New to snails

marina3

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HI guys!

I have a 3 gal Eclipse tank at work with a little betta in it. My office has bright lights, plus the light in the lid of the tank has produce ( in my oopinion) the culpit for some brown patches on my fake planrs, gravel and decor as well as little patches on the glass. Do you think that introducing a snail will be benefitial? I am learning about them and the only thing I don't have very clear (or I do but I cannot believe it) is that they can reproduce even though may only be ONE snail in the tank?
Could you clarify and advise me what type of snail can I introduce to a 3gal tank (if any)? I read that the nerite snail is good choice for algae control!
x
 

jerilovesfrogs

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hi, I am new to snails as well.....I have done some research....but now i'm confused in a recent finding myself! I read "apple" snails grow very large, but mystery snails, which are a kind of apple, but are smaller, don't grow as big. but then I just read the mystery can grow as large as a golf ball! I love all the colors you can get, pink, blue, purple, magenta etc.....but I just can't think who can actually have one in their tank that is the size of a golf ball!
 

Elodea

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Okay, to clear up all this confusion (I got confused, too):

Apple Snails

Can grow up to the size of a baseball. They mercilessly devour any live plants as well as fish food in the tank, but completely ignore algae and diatoms.

All mystery snails are apple snails, but not all apple snails are mystery snails. Think of it like: all cichlids are fish but not all fish are cichlids. In other words, mystery snails are a type of apple snail. However, the term "apple snail" usually goes to the species that grows very large.

Mystery Snails

Are much smaller than apples. I've never seen one that has grown larger than 1 1/2" in shell diameter. They do not eat plants as readily, however, also ignore algae and diatoms, IME.

If you want to get a snail that eats algae or diatoms (the brown stuff) I'd go for freshwater nerite snails. The "brown stuff" is also caused by a lack of lighting.
 

jerilovesfrogs

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If you want to get a snail that eats algae or diatoms (the brown stuff) I'd go for freshwater nerite snails. The "brown stuff" is also caused by a lack of lighting.[/QUOTE]
hmmmm that good info you have. I am not sure why then every pet place I go to, they're selling them as good algae eaters? but beyond that....algae can also be caused by lack of light too???? I didn't know that one. so too much light, or not enough? what's the balance?
 

redlessi

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The brown diatoms (algae) can be caused by not enough light or overfeeding and most new tanks will get them. They do eventually go away on their own.
 
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marina3

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Well guys, I went for it and got a gold mystery snail, this lady that is pretty knowledgble at the LFS told me that "they are the same than the nerites, they just call them mystery snails...I didn't want to argue so I got a little one, will see if it eats the brown staff or not...

Jerilovesfrogs, guess what??? I got 2 tiny frogs...one for the 10 gal and one for Carlitps tank...I hope is not to much for him...2 new habitants all at once!!

Well, that the brown staff is due to lack of light is news to me...I thought that it was the other way around, like Jerilovesfrogs said...too much light been the culpit....My tank at work has the lights on for 10 hrs mon thru frI but during the weekends, since I am not there the lights are off...
 

philipbouchard-davies

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Maybe you could consider getting a timer

Phil
 

ilikefish

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Elodea said:
Apple Snails

Can grow up to the size of a baseball. They mercilessly devour any live plants as well as fish food in the tank, but completely ignore algae and diatoms.
I must respectfully disagree with this statement... I have a golden apple snail... And while my tank was young (and I had algae growing on the glass) I could see little trails all throughout the carpet of algae on the back glass (I magnetized the other sides off... My one apple snail in my 10 gallon however was NOT enough to make a dramatic difference but it was very clear to see he would eat the algae... as far as eating plants... possibly but not very significantly... he was just larger than a quarter...

Anyway... thought I should share my experience with apple snails... but yes they get big... I saw a tennis ball sized one in a LFS but he wasn't for snail XD...


But If your looking for algae control and low bioload I'd look into nerite snails... Ive heard good things...
 
