NTD in QT?

  1. tokiodreamy Well Known Member Member

    Hey all... so my 3 neon tetras have been in QT for 3 weeks. For the first 2 weeks I treated with PraziPro. I was going to release them in their 20g monday however I've noticed some white patches on one of my neons. Is it Neon Tetra Disease?

    https://youtu.be/jsGsmcH-6uc
     
  2. peregrine Member Member

    weird. Is it fuzzy? that almost looks like a fungus...
     

  3. tokiodreamy Well Known Member Member

    It didn't look fuzzy. It's more like hes missing scales or they turned white I think.
     

  4. peregrine Member Member

    Looking closely its almost like he got stuck on the bottom of that plant and rubbed raw. But if that was the case it would be red and would think that would be the case for scale loss . Maybe an albino gene showing... never heard of an alb neon but whose to say it doesn't exist
     

  5. DoubleDutch Fishlore VIP Member

    Though NTD is very rare and does show some other symptoms be careful. I doubt it is but White parts in the red part of the fish could mean NTD. Keep it in the qt (all three) and see what happens. Albino genes are recessive so they won't appear partly in animals. Could be false NTD = columnaris bacteria which is more likely.
     
  6. peregrine Member Member

    DoubleDutch i was actually just guessing they even could have a recessive albino gene, i actually assumed they didn't .. now i have to go look for some if they even exist. I have seen some animals show partial alb on part of their body sooooo..

    And agree with you. Keep them all qted till it either clears up or...
     
  7. DoubleDutch Fishlore VIP Member

    Funny thing is that most partly white animals show dark eyes (not red). Those are called leucism.
    I can be wrong but I doubt there are animals that are partly albino.
     
  8. peregrine Member Member

    I was using albino as a general term. Since most people dont understand it as lack or loss of pigment. I have seen a few that have loss of pigment in a small area. Yes technically not an albino, but its how most people think. But we are way off track..
    TokyoDreamy i hope your little fishy gets better.
     
  9. DoubleDutch Fishlore VIP Member

    I got it !
     
  10. tokiodreamy Well Known Member Member

    Would more pics or another video help any? I'm not really sure what to do. And I was so excited to put all 3 in the tank monday... poo. They were all doing so well! But I just noticed that the two other neons have 1 white spot on one of their fins. Great... thank Neptune for QT! I haven't seen them rubbing on anything so I'm not sure if its beginning stages of ich? I mean I know other diseases can have white spots.
    CindiL if my memory serves me correctly you know about columnaris?
     
  11. DoubleDutch Fishlore VIP Member

    Neons can show white edges in their fins. Are those you see edges or real spots.

    How is the one behaving having the larger spot?
     
  12. tokiodreamy Well Known Member Member

    Actual spots. Like ich spots. But only 1 on the two neons and only 1 fin.

    The other one I noticed maybe two or three days ago?
     
  13. CindiL Fishlore Legend Member

    I had a neon with NTD and first he separated himself away from the others, faded in color and got lumps you could actually see under the skin, eventually the spine curved and I euthanized. Somehow it did not spread.

    Yes I had columnaris go through my tank a couple months ago and treated different things up to a month ago since its been gone. There are four strains with columnaris and you'll see different or more symptoms the less virulent the strain.

    I can tell you if its NTD, its not treatable as far as I know and if you start seeing any bumps under the skin to euthanize immediately. I treated columnaris with kanamycin flakes first which seemed to help most but not all, nitrofurazone in the water for a couple of treatments and then Maracyn II (minocycline) for two weeks. That combination worked. The treatment recommended most often is kanaplex and nitrofurazone which is in Furan 2.

    The white patches will not be fuzzy. If you see threads or fuzz that usually represents saprolegenia.

    See if this helps:
    http://www.cichlid-forum.com/articles/columnaris_disease.php
     
  14. tokiodreamy Well Known Member Member

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    I tried. One of the neons is being a bully and chasing the other two.
    I didn't see the white spots on the other two neons... so I'll be doing another water change tonight.
     
  15. tokiodreamy Well Known Member Member

    Update:

    So now it's happening to another one. The original neon has it on both sides but the new neon only has it on 1 side. The third neon is still constantly chasing and nipping the other two. What a bully...

    I got a pretty decent video. Any ideas? CindiL not sure if this helps identify anything?

    https://youtu.be/fAApLuxo7uo
     
  16. CindiL Fishlore Legend Member

    Did you start any treatment yet? The video is super tiny and won't let me go to full screen so hard to tell.

    I would be treating with antibiotics. If you don't see lumps under the skin its probably not NTD and most likely columnaris like DoubleDutch suggested.

    I'd treat asap. I gave the meds up above. ^^
     
  17. tokiodreamy Well Known Member Member

    Here try the youtube link instead. I took out the front part so hopefully it will be a link instead of embeded.

    youtu.be/fAApLuxo7uo

    I have not started treatment yet, I'll have to order flakes via amazon prime. I've been super busy getting ready for graduation yesterday that it was tough enough to do 3 water changes beforehand. I'm just upset it took about 3 weeks to show these symptoms. They looked so healthy before :(
     
  18. CindiL Fishlore Legend Member

    Sorry didn't work. What are you graduating from? Congratulations :)

    I'd be treating with kanaplex to start out with.
     
  19. tokiodreamy Well Known Member Member

    You'll have to add in the https : / / stuff. I can't post that part or it will embed it.

    Thanks CindiL ! I actually graduated in September with a BFA in Digital Photography but I just got to walk.

    I ordered:
    kanamycin medicated flakes (arrives june 27-30)
    Maracyn 2 (2 day)
    Furan 2 (2 day)

    Should I also order the other one? That one is by seachem right? I looked at it and was a bit confused how it worked.

    And if you could let me know how long to dose and what to dose first that'd be great! I've only ever treated ich before... so this is all new!
     
  20. CindiL Fishlore Legend Member

    Nice!

    No, if you're going to use the kanamycin medicated flakes then I wouldn't treat with kanaplex. I did two weeks of the flakes, 10 days of the maracyn 2 and four days of the furan 2. I did my normal weekly water changes.

    I would leave the furan 2 for last if they're not better by then. Its just them in the tank right?