PH hasn’t gone down what to do

Fishkeeping7777

my Betta tank it’s been super high pH. and I’ve had pH downer and it’s still hasn’t gone down I don’t know what to do i doweekly water changes I don’t know what to do. do you know what to do

Ph 8.5
 

Blacksheep1

Hi ,

what does your tap water test at? And are you using strips ?
 

MacZ

How much water do you change? What's the volume of the tank? Do you top up the tank with tapwater? Do you have any rocks in the tank? Do you know hardness (GH/KH) and pH of your tapwater?
 

Fishkeeping7777

How much water do you change? What's the volume of the tank? Do you top up the tank with tapwater? Do you have any rocks in the tank? Do you know hardness (GH/KH) and pH of your tapwater?

first the tank is 5 gallons

And the tapwater is ph 7.5
The harness on the tap water is 120
I know that’s very hard I’m waiting to get water softener tabs because I know that’s pretty hard for bettas

I’m using regular test strips
 

MacZ

The harness on the tap water is 120
GH or KH? KH is the one that determines the pH, GH is not as important. Also 120ppm is a mere 6° that's still quite soft.

I know that’s very hard I’m waiting to get water softener tabs because I know that’s pretty hard for bettas
Do NOT use that stuff for tankwater! Those are salt-tabs. They only lower the GH not the KH, so they won't affect pH. But in turn salinity goes up and freshwater fish can only tolerate certain amounts. with those tabs it's likely you kill your fish fast.

I’m using regular test strips
Make sure there is no water sticking to the test fields and doesn't mix. If it does the results are way off. If KH and pH have mixed that could also explain the high pH reading. Then it's a testing error and nothing else.

Questions still open:
What percent of water do you change?
Do you top up evaporated water?
Are there any rocks in the tank?

Can you just post a picture?
 

Fishkeeping7777

GH or KH? KH is the one that determines the pH, GH is not as important. Also 120ppm is a mere 6° that's still quite soft.


Do NOT use that stuff for tankwater! Those are salt-tabs. They only lower the GH not the KH, so they won't affect pH. But in turn salinity goes up and freshwater fish can only tolerate certain amounts. with those tabs it's likely you kill your fish fast.


Make sure there is no water sticking to the test fields and doesn't mix. If it does the results are way off. If KH and pH have mixed that could also explain the high pH reading. Then it's a testing error and nothing else.

Questions still open:
What percent of water do you change?
Do you top up evaporated water?
Are there any rocks in the tank?

Can you just post a picture?

My bad I’m quite new to the hobby what I really meant is that the water is very hard KH I’ll test right now give me a minute

im back

no I do not use any rocks I use regular aquarium gravel but I do use almond leaves

Second question did not know for softening the water I do not know how to do that I just know the tabs so is there anyway to soften it other than using thiSecond question did not know for softening the water I do not know how to do that I just know the tabs so is there anyway to soften
The one on the right is freshwater the one on the left is salt water
 

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MasterPython

Try testing some tap water that has sat out overnight so the CO2 can offgass. If it is 8.5 it means nothing in your tank is raising it.
 

Fishkeeping7777

Try testing some tap water that has sat out overnight so the CO2 can offgass. If it is 8.5 it means nothing in your tank is raising it.
K
 

LowConductivity

my Betta tank it’s been super high pH. and I’ve had pH downer and it’s still hasn’t gone down I don’t know what to do i doweekly water changes I don’t know what to do. do you know what to do

Ph 8.5
So is there actually a problem with the health of the fish, or are we just following the internet ninja masters who may or may not keep bettas in thinking the pH is a problem?
 

