Discussion in 'Aquarium Plants' started by Mer-max, Dec 24, 2012.

  1. Mer-maxWell Known MemberMember

    I'm thinking of taking a 20 long and making a tank with no filter - I forget what it's called.

    Lots of plants, dirt under the rocks. . .

    How do you do those?

    Can you use DIY co2?

    What kind of lights would be considered medium for a 20 long?

    My only other planted is a 55 which is pretty tall and I have t5ho

  2. Mer-maxWell Known MemberMember

  3. monkeypie102Well Known MemberMember

    I have. 2.5g shirmp tank with no filter... tons of plants daily flourish and it has 7w per gallon in lighting :) I also have 3 berried females on my last count :) so I would say your setup plan would work... but I have never used co2 of any kind so i can't help much there...

  4. Mer-maxWell Known MemberMember

    Awesome. What kinna plants do you have? And shrimp?
  5. monkeypie102Well Known MemberMember

  6. Mer-maxWell Known MemberMember

    Also, what kind of lights? 7 wpg could grow alot
  7. Mer-maxWell Known MemberMember

    It's hard for me to locally find anything but ghost shrimp so ill be starting there. How many shrimp could happily have a home in a 20 long?
  8. Mer-maxWell Known MemberMember

    If you have no filter, what do you use for water movement?
  9. monkeypie102Well Known MemberMember

    It is a small 14w florecent that fits in my desk lamp... nothing to special... though I am clipping plants weekly xD
  10. monkeypie102Well Known MemberMember

    I don't use anything for water movement... but I do a couple water changes weekly... I didn't know shrimp needed water movement...
  11. Mer-maxWell Known MemberMember

    For the plants. Though, I dunno about a tank that small. I mainly wanted the 20 long for just plants but I figured why not some cool colored shrimp as well. If I don't need a filter I may just get a power head to have a little current
  12. monkeypie102Well Known MemberMember

    Nah the plants don't need any water flow, that i know of....

    Do you know what types of shrimp you want to get?
  13. Mer-maxWell Known MemberMember

    Cherry, crystal reds, yellows. What ever colors I can find
  14. monkeypie102Well Known MemberMember

    Becarful though... neocardianias will interbedd making an ugly brown color as with the cardinia shrimp breeds...
  15. Mer-maxWell Known MemberMember

    Ok. Do you have to cycle a tank for shrimp just like fish? If so, how without a filter? And how do you get enough air in there without the filter moving the water?
  16. featherblueWell Known MemberMember

    I wouldn't do neos without a filter. With an underseeded pair of converted intake cover to sponge filters I had deaths from ammo spikes, 2 seperate times with my oranges. With a ammo spike from adding a lg mystery snail I lost a blue. They are gill like breathers.......they obtain their o2 from the water.
    Easiest shrimp filter is simple sponge on an air line. My oranges are doing great with it now its fully cycled, and it oxegenates the water at the same time, with the bonus of no shrimplets danger.
  17. monkeypie102Well Known MemberMember

    Yes you need to cycle it.. and my rocking that i put in the tank was enough for an instant cycle :) and the idea of a filter less tank is for the plants to make enough oxygen to allow the inhabitance to survive :)
  18. monkeypie102Well Known MemberMember

    Meh... my neo's are in an unfiltered tank... I was going to put in the sponge filter but decided against it in the end... I now have berried shrimp though and its been over a month since it was setup and no deaths on my end :) I also have a blue mystery snail in there as well... maybe, i still think because all my oranges died, we just got some overly sensetive shrimp from the breeder...
  19. Mer-maxWell Known MemberMember

    So I could just run a air stone and be fine? No filter?
  20. featherblueWell Known MemberMember

    Can u garuntee not to everover feed? An air stone with an intake cover sponge is a diy sponge filter. From what ive seen the reds are the hardiest of the neos, but I had bad test results each time I lost shrimp.....clear 0.5 ppm ammo was all it took blue or orange.
    The oranges aren't any more sensitive than my blues, both don't react well to poor quality water at all. My oranges are growing saddles almost ready to drop now their water isn't hurting them

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