I have no idea as to why I didn't get an alert for this questionKwinsee said:Hmm are there any other options other than oyster shells or coral?
I read here that using reverse osmosis water may help? Believe it or not, I actually have a reverse osmosis water filtration system.
Aquarium pH: How to Safely Adjust pH
I’ll wait before adding more ammonia as you suggest.
Let's get the pH up, once done get the ammonia back up to 2ppm. I suspect if we can stabilize the pH the ammonia will start going down like it should. We have been adding ammonia for about 2 weeks now so I do expect you will see 0 ammonia very soon. I actually expected it before now since nitrites went up and back down but the unstable pH may be causing issues.Kwinsee said:Hi
Maybe wait one more day to see if it goes down to 0? Or pump it back up?
I have never used that product so don't know if it would help or not. If you don't rinse the CC first it will almost immediately raise the pH. Since this is a fishless cycle that wouldn't be a problem. When fishes lives are at stake I always recommend rinsing the coral dust off first so it goes up much slower. If you can't get crushed coral oyster shells or limestone will work about the same.Kwinsee said:I went to the pet store and they had no crushed coral. They sold me some
Alkaline buffer. Should I use that to raise the PH or should I try to find crushed coral first. Also, how long does it take for the coral to raise the PH? I assume I would put the coral in a stocking and add that to my filter?
I don't think adding it is going to cause a problem. I prefer natural but sometimes we have to do what we have to do. I would go ahead and add ammonia. Hopefully now that the pH is up you will see the ammonia down to or very close to 0 in 24 hours.Kwinsee said:I went to another pet store near by and they didn’t have the coral either. They ALSO recommended Alkaline Buffer (Seachem - Alkaline Buffer). I took a chance and added the recommended dosage as per Seachems site (I hope I don’t regret it later) and tested an hour later. The PH is now between 7.2 - 7.5
I’ll test it again tomorrow morning.
Should I add the ammonia now or wait until tomorrow ?
Seeing the ammonia lower than expected tells us getting the pH higher is helping. Seeing the nitrites higher tells us things are working well too. Both of these numbers are good things. Now it is just waiting game. Adding ammonia every 48 hours instead of 24 will be often enough at this point. I am really expecting to see 0 ammonia and 0 nitrites any day now.Kwinsee said:Update
added ammonia 24 hours ago
Ammonia 0.5 (lower than I expected)
Nitrite 0.5 (higher than I expected)
should I wait again before adding more ammonia? If so, how much longer should i wait?
should I be concerned the Nitrite is higher today?
I am beginning to think this cycle is done and .25 is the lowest you are going to see until this tank is stocked and established. You may want to add the ammonia one more time but that is totally up to you. You have been amazingly patient. At this point if this was my tank I would do a 50% water change being sure to temp match and add Prime and then get the fish your daughter has been waiting so long for.Kwinsee said:48 hour update
Ammonia 0.25 (still not a clear zero/yellow)
should I add the 40 drops of ammonia now?
Please do keep me updated. If ammonia spikes (I really don't expect it to do so) just keep up with water changes should it go above the .25 you are seeing in the test tube. If it goes no higher it will be time to go to the weekly water changes.Kwinsee said:Ok
I’ll do the 50 WC / add prime if that’s what you would do at this point.
I had to be extra patient because I don’t want to buy fish again to put them through the agony the last 2 probably went through
my daughter will be a happy camper tonight when I tell her we’re going shopping for fish
I’ll keep you posted
Thanks a million
Have you run the nitrate test on your tap water? If the water change didn't lower them you may have some in your tap water.Kwinsee said:I guess I’m just paranoid, but an hour after the WC I just checked and it’s still the exact same readings as before the WC.
I thought the WC would have brought the ammonia to a more definitive yellow or lower the nitrate but it didn’t.
Does it look like a solid .25 or is it just not a bright yellow? If you are having a difficult time determining if there is any ammonia then I think we determined that is what you are going to always see in he test tube. Or at least see until this tank is firmly established. If you are shaking the ammonia testing solution bottles and you still see this each time I have to think it is going to be what you will always see.Kwinsee said:Hiya
So we finally got the little guy. Things are going well so far except the ammonia is still hovering at 0.25. Not a clear yellow. I found the attached picture online which breaks down the readings into a more comprehensible chart. According to the chart, they suggest I add prime at this point. Thoughts?
Should I just wait, or should I take any action?
I agree, there is no harm but in this case it might not be necessary right now.aIvinn said:In my humble opinion, I don't believe that there's any harm in still doing a 50% WC to get the ppm closer to 0 than to .25 .
This is really great news. 20 really isn't that high but if it would make you feel more comfortable go ahead and change some water. 50% should get it down to 10. When I said it is time to go to weekly water changes I didn't mean you had to wait that long. I just meant you probably wouldn't actually HAVE to do one sooner.Kwinsee said:Hi
Took the readings today and it looks like the ammonia is actually yellow now. Or as close to yellow as I remember seeing it.
Do you still think I should wait until it’s been a week before doing the WC? Is 20ppm a bit high?
If I WC, 50%?
If you added Prime for the full tank when you did your water change just wait until tomorrow. Let's give the bacteria a chance to do its job. If you didn't add enough for all the water in the tank go ahead and add enough to make up for it.Kwinsee said:Hi again
We added a 2nd goldfish last week since all the numbers looked good. The ammonia is the only one that fluctuates. It’s usually around .25 but when I tested it today it’s closer to .5 or even 1.
Ph/nitrite/nitrate are all good
I did a 50% WC and then tested 2 hours later but it seems the ammonia is still hovering at the same .5-1
Should I do another 50% WC right away or wait until tomorrow?
Not sure what to make of this.
Water changes will add a bit of ammonia but a strong cycle will be able to handle it. It is good that you added enough prime. Hopefully this is just a little glitch and will soon work itself out.Kwinsee said:I did test my tap water and it seems it’s also at 0.25. Not a clear yellow. Does that make a difference?
I did add enough prime for the whole tank, so I guess I’ll check tomorrow
I remember now. Another water change might be best. Since you have some ammonia in your tap water you can't get it down to zero in the tank but it will be better if you can keep it below .5 I would rather see .25 but that may be difficult.Kwinsee said:I started the cycling process with fish food, but then moved on to ammonia drops.
If it’s still higher tomorrow should I do another 50% change?
I am so happy to hear this. It has been my pleasure to help guide you through the process. Hopefully you will enjoy this wonderful hobby for many years to come. Please do stick around and share what you've learned with others.Kwinsee said:It seems the ammonia has finally leveled off. It’s been a clear yellow for the last couple of days.
Hopefully this means I’m finally a successful fish keeper
Just wanted to take this opportunity to thank you for all of your advice. I probably would have abandoned this long ago had it not been for your help and those who helped before you.
Hopefully with more experience, I’ll be able to pass on what I learn to the next rookie.
Again thanks so much.