The few things you didn't answer, pH is a little high, but most animals will adjust to a higher pH. Additionally, having the wood in the tank will probably lower it just a little bit. Definitely do the wood though, they love it!

    I'd probably start with about 1 shrimp per gallon. They will multiply.

    I would personally not add fish so that you have more of a chance to see the shrimps' personalities and they spend less time hiding.

    I don't think the high GH/KH should be an issue either.

    Plant list looks great, the more places they can climb and graze, the better. Go for live :)

    One other thing to mention, especially since this is a brand new tank, make sure you have something to feed them. Fresh veggies, snail jello, algae wafers, etc. I definitely suggest adding cuttlebone into the tank as well so they have an extra calcium source if they need/want it.
     




  4. Skyy2112

    Skyy2112 Valued Member Member

    My shrimp have ranged from 7.0-7.8, and GH/KH at 6*-16*. (300ppm)
     
  5. OP
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    SnarkyXTS

    SnarkyXTS Valued Member Member

    Thank you both so much. I will take all your advice. I'll post pics once the tank is set up
     
  6. Sarah73

    Sarah73 Fishlore VIP Member

    Get some cuttlebone to!
     
  7. OP
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    SnarkyXTS

    SnarkyXTS Valued Member Member

    Will do
     
  8. OP
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    SnarkyXTS

    SnarkyXTS Valued Member Member

    So tomorrow I will be going into SF to go to the ADA Aqua Forest store in Japantown (check them out online, they have unbelievable planted tanks, "aquascape") to buy my nano tank. Question is what's the best or most preferred substrate for RCS? I see that a lot of members have black sand. Is there a specific brand that's popular! I'm planning on getting either a 5 or 7.5 gallon tank. Also, is to ok to mix different RCS (Sakura red, fire red & regular RCS) or should I just stick with one grade? I currently have 10 plain RCS in my empty fry grow out tank that has a well established sponge filter on it but was thinking I'd pick up some Sakura and fire red while I'm at the store. Bad idea?
    Thanks for any help in advance.
     
  9. Bithimala

    Bithimala Fishlore VIP Member

    No issues with mixing the different grades unless you are attempting to breed a specific grade. A lot of people use black sand and it really makes the little guys stand out. Personally, mine are in a mix of natural colored stone and crushed coral. I'd say get what you like for substrate.
     
  10. A

    Allan New Member Member

    I will try to add my own findings being about 6 or 7 weeks in front of you..

    I would say keep to a shrimp only tank, I have 2 tanks, one with cherry reds and a few fish and one shrimp only, the shrimp in the latter are definitely happier and more at ease, theyj rarely hide and if they do its only when they are moulting. Just last night I watched one bumble wage a war against an undercooked spinach leaf. Eventually I took pity and replaced it with a morsel but boy he was indefatigable.

    I use the dennerle garlenkies 0.7 - 1.2 mm borneo brown substrate and not only can the shrimp pick up and clean each piece but the plants especially Cuba have taken root very quickly.. I took my time selecting the best inert gravel I could find and and it seems to have paid off.

    Plants; I decided to go for stemmed plants rather than bushy species to save space and to keep as much visibility as possible. The shrimp seem more than happy hopping from leaf to leaf on the 2 alternanthera and crypt lucens. The small fern and flame moss provide the tried and tested favourite and often used refuge.
    Choilla wood has been a huge hit, there always seems to be a few in or on the piece I have put in there. The ceramic tubes are also well used.

    I was having problems finding verified shrimp friendly fertiliser and soil and was lucky enough to catch a tropica rep online and he has told me that all their products are fine with shrimp as long as the dosage and instructions are followed. I used the plant growth substrate (soil) and use the weekly liquid fert and can confirm no visible issues or otherwise, and the plants seem to be fine although it's early to be sure. I can whole heartedly recommend the Glasgarten bacter AE food supplement, even to my eye it clearly does build a film which I witness the shrimp devouring every time I look in on them.

    22.5 degrees centigrade is the best temp I've seen in my 4 weeks test. Can't think of anything else right now to add but let me know and I'll share whatever info I have found. The only thing I am still to figure out is the happy co2 level/rate, the last thing I want is to suffocate the wee buggers.

    Allan
     
  11. OP
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    SnarkyXTS

    SnarkyXTS Valued Member Member

    Wow, thanks for all the info. I'm going to check them out.
     
  12. Sarah73

    Sarah73 Fishlore VIP Member

    Nice! I will be watching how it goes:)
     
  13. A

    Allan New Member Member

    I forgot to add I have added dennerle power tabs as root fertilisers. Under the Cuba and front of the tank, I basically spread 4 tabs of equal distance where I hope and expect the Cuba to spread to. If it doesn't then whatever night do try and carpet the forefront will use it. If in were to recommend one item in particular it would be the substrate. Hands down the best I've seen, and it's obvious the shrimp love it.
     
  14. OP
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    SnarkyXTS

    SnarkyXTS Valued Member Member

    I can't find the substrate that you rec'd, not even Amazon has it. I was going to buy ADA substrate but they told me that it will neutralize my ph so I passed since I have a high ph & didn't want to deal w/ph fluctuations during pwc. I decided to go with Eco-complete for my substrate. I got the smaller 5.5 g tank that ADA makes since my husband was adamant I get the smallest tank (I have 5 tanks already ). Just sticking sponge filter w/driftwood, Anubias, 3 Marino moss balls, Java fern & Java moss. Also order cuttlebone like others suggested. I currently have 8 RCS, looks like 3f5m. Is this ratio ok or should I try to get more females? 1 is already berried. The shrimp are in my 5g fry grow out tank alone until the substrate arrives on Thursday. I was going to buy some Sakura shrimp but decided to wait until my tank was all set up. I will post pics once everything is setup.
     
  15. Sarah73

    Sarah73 Fishlore VIP Member

    You mean Eco-complete?
     
  16. OP
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    SnarkyXTS

    SnarkyXTS Valued Member Member

    Meant I can't find the kind that Allan rec'd. I ordered Eco-complete
     
  17. Sarah73

    Sarah73 Fishlore VIP Member

    Sweet!:)
     
  18. A

    Allan New Member Member

    I think I'm too late but here's a link to the substrate I use:
     

    It's fantastic but remember it's inert so if you're planning on planting then you'll need a layer of soil or something beneath the substrate:
     

    My tank is fairly small so it wasn't too expensive setting up and I'm really happy with the end result. Next time I might consider going with an active substrate but this set up is pretty much perfect for plants and shrimp as far as I can tell.
    I'd recommend adding some borneowild minerax powder before placing the substrate, optional of course but it buffs the water for the shrimp.
     
  19. A

    Allan New Member Member

    Eco complete is great, I'm sure you won't be disappointed.
     
  20. OP
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    SnarkyXTS

    SnarkyXTS Valued Member Member

    So my RCS nano tank is complete. Shrimp are all swimming around & exploring. ImageUploadedByFish Lore Aquarium Fish Forum1468439190.209652.jpg
    ImageUploadedByFish Lore Aquarium Fish Forum1468439212.971144.jpg berried female, hope to see babies soon!
    So excited
     
    Last edited: Jul 13, 2016




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