New betta has both ich and fin rot

hoofie

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A few days ago i rescued a male betta with a pretty bad case of fin rot, which was very close to his body in some places. He also seemed to have some ammonia burns on his gills.
I put him in a 2 gallon quarantine tank, with some catappa leaves, a heater and a filter that had been running in a tank for about 4 months, and I set the temperature to 25.5 °C/77.9 °F, and I treated him with Kanaplex.
At the end of the 3rd day of treatment (last night), I noticed that he had some white spots, which I am pretty sure are ich.
I read that ich can be cured using heat (but I also read that that would accelerate the fin rot) and medicine that have malachite green. I happened to have Sera's Omnipur, which contains malachite green oxalate and is said to treat fin rot, bacterial infections, fungal infections, gill and skin flukes and skin injuries and wounds.
I was wondering if it would be safe to administer that after 4 days of treatment with Kanaplex, since Sera says not to combine Omnipur with other medications, and since I am afraid that his body won't be able to handle this amount of medicine.
Also, please let me know if there are any better treatments I should try.
I've added 3 picturess where you can see the white spot on his head, which is the most noticable out of all of them, and a picture from 2 days ago that shows the extent of his fin rot. Also, some of the white spots in the picture are dirt that's in the outside of the aquarium, not on the inside.
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jkkgron2

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Turning the temp up to 86°F and doing small daily water changes are all you need to treat ich. I think that you don’t need to treat with Omnipur yet.
 

Aquariumlover1357

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Wow. That is definitely severe fin rot. He barely has fins! I'd recommend you to look for aquarium salt. Add 1 teaspoon per gallon. This will treat mostly the fin rot, but also the ich a little. Fin rot thrives on heat, due to it being a bacterial infection mostly, so I would not really suggest the heat method, since it might make the fin rot worse. Instead, try some especially made medication for the ich. I used the Microbe-Life Herbtana meant for ich for mine.
 

jkkgron2

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Aquariumlover1357 said:
Wow. That is definitely severe fin rot. He barely has fins! I'd recommend you to look for aquarium salt. Add 1 teaspoon per gallon. This will treat mostly the fin rot, but also the ich a little. Fin rot thrives on heat, due to it being a bacterial infection mostly, so I would not really suggest the heat method, since it might make the fin rot worse. Instead, try some especially made medication for the ich. I used the Microbe-Life Herbtana meant for ich for mine.
Actually more meds could make the fin rot worse. Heat is more effective because it stops the ich from reproducing. As long as the water is oxygenated and frequent water changes are being done the heat will work fine.
 

Aquariumlover1357

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Oh okay sorry. I'm not really all that experienced in that area, since I only had it once with a betta, and treated it with the med since I didn't really know how to raise the temp only 4-5 degrees. Listen to jkkgron2. :D
 
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hoofie

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jkkgron2 said:
Turning the temp up to 86°F and doing small daily water changes are all you need to treat ich. I think that you don’t need to treat with Omnipur yet.
Aquariumlover1357 said:
Wow. That is definitely severe fin rot. He barely has fins! I'd recommend you to look for aquarium salt. Add 1 teaspoon per gallon. This will treat mostly the fin rot, but also the ich a little. Fin rot thrives on heat, due to it being a bacterial infection mostly, so I would not really suggest the heat method, since it might make the fin rot worse. Instead, try some especially made medication for the ich. I used the Microbe-Life Herbtana meant for ich for mine.
Thank you both so much for your advice. I've turned up the temperature and started the daily water changes :)
 

Kjeldsen

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That white spot on his head doesn't look like ich. Is he flashing? The severe fin rot suggests a bacterial infection. If he were mine I'd lower the temp, lower the light, and add aquarium salt at 1 teaspoon per gallon to start. Good luck!
 
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hoofie

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Kjeldsen said:
That white spot on his head doesn't look like ich. Is he flashing? The severe fin rot suggests a bacterial infection. If he were mine I'd lower the temp, lower the light, and add aquarium salt at 1 teaspoon per gallon to start. Good luck!
Thank you so much for your reply and your advice!!
Yes, he is flashing. And it's true that that spot looks a little weird. However, the rest look diffrent and I think they do look like ich (please correct me if I'm wrong). Here are some pictures where you can see the spots on his body better:20200924_214143(0).jpg20200924_214536(0).jpg20200924_214148.jpg20200924_214139(0).jpg20200924_214536.jpg
 

jkkgron2

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hoofie said:
Thank you so much for your reply and your advice!!
Yes, he is flashing. And it's true that that spot looks a little weird. However, the rest look diffrent and I think they do look like ich (please correct me if I'm wrong). Here are some pictures where you can see the spots on his body better:20200924_214143(0).jpg20200924_214536(0).jpg20200924_214148.jpg20200924_214139(0).jpg20200924_214536.jpg
The rest definitely looks like ich. Continuing with the treatment your doing should get rid of the ich. You could up the water changes (if you haven’t already) to 50% daily to get rid of more ich.
 
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hoofie

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jkkgron2 said:
The rest definitely looks like ich. Continuing with the treatment your doing should get rid of the ich. You could up the water changes (if you haven’t already) to 50% daily to get rid of more ich.
I've already been treating him for a few days, I do daily 50% water changes and clean all the decorations with hot water, and the temp is at 30°C/86°F, however he doesn't seem to be getting better, he keeps scratching against decorations and he looks very stressed. Should I keep going or should i try another treatment?
 

jkkgron2

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hoofie said:
I've already been treating him for a few days, I do daily 50% water changes and clean all the decorations with hot water, and the temp is at 30°C/86°F, however he doesn't seem to be getting better, he keeps scratching against decorations and he looks very stressed. Should I keep going or should i try another treatment?
It’s going to take at least another week for the spots to disappear. Two weeks is usually when most or all spots will be gone. No need to clean all the decor, that’s probably what’s stressing him out.
 
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hoofie

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jkkgron2 said:
It’s going to take at least another week for the spots to disappear. Two weeks is usually when most or all spots will be gone. No need to clean all the decor, that’s probably what’s stressing him out.
Ok, thank you so much!!
 
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