New Goldfish Ich, Velvet, Or Fungus? Help

Discussion in 'Freshwater Fish Disease' started by Katestanks02, Jun 30, 2019.

  1. Katestanks02

    Katestanks02Valued MemberMember

    I bought 3 goldfish and have them separated from my others in a 100 tub. On day 7 or 8 of qt I noticed my orange fantail had a fuzzy looking patch on its tail. I added ich x in the water to treat it like it was fungal infection.

    My water is more much more acidic than the water they came in. I usually add crushed coral but I’ve been doing a lot of water changes to keep their water pristine while they’re in qt. I did have a ph drop at one point and started adding seachems cichlid buffer to slowly bring the ph back up. I’ve been able to keep it up around 7.2 for them.

    The orange fantail got worse and now two of the others have what looks like ich but it kind of looks like fungus too. I’ve never dealt with velvet so I don’t know what that looks like either. I think the ph drop is what triggered everything. I’ve been treating them following the instructions of ich x and I added salt. I bought Neoplex and kanaplex just in case it’s bacterial but I haven’t used them yet. I wanted some second opinions about what exactly I’m dealing with. The fish are still eating, no flashing, and otherwise seem to be fine.
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    What is the water volume of the tank? 100 gallons
    How long has the tank been running? 2 weeks (used media and sponge filters from other tanks)
    Does it have a filter? Penn plax cascade canister 1500, 3 sponge filters(2 rated for up to 40 gallons and 1 rated for up to 60)
    Does it have a heater? No
    What is the water temperature? 72
    What is the entire stocking of this tank? (Please list all fish and inverts.) 3.5” Ranchu, 4” fantail Ryukin, 4.5” fantail ryukin, and a couple of ramshorn snails that came on some floating plants.

    Maintenance
    How often do you change the water? Every other day at first but now once a day since Ich x
    How much of the water do you change? 30-40%
    What do you use to treat your water? Ultimate
    Do you vacuum the substrate or just the water? Bare bottom just the water

    *Parameters - Very Important
    Did you cycle your tank before adding fish? Yes
    What do you use to test the water? API ammonia test kit and tetra 6 in 1(I know, I think the strips test the same I also have the api test kit and found my readings come out the same. Strips are just easier in a pinch)
    What are your parameters? We need to know the exact numbers, not just “fine” or “safe”.

    Ammonia:0
    Nitrite:0
    Nitrate:10 sometimes less
    pH: 7.2. When the ph dropped it got to 6.8

    Feeding
    How often do you feed your fish? Twice
    How much do you feed your fish? 2 mouth fulls? I have other gold fish that are great I’m not overfeeding. They get some type of pellet or repashy and then duckweed or a vegetable before bed.
    What brand of food do you feed your fish? Hikari, fluval, repashy, north fin.
    Do you feed frozen or freeze-dried foods? I haven’t fed the new fish frozen yet.

    Illness & Symptoms
    How long have you had this fish? 11 days
    How long ago did you first notice these symptoms?4 days ago
    In a few words, can you explain the symptoms? White spots and fuzzy looking texture
    Have you started any treatment for the illness?yes Hikari ich x and salt
    Was your fish physically ill or injured upon purchase?no they came in great
    How has its behavior and appearance changed, if at all? No change in behavior. The orange one has the fuzzy tail and the other two have spots.
     
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    SkavatarWell Known MemberMember

    1st and 3rd pic is definitely ich. 2nd pic looks like fungus.

    don't see any velvet, gold dust.

    increase the temp if you have a heater to speed up the ich cycle. goldfish can tolerate upper 80's F. 86'F or higher will kill the ich.

    salt can be used to treat both ich and fungus.
     
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    Katestanks02

    Katestanks02Valued MemberMember

    Is there a certain heater that would work better with those totes. It’s just a rubbermaid tub. I was looking at the fluval submersible heaters.
     
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    any will do.
     
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    Katestanks02

    Katestanks02Valued MemberMember

    E963A8E9-4C6E-48CF-B4CA-8D436BC7876D.jpegB3CE2C27-140E-4895-A966-09023FF7BE49.jpeg Update, Fanta, my orange goldfish has gotten worse. His tail now has some red streaking. So far I’ve continued using ich x and salt. My heaters come in tomorrow. The others seem about the same, they may have less white spots tonight but I honestly can’t tell. I’m not sure what to do, I feel really bad since they came in so healthy.
     
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    just keep up with the water changes and the treatments. the ich life cycle is 2-3 weeks depending on temp, the warmer the temps the faster it'll go. 86'F and above will kill them much quicker.
     
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    Katestanks02

    Katestanks02Valued MemberMember

    What about the fungus? I don’t know if it’s turning into a bacterial thing because of all the red. It’s weird that fish doesn’t have any ich spots.
     
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    ich is a parasite, not a fungus.

    fungus is usually what initially causes the finrot. and then when the fish has open wounds the bacteria sets in. you probably need to treat for both bacteria and fungus.
     
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    Katestanks02

    Katestanks02Valued MemberMember

    I know, only two of the fish show the signs of ich. To me it doesn’t look the same as when I’ve treated ich before. Not really like a dusting of salt. All the white spots aren’t uniform and some look like they sit in the flesh and not on top. You said based on their photos you thought it was ich. The third fish has no white spots just the nasty looking fungal infection on its tail and now red streaks. It’s tail looks a lot worse tonight than it has. I also see that it’s tail is starting to have split places. I’ve been treating for ich. The medication I’m using said it also treats fungus but the fish with the fungal infection keeps getting worse instead of better. That’s why I thought it may have been bacterial. Im getting really worried about that fish because it’s starting clamping it’s fins.
     
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    ah ok, i forgot about the other 2 fish, i was just focused on this one. go ahead and start treating with the antibiotics.
     
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    Katestanks02

    Katestanks02Valued MemberMember

    Just thought I’d give you an update. All three are happy and healthy now. I kept salt in the tub and did three doses of kanaplex. I’m still not sure if they had ich. The two that looked like they had ich got better after the first dose. I didn’t end using the heaters because we had several power outages and I didn’t want them to go through a drastic temp change. The orange one with the yucky tail, I was most worried about, got better after the third dose. Unfortunately I think the antibiotics and salt killed my cycle. I’ve been doing 50% water changes every other day and dosing with Seachem safe. Thanks for your help!
     
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    glad they're better :)
     
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