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marina3

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Gosh Phil!!! That's right!!!! A timer!!!!! I am such a da.....
Thanks! I have one at home that I can bring... Another project for this long weekend!!!

Happy Easter!!
 
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marina3

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ilikefish,
I got a mystery (gold) last night AND a little frog that just got introduced to my betta tank!!! The snail started moving a minute after she touched bottom and move all the way to the back of the tank, parking on the glass...before that she did a little stop at the filter intake and kept going!!! So cute! The frog jumped around a little and the betta stops by the bottom giving some curious looks...Not much flaring going on!!!
 

rainman

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Grrr! common names are confusing sometimes. Apple snails and Mystery snails are of the family Ampullariidae. TRUE Apple Snails have the scientific name Pomacea canaliculata; Mystery Snails have the scientific name .
 

rainman

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Elodea said:
Okay, to clear up all this confusion (I got confused, too):

Apple Snails

Can grow up to the size of a baseball. They mercilessly devour any live plants as well as fish food in the tank, but completely ignore algae and diatoms.

All mystery snails are apple snails, but not all apple snails are mystery snails. Think of it like: all cichlids are fish but not all fish are cichlids. In other words, mystery snails are a type of apple snail. However, the term "apple snail" usually goes to the species that grows very large.

Mystery Snails

Are much smaller than apples. I've never seen one that has grown larger than 1 1/2" in shell diameter. They do not eat plants as readily, however, also ignore algae and diatoms, IME.

If you want to get a snail that eats algae or diatoms (the brown stuff) I'd go for freshwater nerite snails. The "brown stuff" is also caused by a lack of lighting.
I have a fully planted tank; my Apple Snails have not bothered them. It's all about availability of food and diet. If there is something missing they will eat anything to try and cope by eating everything.
 

Slippy

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I just got 2 Apple Snails and 2 Zebra Nerite snails, and they all eat algae

Hopefully, I can get my algae under control now
 

jerilovesfrogs

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rainman said:
Grrr! common names are confusing sometimes. Apple snails and Mystery snails are of the family Ampullariidae. TRUE Apple Snails have the scientific name Pomacea canaliculata; Mystery Snails have the scientific name .
actually rainman, common names are the only names I really can understand at this point! haha. uhhh so ok, then if apple and mystery are of the same fam, and TRUE are not, then why even call the other an apple snail at all?! just call it an orange snail......or a lemon snail. what about a grapefruit snail omg, i've lost it!

and now, how are we, the ppl who have no clue, supposed to know if we're being sold an apple snail from the ampulardialalala family, or a TRUE apple? I wouldn't take the word from those hi-my-iq is 10-can-i-help-u employees at most stores. ya know?
 

jerilovesfrogs

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marina3 said:
ilikefish,
I got a mystery (gold) last night AND a little frog that just got introduced to my betta tank!!! The snail started moving a minute after she touched bottom and move all the way to the back of the tank, parking on the glass...before that she did a little stop at the filter intake and kept going!!! So cute! The frog jumped around a little and the betta stops by the bottom giving some curious looks...Not much flaring going on!!!
hI marina! so the frog, is it an ADF (african dwarf frog)? or an african clawed frog? if it's the latter, you're gonna have issues! they get large, like 5inches, or maybe the size a fist. and there are many pet stores that have albino clawed frogs, being sold as ADF. and there really aren't albino ADFs. so that's a clue. frogs are heavy waste producers though.....I don't know if heavy as goldfish, but messy nonetheless. but i'd be concerned too if, it is an ADF, the betta might bug him. though your betta might not care....but you never know. and if it's the clawed kind, he might eat your betta! maybe not that, but, again, you never know!
 

rainman

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jerilovesfrogs said:
actually rainman, common names are the only names I really can understand at this point! haha. uhhh so ok, then if apple and mystery are of the same fam, and TRUE are not, then why even call the other an apple snail at all?! just call it an orange snail......or a lemon snail. what about a grapefruit snail omg, i've lost it!

and now, how are we, the ppl who have no clue, supposed to know if we're being sold an apple snail from the ampulardialalala family, or a TRUE apple? I wouldn't take the word from those hi-my-iq is 10-can-i-help-u employees at most stores. ya know?
There are links within the names which show pictures on how to identify the two different species.
 

