Nilocg's Newest All In One Fert, Thrivec

Hello all. In my tank I was using regular Thrive with decent results. I accidentally ordered Thrive Plus when it ran out and immediately started having green algae issues. I saw that NilocG introduced a new fert called ThriveC and picked some up last week. The bottle states it has "a non-glut based source of bio-available carbon which provides 2-3x the amount of other carbon supplements" I assume "other carbon supplements" would include flourish excel. That being said does anyone have any info on what exactly this Non-Glut carbon source is? Should I discontinue my normal dosing of excel? If it's carbon source really is more effective, and presumably more safe since it doesn't contain Gluteraldehyde than this really could be the end all be all, "all in one" product for us low tech planted tankers. I've been using it for a week only and have seen my red plants turn more vivid and plants perking up in general.

 

Hello all. In my tank I was using regular Thrive with decent results. I accidentally ordered Thrive Plus when it ran out and immediately started having green algae issues. I saw that NilocG introduced a new fert called ThriveC and picked some up last week. The bottle states it has "a non-glut based source of bio-available carbon which provides 2-3x the amount of other carbon supplements" I assume "other carbon supplements" would include flourish excel. That being said does anyone have any info on what exactly this Non-Glut carbon source is? Should I discontinue my normal dosing of excel? If it's carbon source really is more effective, and presumably more safe since it doesn't contain Gluteraldehyde than this really could be the end all be all, "all in one" product for us low tech planted tankers. I've been using it for a week only and have seen my red plants turn more vivid and plants perking up in general.

If its working run with it. Just keep in mind that liquid carbon isn't co2. To many people misunderstand this and wonder why it doesn't make there plants Thrive like people that use co2 gas.

 

I’m interested in this too. -Mak- Thoughts?

 

bryangar I was just starting to type a reply here when I saw your mention haha!

So as far as I know Colin hasn't stated what he uses as the "bio available" carbon. When Thrive was new he didn't say what was in that either, so it may be a while before anyone knows for sure.

While I'm skeptical of any non CO2 (gas) supplement, I guess we cannot assume its effectiveness yet because we don't know what it is. I just don't think it could be that effective or else there'd be pearling in tanks that use ThriveC.

toeknee if the bio available carbon is not glut based, then I don't see the harm in continuing excel as well, since there'd be no overdose

 

bryangar I was just starting to type a reply here when I saw your mention haha!

So as far as I know Colin hasn't stated what he uses as the "bio available" carbon. When Thrive was new he didn't say what was in that either, so it may be a while before anyone knows for sure.

While I'm skeptical of any non CO2 (gas) supplement, I guess we cannot assume its effectiveness yet because we don't know what it is. I just don't think it could be that effective or else there'd be pearling in tanks that use ThriveC.

toeknee if the bio available carbon is not glut based, then I don't see the harm in continuing excel as well, since there'd be no overdose

I think it would work basically like double or triple dosing excel. There doesn’t seem to be much on what else can provide carbon?

I found this thread: Citric acid and citrate as liquid carbon source?
Where someone says “Some of the metallic trace elements are chelated with EDTA (C10H16N2O8) which is an organic compound that would produce CO2 if it were oxidized by some biological process. So, we who dose trace mix for micro nutrients already have an organic compound in our tank water that might produce CO2 under the right circumstances. I suspect the processes that might do that wouldn't produce nearly enough CO2 to be of any benefit.” Maybe this has something tp do with it? and it was improved?

 

Very interesting. That citric acid process to get carbon seems like there would be too many variables from tank to tank, relying too heavily on the aquarium to have the proper organic compounds produce consistent levels of carbon on each dosing. Unless Colin figured out how to introduce the right of organic compounds to the tank at each dosing. But then how does the carbon source not "activate" in the bottle if it is the Critric Acid/Citrate method? I guess we probably won't know exactly what it is if and when Colin decides to release more information. I'll be very interested to here what this non-glut carbon source is.

 

Does this thrive c require a 50% waterchange weekly?

 

From their site. "Weekly 20-30% water changes are suggested but can be reduced depending on your tanks specific needs." ......It doesn't say if ThriveC is based in the e.i. method like their other ferts but I assumed it is.