Blacksheep1

I’m not meaning to sound like I’m being off here but that comes off kinda rude to people that are trying to help. Maybe it’s just your way of typing though so I’m unsure. There’s a very good reason this was suggested to you. If something in your tank is raising your pH then it can be identified and removed to help your fish. If that truly is your tap water then you’ll need to keep different fish
 

Fishkeeping7777

I’m not meaning to sound like I’m being off here but that comes off kinda rude to people that are trying to help. Maybe it’s just your way of typing though so I’m unsure. There’s a very good reason this was suggested to you. If something in your tank is raising your pH then it can be identified and removed to help your fish. If that truly is your tap water then you’ll need to keep different

No I’m just a fast Typer that’s just how I type but no nothings wrong with the fish and have them for 6 to 7 months normally is pH is OK but this month it’s just been off I have a bucket of tapwater beside me that’s been sitting out for a few days I’m bout to test it I use it to refill my tanks so it’s not the tapwater because normally he water is fine I just wanna make sure the ph is OK cause I heard the pH being the high can be bad

if you can see there’s a bunch of spelling errors that’s just how I type so I like to use simple words like K OK and stuff like that
 

Blacksheep1

No I’m just a fast Typer that’s just how I type but no nothings wrong with the fish and have them for 6 to 7 months normally is pH is OK but this month it’s just been off I have a bucket of tapwater beside me that’s been sitting out for a few days I’m bout to test it I use it to refill my tanks so it’s not the tapwater because normally he water is fine I just wanna make sure the ph is OK cause I heard the pH being the high can be bad

if you can see there’s a bunch of spelling errors that’s just how I type so I like to use simple words like K OK and stuff like that
Like I said I wasn’t trying to be off with anyone and wasn’t sure if that’s just how you typed or not :D I personally hate a “k” so could just be my personal preference coming out there haha !

High ph can be bad for certain fish but some like it . I’m interested to see what the sitting water tests at. I wonder if your change is a recent thing that your city water supply has changed area. Could you phone a lfs and ask that question ?
 

Fishkeeping7777

Like I said I wasn’t trying to be off with anyone and wasn’t sure if that’s just how you typed or not :D I personally hate a “k” so could just be my personal preference coming out there haha !

High ph can be bad for certain fish but some like it . I’m interested to see what the sitting water tests at. I wonder if your change is a recent thing that your city water supply has changed area. Could you phone a lfs and ask that question ?

i can’t bc my phone kind of mess up so

but so is thair any way to fix it
 

Evergreen2

Bettas have been bred at higher pH's for generations, if you are talking about Bettas Splendens. In which stable pH is better pH
 

Fishkeeping7777

Bettas have been bred at higher pH's for generations, if you are talking about Bettas Splendens. In which stable pH is better pH
Ye i have a betta I heard they need low pH is like

in 6.7 or 7.5

mys 8.5-9.0 it’s super high but I’ve been out in a little by little pH downer cause I don’t know how he will add to it so what to do. do I put The recommended dose or something else how do you fix the pH is it too high
 

Blacksheep1

Basically , it’s better for for your fish if they stay at a steady ph rather than you trying to change it artificially which is why MasterPython asked about the 24 hour sitting tap ph compared to your tank. However if your tap ph is swinging naturally one way after the 24 hours , there’s going to be some fish you just can’t keep and some that are better suited . No point fighting your water , it’s inconsistent and does more damage to the fishes health than trying to achieve the “perfect ph “. You can search your local water parameters straight from the tap online in most cases which will give you a better picture if you’re just adding dechlorinator. Sure you can use substrate buffers, wood and rocks to help but if it’s a massive difference then you either need to be researching and understanding all parameters or just not fighting it and keeping fish that are better suited to your local water .
 

Fishkeeping7777

Basically , it’s better for for your fish if they stay at a steady ph rather than you trying to change it artificially which is why MasterPython asked about the 24 hour sitting tap ph compared to your tank. However if your tap ph is swinging naturally one way after the 24 hours , there’s going to be some fish you just can’t keep and some that are better suited . No point fighting your water , it’s inconsistent and does more damage to the fishes health than trying to achieve the “perfect ph “. You can search your local water parameters straight from the tap online in most cases which will give you a better picture if you’re just adding dechlorinator. Sure you can use substrate buffers, wood and rocks to help but if it’s a massive difference then you either need to be researching and understanding all parameters or just not fighting it and keeping fish that are better suited to your local water .

my ph is 7.5 from google so
my ph is 7.5 from google so
I just added a little bit of more pH downer but was right measurements that I don’t add too little so if it doesn’t go down I don’t know what I’m gonna do probably buy some Betta water And go bank Rupp but either way it should get fixed.
 