Elodea

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rainman said:
Grrr! common names are confusing sometimes. Apple snails and Mystery snails are of the family Ampullariidae. TRUE Apple Snails have the scientific name Pomacea canaliculata; Mystery Snails have the scientific name .
Very good info there, Rainman, but I thought that the term "apple snail" referred to all species within the genus Pomacea?

I think its all up to the snail...I've seen my [now deceased] mystery snail (Pomacea bridgesii) crawl over the diatoms [also now deceased] without taking a single bite, however, he would voraciously chomp up my anacharis. I guess it's all personal experience.

Nerite snails are very different from apple snails, contrary to what the LFS lady said:

Freshwater (and brackish) nerite snails all belong to the species Neritina natalensis (at least the common ones: olive, ruby/tracked, zebra). The horned nerite snail is Clithona corona. Nerite snails are renowned for their algae-eating ability, however, are very small compared to apple snails - the largest can hit a maximum of a little over an inch in shell diameter, the particularly small horned nerite only grows up to 2/3" in shell diameter.
 

rainman

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Elodea said:
Very good info there, Rainman, but I thought that the term "apple snail" referred to all species within the genus Pomacea?

I think its all up to the snail...I've seen my [now deceased] mystery snail (Pomacea bridgesii) crawl over the diatoms [also now deceased] without taking a single bite, however, he would voraciously chomp up my anacharis. I guess it's all personal experience.

Nerite snails are very different from apple snails, contrary to what the LFS lady said:

Freshwater (and brackish) nerite snails all belong to the species Neritina natalensis (at least the common ones: olive, ruby/tracked, zebra). The horned nerite snail is Clithona corona. Nerite snails are renowned for their algae-eating ability, however, are very small compared to apple snails - the largest can hit a maximum of a little over an inch in shell diameter, the particularly small horned nerite only grows up to 2/3" in shell diameter.
Thanks. Yes, a majority of the people use the term 'Apple Snail' for the Canass though. All this goes back to my initial about common name. LOL, they are annoying.
 

Elodea

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Oh, worse than that. Once I was trying to buy Amano shrimp (Cardina japonica) and found them in a tank mixed with ghost shrimp and all of them were called "algae shrimp".

Then came that time when I bought a few serpae tetras (Hyphessobrycon eques)from Petsmart labeled "Long-finned Red Minor Tetra".
 

Aquarist

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Good morning everyone.

Let's not forget about our forum etiquette. I've removed some posts that were way off topic from the original post. Keep on track and don't be rude. Sometimes we all need to use a little restraint in our responses. Have patience.

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Ken
 

Butterfly

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rainman said:
There are links within the names which show pictures on how to identify the two different species.
When certain words(that are in the site dictionary) (or links) are typed and then posted make us able to click on them and get information. Such as Pomacea canaliculata and in Rainmans post. They usually have solid or dotted lines under them. Not everybody knows this It's ok to ask for clarification of information neither the original poster or the one asking for clarification should be made to feel belittled for the asking.

Marina is the three gallon tank at work with three male bettas in it that is mentioned in your aquarium information the one we're talking about ? If it is then you really don't have room for the snail or the frog.
Diatoms(brown algae) are common in a new tank but will go away on its own.
carol
 

rainman

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Elodea said:
Oh, worse than that. Once I was trying to buy Amano shrimp (Cardina japonica) and found them in a tank mixed with ghost shrimp and all of them were called "algae shrimp".

Then came that time when I bought a few serpae tetras (Hyphessobrycon eques)from Petsmart labeled "Long-finned Red Minor Tetra".
Wow, and I thought that common names were supposed to be shorter than the scientific names. LOL.
 

