Plants dont wnt to stay or grow!

  1. sumocopter Initiate Member

    Hi,

    Ive been trying to plant my tank ever sine I started it up a good few months ago. I use a fairly standard gravel at the bottom of my tank. The plants whih I have planted (and Ive tried a good few types) have either just drifted up to the surfce or if they have stayed at the bottom they have not grown - either stayed exactly as when I planted them or just slowly died.

    The aquarium houses 3 young angelfish, 2 blue rams, a sucking loach, 4 pentazona barbs and an opaline gourami.

    Any general hints and tips would be much appreciated.

    Cheers
     
  2. eiginh Well Known Member Member

    Welcome to FL! :;hp

    How many inches is your gravel and what kind of gravel are you using? How much wpg(watts per gallon) do you have? How long do you leave your lights on for and do you dose your tank with any plant fertilizer?

    Barbs usually uproot plants but I'm not sure if you're type does.
     

  3. sumocopter Initiate Member

    around 2 inches, varying slightly through the tank - im just using common or garden gravel, nothing special (sorry I cant be more helpful)

    Lights on for 10 hrs per day and i dont use any fertilizers, I really cant remember the power,sorry

    The barbs arent lifting the plants, if anything is its the angelfish!
     
  4. eiginh Well Known Member Member

    If you can try remembering the wattage, I assume you have basic fluorescent lights. Try buying Seachem flourish not Seachem Flourish Excel (two different types of nutrients). Seachem flourish has micro nutrients as well as trace elements to help nourish your plants.
     

  5. sumocopter Initiate Member

    its basic fluoros yeah, i wont know the wattage until i go back to the lfs and check the box - I can tell you it fits very nicely into a 48" tank if that helps...

    how do the nutrients affect the resident fish?
     
  6. eiginh Well Known Member Member

    It doesn't affect them at all unless you super over dose. Seachem products are fish safe. To really affect your fish with the Seachem products you must really really really over dose for lets say 10x the dosage. I overdose my flourish excel in my tank and the fishys are still doing good.

    Here's more info about their products.

    http://www.seachem.com/Products/product_pages/Flourish.html

    You may also want to research the plants you buy too b/c some maybe more demanding than the other. Here's a good site for plant info www.plantgeek.net
     
  7. alicem Member Member

    I'm wondering about the lighting too. Also, how old are the bulbs?
    If you know the legnth of the bulb and the size (T8, T12)(diameter of the bulb)
    then maybe we can figure out the wattage, which relates to watts per gallon.

    Some plants do better than others in low light/low tech situations.
    They won't quickly fill the tank like you would see with high light, fertilizer regimen and co2 injection.

    Here is a list of the ones that I have generally had better luck with in low light (1.5 wpg)
    meaning they will survive and grow slowly for me:

    Java moss
    http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/myplants/117-Java_Moss_Vesicularia_dubyana.html

    Java fern
    http://www.tropica.com/productcard_1.asp?id=008
    http://www.tropica.com/productcard_1.asp?id=008B

    water onion
    http://www.tropica.com/productcard_1.asp?id=093

    anubia
    http://www.tropica.com/productcard_1.asp?id=101

    some cryptocornes
    http://www.tropica.com/productcard_1.asp?id=125
    http://www.tropica.com/productcard_1.asp?id=109C

    and that's about it for me...
    alicem
     

  8. sumocopter Initiate Member

    the bulb is approx 40"x1.5" - i can be a bit more specific tomorrow, the tank is 45gal
     
  9. Nate McFin Well Known Member Member

    What kind of plants are we talking about here? Which ones are you having trouble planting and which ones dont grow?
    Also...some plants take a long time to show growth...some plants take right off. THe slow growers are hard to notice growth on but if you take pictures every few months it shows thing grow more than we think sometimes!
     
  10. alicem Member Member

    Sounds like a T12. The 40" legnth sounds a little different and may be the fixture not bulb.
    I don't mean to doubt you, but the bulb itself may actually be 36" long.
    Either way, it is no more than 40 watts.
    Since you said "the bulb is" it must be a single, so that would be <1 wpg.
    A little small for growing plants plus 45G tanks are kind of tall, so the light doesn't penetrate as well.

    If you could put another fixture on the tank or get a whole new double fixture, it would help with plants.

    Another idea would be to tie anubia or java fern on a tall decoration, like driftwood, that was as tall as 1/2 of your tank.
    This would get the plant closer to the light.
    :)
    alicem
     

  11. phil saint Member Member

    hi sumocopter, have you tried java fern ? iv had some in my tank for just over 3 weeks and its already got about 5-6 new shoots of growth iv been using nutrafin plant grow once a week, also fern should be attached to some drift or bog wood (mines tied on with cotton) the shop told me the roots take nutrients direct from the water so dont need to be under the substrate and thats working great for me so far.

    phil