MasterPython

High PH is safer than neutral or low PH for most fish. It is way harder to screw up and cause a PH crash. Even though many tropical fish come from soft acid water they are bred in hard or outright brackish dirt ponds in Asia.
 

Fishkeeping7777

High PH is safer than neutral or low PH for most fish. It is way harder to screw up and cause a PH crash. Even though many tropical fish come from soft acid water they are bred in hard or outright brackish dirt ponds in Asia.

really so its ok

So my betta water is really hard how to fix it i was going to get tabs to fix it but some body said its bad so how to fix it and I’m beginner so some thing easy
 

StarGirl

What is your pH? I have 8.2 and hard rock water and my Betta is fine. You dont want to mess with pH up and down stuff. It is too easy to mess up. Wild pH swing will kill a fish faster than just living in your water. The only way you can lower hard water is to use re-mineralized RO water.
 

Fishkeeping7777

What is your pH? I have 8.2 and hard rock water and my Betta is fine. You dont want to mess with pH up and down stuff. It is too easy to mess up. Wild pH swing will kill a fish faster than just living in your water. The only way you can lower hard water is to use re-mineralized RO water.
I haded some ph downer so i will do i wc

but idk how to get the water and can he but ok in the water i have now
 

BlockHead1981

How hard is your water? There are test kits
 

StarGirl

What pH do you have?
 

Fishkeeping7777

What pH do you have?
9.0 its high or 8.5

the kh i think is 120 or 100

gh 180
 

georgelee1000

9.0 its high or 8.5

the kh i think is 120 or 100

gh 180
8.5 and gh of 180 is honestly not too bad. I won’t mess around the water. Stability is more important.
 

StarGirl

Are you using test strips? If you are able to I would try to get the API liquid Freshwater Test Kit. There are a GH/KH kit also. The strips can be unreliable. When dealing with hard water you will want a little more accuracy.
 

Fishkeeping7777

Are you using test strips? If you are able to I would try to get the API liquid Freshwater Test Kit. There are a GH/KH kit also. The strips can be unreliable. When dealing with hard water you will want a little more accuracy.
I gest got the pneumonia test so that was 40$ So

im not home so can not do the wc right now so do you think he will be ok
 

StarGirl

Are you in the US? The API whole testing kit is about 24$ at the chain stores.

He should be fine. Very gradually change water. Since you put the pH down in there, You dont want to do too much.
 

Fishkeeping7777

Are you in the US? The API whole testing kit is about 24$ at the chain stores.

He should be fine. Very gradually change water. Since you put the pH down in there, You dont want to do too much.
Last time I was there I did not see the feshwater one Only salt and for the whole test kit
Last time I was there I did not see the feshwater one Only salt and for the whole test kit
I tested it in the PH actually is 9.0-9.5 That’s super Super high what to do did 30% water change

Are you in the US? The API whole testing kit is about 24$ at the chain stores.

He should be fine. Very gradually change water. Since you put the pH down in there, You dont want to do too much.

But I checked this morning PH is still 9.0

I do not know what to do
 

Fishkeeping7777

High PH is safer than neutral or low PH for most fish. It is way harder to screw up and cause a PH crash. Even though many tropical fish come from soft acid water they are bred in hard or outright brackish dirt ponds in Asia.
Yeah but mine is 9.0 9.5 that is super high my fish looks good and healthy and all but I want to make sure he has the right water parameters
 

BlockHead1981

My buddy has the same issue, his pH is about 9.5-10. He uses Seachem Neutral Regulator and it works just fine for him. He has been using it for years and his fish are just fine. He did forget to use it once after a large water change and lost several fish. It brings the pH to 7, just don't forget to dechlorinate and use the neutralizer as well.
 

