Ordered Fish Online, Online Store Has High Ph

Discussion in 'Freshwater Beginners' started by masonv6, Apr 24, 2017.

  1. masonv6New MemberMember

    I ordered my fish online and will be arriving in a couple days. I just found out there water ph is 8.1 - 8.4. I've been keeping my tank around 7.2 - 7.4. I use ro water and mixing equilibrium and alkaline buffer and acid buffer. Kh and gh is 4.
    I ordered angelfish , rams, tetras. So that's why I have been aiming for the ph I have in the tank now.
    My question is what should I am for. I have (2) 30 gal trash cans filled with unmixed ro right now for a water change before they arrive. I was a little shocked to here their ph was so high.
    Should I aim for around a 7.8 and over time with water changes lower it down. Some ppl say rams will not last with a high ph , other say their fine.
    Amy thoughts on what I should do would be cool. I will be doing the water change tomorrow

    Sorry for the destroyed spelling of some words , using phone right now
     
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  2. Nanologist

    NanologistWell Known MemberMember

    If you slowly bring the water they come in down to your PH using the drip method they should be fine.
     
  3. Tiny_Tanganyikans

    Tiny_TanganyikansWell Known MemberMember

    Do not drip shipped fish. Especially with that much ph difference.

    Simply open shipping bags, net the fish and put thrm in your aquarium.

    Fish do much better going from higher ph to low. The other way around is more difficult but drip acclimating will poison them in the bag.
     




  4. Nanologist

    NanologistWell Known MemberMember

    Okay, figured the drastic change would be much more shocking. I suppose the water they're shipped in gets pretty horrible though.
     




  5. James17

    James17Well Known MemberMember

    I would float the bag for a little while to let the temps match first.
     
  6. Nanologist

    NanologistWell Known MemberMember

    Do you have any fish currently in the tank?
     
  7. justinmo

    justinmoValued MemberMember

    I would float the fish to match temperature and immediately put them in.
     
  8. Tiny_Tanganyikans

    Tiny_TanganyikansWell Known MemberMember

    As long as temp is close its fine. I never float unless its winter time and the water temp is significantly lower.

    Floating is fine though, but fish should be out of the bag within 10 minutes of its opening. 20 tops. After that you're risking poisoning your fish
     
  9. AvalancheDave

    AvalancheDaveWell Known MemberMember

    In my experience over the past 15+ years:

    Drop and flop: 1 death out of 1.
    Drip: 0 deaths of out ~60.

    I used RO/DI water back then and I had to drip acclimate fish because going from higher to lower salinity is more dangerous than the other way around.
     
  10. Heather L

    Heather LValued MemberMember

    Not questioning you at all, but curious as to why drip acclimating would poison them? Also, very thankful I just read this post, I would have poisoned my fish
     
  11. Tiny_Tanganyikans

    Tiny_TanganyikansWell Known MemberMember

    When you drip acclimate the water chemistry in the bag starts to change rapidly and shipped fish generally have an excess amount of waste in the bag and when the pH swings like that it can make the ammonia and nitrite rise significantly and will be extremely toxic
     
  12. Lynn78too

    Lynn78tooWell Known MemberMember

    Sorry to jump in but I thought you weren't supposed to float shipping bags??? I have some fish being mailed next week and I don't want to kill the poor things either.
     
  13. James17

    James17Well Known MemberMember

    Same here, I thought we were supposed to float to let temps equalize then open bags and scoop fish out and right into the tank. Is that right, I'll be ordering fish later this week myself.
     
  14. -Mak-

    -Mak-Fishlore VIPMember

    If I remember correctly, the reason people recommend not to drip acclimate shipped fish is because:

    While in the bags, they breathe and produce CO2.
    Co2 lowers the ph of the water in the bag.
    Fish produce ammonia.
    At a low ph due to the Co2, ammonia is much less toxic, but...
    When you open the bag, Co2 leaves the bag and is replaced with oxygen, which rapidly drives the ph up.
    The ammonia is now in its toxic form because ph is most likely above 7 now.

    I've also seen people say this isn't a problem because you can simply condition the water with a product such as seachem Prime to neutralize the ammonia upon opening.
     
    Last edited: Apr 24, 2017
  15. Heather L

    Heather LValued MemberMember

    Thank you!

    I'm new to the hobby and trying to learn as much as I can.

    So, if I bring a fish home from my LFS I drip acclimate, and if I receive a fish in the mail I float.

    When moving from quarantine to my 55 gl I drip?

    Is this right?
     
  16. Herkimur

    HerkimurWell Known MemberMember

    Simply put a piece of Poly Filter in the bag, it'll mop up that ammonia, giving you time to do what you need to. 57fcc40e0bb28e7a0dbff0e358ad5901.jpge98ba0d9f34373d9884f025afd112dfd.jpg
     
  17. AngelTheGypsy

    AngelTheGypsyFishlore VIPMember

    When I have fish shipped I generally have the opposite problem. I have a high pH (8.2), and the fish are in much lower, usually mid 7. I set up an acclimation tub(Rubbermaid) with heater and air stone. I use water with a similar ph to what they came from (I use bottled spring water with a ph of 7.5) When I receive the fish I float for temp. Then net them to the tub. Then every 15 minutes I add a scoop of tank water until the ph is the same as my tank. Starting with 10 fish and 7 gallons this took me 3 hours. When the tub is the same ph as my tank, I scoop them right over. 1 angelfish, 9 cories, 5 mystery snails, 0 casualties. Just another idea to put out there.
     




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