New ADF - Fungus?

Lucky999

Hi all,

I just got two African Dwarf Frogs. I had them as a kid and 17 years later bought a small 10 gallon tank, cycled it for two weeks, stabilized at 78 degrees, made sure the water was at 0, 0, 0 and bought my two little girls Patty and Selma. It’s just them in the tank but I’m contemplating maybe getting a betta and a snail in the future.

Its been three days that I’ve had my girls at home and I’ve noticed that my smallest (Patty) seems to be shedding irregularly. I was convinced she had a small white spot on her nose, but Selma has one too and I think that might just be what their noses look like . The spot isn’t fuzzy. They are both eating fine, and seem to be behaving normally. Patty hides A LOT more than Selma, but she’s also half as big.

I originally assumed Patty had a fungal infection and planned on getting something (I’m not sure what) to treat her tomorrow. My plan was to treat the whole tank as I assumed Selma likely has it too if it came from the pet store.

Now I’m not sure. Half of me wants to ‘wait and see’ but I don’t want to wait too long and lose my little girl.

I’d attach a picture but I haven’t seen Patty since I fed her

Any advice would be appreciated. I thought I knew what I was doing but I realized as a kid, i really was involved in the bare minimum of care!

Thanks!
A few more details: I’ve heard that thrashing and ‘trying to escape’ are signs of chytrid. Selma (the unaffected ADF) has bursts of energy where she swims up and down the side of the tank or pokes her nose in the corner kind of looking like she wants to escape. She also goes up for air more than Patty, sometimes quite frequently for a few minutes. I noticed this even when I was taking her home in the bag. This behaviour isn’t constant though. She has maybe two or three of these hyperactive periods a day. She also goes and ‘burbles’ (I think) in the little patch of water lettuce I have in the corner near my heater usually around when I turn the light off for the night. I’ve both read online that this is normal AND that this is a cause for concern. In general she’s a lot weirder than Patty, and I don’t know if this is normal or if I should be concerned and these are signs of chytrid. Or, for that matter, if I should be concerned that Patty isn’t as active.
 

Bruinfishkeeper1

As for what the white spot is, we're gonna need some pictures to properly determine the cause. Some ADF's are quite derpy and will have their random hyper moments. Mine just kinda chills out all day along in plants and stuff. Then in the evening she goes up to the surface a lot more. Sometimes when she gasps for air she hyperley sprints down and spazzez. Also you said that your tank was 0 0 0, however for your tank to be cycled you would need to have some amount of nitrates. Unless you have live plants that feed from the water column that established that fast, I don't think your cycle is fully complete.
 
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Lucky999

As for what the white spot is, we're gonna need some pictures to properly determine the cause. Some ADF's are quite derpy and will have their random hyper moments. Mine just kinda chills out all day along in plants and stuff. Then in the evening she goes up to the surface a lot more. Sometimes when she gasps for air she hyperley sprints down and spazzez. Also you said that your tank was 0 0 0, however for your tank to be cycled you would need to have some amount of nitrates. Unless you have live plants that feed from the water column that established that fast, I don't think your cycle is fully complete.

I had nitrates at 25 mg/L and when they peaked added some water lettuce and within a few days the nitrate level went down to zero. This was a bit before I got the frogs.

I will try to get a picture! My frogs seem to know what a phone is and run when they see it.
 
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Bruinfishkeeper1

I had nitrates at 25 mg/L and when they peaked added some water lettuce and within a few days the nitrate level went down to zero. This was a bit before I got the frogs.

I will try to get a picture! My frogs seem to know what a phone is and run when they see it.
Oh ok I didn't realize the timing of you adding the frog lol.

Wow your ADF's have strong awareness. ADF's are actually almost fully blind so that's pretty impressive for them.
 
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Lucky999

Oh ok I didn't realize the timing of you adding the frog lol.

Wow your ADF's have strong awareness. ADF's are actually almost fully blind so that's pretty impressive for them.

I wouldn’t be surprised if the one has above average eye sight, she’s a breeze to feed and seems to know exactly where the food is. The little one though is probably much more blind. Making sure the bigger guy doesn’t take all the food is a bit of a struggle.
Oh ok I didn't realize the timing of you adding the frog lol.

Wow your ADF's have strong awareness. ADF's are actually almost fully blind so that's pretty impressive for them.

Yeah, I wouldn’t be surprised if Selma has above average eyesight. Feeding her is a breeze and she seems pretty aware of where the food is. Patty is probably pretty blind though, and trying to make sure she gets food before the other one finds it is a bit of a struggle.
I’m attaching a picture of the frog I was worried about (Patty)The light in my apartment sucks, and my tanks pretty hard to get a good picture. She doesn’t appear to be ‘shedding’ irregularly anymore. I’m not sure if I imagined it. Also I’m pretty sure the lighter patch on her nose is just her nose.
 

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Wow your ADF's have strong awareness. ADF's are actually almost fully blind so that's pretty impressive for them.

They are predators who pounce on thier prey. They can't be that blind. Mine can definitely see out of the tank at least a few foot or so.
 
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Bruinfishkeeper1

They are predators who pounce on thier prey. They can't be that blind. Mine can definitely see out of the tank at least a few foot or so.
To respectfully disagree I would have to say that many researchers have found them to be nearly blind. It's merely their instinct to be able to do that. They have the ability to sense food. If they were not blind then they wouldn't have to pounce so awkwardly and they would just straight up eat their food. Also I know for a fact that my adf isn't aggressive but sometimes he gives accidental pecks at the corys because he senses food nearby but doesn't know where to peck.
 
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Lucky999

Update:
Ok so the little one I was worried about continues to shed pretty frequently and not easily. My attached photo really doesn’t show it well but it was the best I could get.

I’m really concerned it’s chytrid and went out looking for Lamasil AT but I don’t think it’s available where I live. I heard about heat treatments- raising the temperature to above 30 gradually for a few days, as the fungus doesn’t do well in heat. Does anyone have any advice?

So far both their behaviour is normal, the little one with the shedding problem still hides more than the big one but they both seem to be behaving somewhat normally and are eating fine.

Thanks
 

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