Fishkeeping7777

My buddy has the same issue, his pH is about 9.5-10. He uses Seachem Neutral Regulator and it works just fine for him. He has been using it for years and his fish are just fine. He did forget to use it once after a large water change and lost several fish. It brings the pH to 7, just don't forget to dechlorinate and use the neutralizer as well.

how do you use it
 

StarGirl

My buddy has the same issue, his pH is about 9.5-10. He uses Seachem Neutral Regulator and it works just fine for him. He has been using it for years and his fish are just fine. He did forget to use it once after a large water change and lost several fish. It brings the pH to 7, just don't forget to dechlorinate and use the neutralizer as well.
That's the problem I have with this kind of stuff. You forget once and your fish are all dead. :(
 

Fishkeeping7777

That's the problem I have with this kind of stuff. You forget once and your fish are all dead. :(
I just don’t know what to do with the pH is really high looks fine He fine it’s fine but still I don’t know what to do I know it’s way too high

and that’s not really good for me I broke my pneumonia Tasket yesterday I am very forgetful so anyway I have to get a new test kit so I have to go to the pet store anyway so I know it’s too high so what to do
 

BlockHead1981

I just don’t know what to do with the pH is really high looks fine He fine it’s fine but still I don’t know what to do I know it’s way too high

and that’s not really good for me I broke my pneumonia Tasket yesterday I am very forgetful so anyway I have to get a new test kit so I have to go to the pet store anyway so I know it’s too high so what to do
Try the stuff I mentioned, my friend has had good results. Too high pH is bad, there is a reason they sell these kind of products. I agree with everyone else that stability is more important, but that is if you are dealing with kind of high pH. 9.5 is too high for most fish imo. It also depends on the fish.There are natural routes you can take like indian almond leaves. Just remember to go slow on pH changes, you can easily kill your fish (pH shock).
 

Fishkeeping7777

Try the stuff I mentioned, my friend has had good results. Too high pH is bad, there is a reason they sell these kind of products. I agree with everyone else that stability is more important, but that is if you are dealing with kind of high pH. 9.5 is too high for most fish imo. It also depends on the fish.There are natural routes you can take like indian almond leaves. Just remember to go slow on pH changes, you can easily kill your fish (pH shock).
He does have Allman leaves in his water he has four and they’ve been there for a while I’ve been adding pH down or slowly by slowly but it’s not working
 

mattgirl

I am going to be as honest as I can be here. I may sound harsh but don't do anything until you are totally sure you know what you are doing. Drastic changes are much more dangerous than the high pH you are seeing in this tank. Too quick a change could very well kill your fish.

Don't go adding this or that without knowing how it is going to affect the numbers. What kind of test are you using to test your pH level? Before doing anything you need to be 100% positive your test is giving you accurate results. If what you are already adding isn't affecting the numbers it is very possible the test isn't giving you an accurate reading.
 

Coradee

Threads have been merged please only create one thread per topic, it gets very confusing having multiple threads asking the same questions.
 

Fishkeeping7777

I am going to be as honest as I can be here. I may sound harsh but don't do anything until you are totally sure you know what you are doing. Drastic changes are much more dangerous than the high pH you are seeing in this tank. Too quick a change could very well kill your fish.

Don't go adding this or that without knowing how it is going to affect the numbers. What kind of test are you using to test your pH level? Before doing anything you need to be 100% positive your test is giving you accurate results. If what you are already adding isn't affecting the numbers it is very possible the test isn't giving you an accurate reading.

I am using two different tests to make sure they’re accurate A I P test strips Imagitarium test strips both of them have the same
Results it never has been this high that was just out of nowhere I have a chart from last month and it was by the way I check my water every week but Results it never has been this high that was just out of nowhere I have a chart from last month and it was by the way I check my water every week but I
It was 7.5- 8.5

i’m using Siri right now so it’s gonna copy itself please ignore it
 

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