Butterfly

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rainman said:
Wow, and I thought that common names were supposed to be shorter than the scientific names. LOL.
common names can be shorted and some times you can have several different species of fish with the same name so If you can remember or recognize the scientific names it can save you some surprises down the road.
Carol
 

jerilovesfrogs

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thanks butterfly for the clarification. as someone who's new the to fish keeping hobby, it can get a little overwhelming to be learning so much, and then have scientific names thrown in.....well, it gets really confusing. I try to look at the scientific names, but obviously learning them doesn't happen overnight!
 

rainman

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jerilovesfrogs said:
thanks butterfly for the clarification. as someone who's new the to fish keeping hobby, it can get a little overwhelming to be learning so much, and then have scientific names thrown in.....well, it gets really confusing. I try to look at the scientific names, but obviously learning them doesn't happen overnight!
Yes, sorry. I'm not good with people. I thought you were mocking me. I didn't understand what was being asked.
 

Butterfly

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jerilovesfrogs said:
thanks butterfly for the clarification. as someone who's new the to fish keeping hobby, it can get a little overwhelming to be learning so much, and then have scientific names thrown in.....well, it gets really confusing. I try to look at the scientific names, but obviously learning them doesn't happen overnight!
Your most welcome Jeri! There is so much to learn and it changes all the time LOL I have taken to carrying a pen and paper when I go fish shopping because inevitably something will catch my eye that wasn't on my original list I learned to copy scientific names down then research them that way I knew before I bought them what they were and how to take care of them.
It's easy to get confused and learning anything doesn't happen over night. So relax, enjoy the hobby and let us know if you need anything.
carol
 

ilikefish

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marina3 said:
ilikefish,
I got a mystery (gold) last night AND a little frog that just got introduced to my betta tank!!! The snail started moving a minute after she touched bottom and move all the way to the back of the tank, parking on the glass...before that she did a little stop at the filter intake and kept going!!! So cute! The frog jumped around a little and the betta stops by the bottom giving some curious looks...Not much flaring going on!!!
YaY!... Their so active and fun to watch! enjoy! : D
 
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marina3

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Butterfly,

No, this tank at work has only ONE male betta, and now a snail and a dwarf frog. I have a divided (3 ways) 10 gal tank that houses 3 male bettas but that is not the tank in question...Thanks for asking...I was laughing a little to see how we got "off track" from the original post, but that is OK...I learn anyway from the comments among the other posts...
 

jerilovesfrogs

Member
hey....I got some nerite snails today, a zebra and a tiger. they're happy in my tank! haha. I gave each a little sinking algae wafer, and they are both gone. so cute. I don't have algae, yet, so I have to give them those. i'm going to get some zuchinni, so help with the calcium....who knows what they've been eating at the pet store! I think it's entertaining how they move.....never in the same place for that long.

have you named yours yet? yay for snails!
 
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marina3

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Hey Kate! How are you? I am glad your snails are so active! Mine moves for a little bit and then "parks" itself for awhile, and since I am not here (work) at night, I cannot really appreciate all that it does. I put a piece of lettuce but didn't pay much attention so I removed it. I am going to get some zuchinnI and see if he/she likes it. Don't forget about the cuttlebone for calcium and I read today that even Tums (yes, Tums!)helps, not the peppermint kind, only plain or fruit flavored!!! Also this site recommends Kent Marine Iodide to make the shells nice and shiny and "it won't hurt the fish as long as you don't use the directions for saltwater" <quote> I have not thought of a name yet. My frog's name is"Rene"...I need to upload the pictures I took from my phone. I think Rene is an ADF, but I am not sure, I am going to Petsmart to get another snail for my little tank at home housing Iris so I can watch it more closely and so learn how they behave. About this frog, he is so tinie... Carlitos looks like a "killer whale" (weight wise) by his side.
 
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