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philipbouchard-davies

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Could 4 neons happily live in a 5.5 gallon with a dwarf platy and a filter made for a 30 gallon tank? aqadvisor said it could work and the inch a gallon rule fits?

Phil
 

ppate1977

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You may be in for a LOT of water changes, I'm sure you could make it work. Use live plants for helping with nitrate and provide different areas. As you said overfilter. Many I'm sure will disgree (because that is overstocked), I'm just saying you could do it if your willing to put in extra cleaning time.
 
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Lucy

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In my opinion and experience, neons need more swim space than a 5 gallon allows.
 

Elodea

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Lucy said:
In my opinion and experience, neons need more swim space than a 5 gallon allows.
+1.

Though it can "theoretically" can work, you'll have a shoal of miserable fish in your hands. Although neon tetras aren't crazy-hyperactive like danios, they still prefer a bit of swim space, with 10 gallons being the minimum.
 

Rhan

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The problem with overstocking very small tanks is not just the bioload, but the lack of swim space. You can have all the filtration in the world, but it's not going to help give your fish room to swim. Would you enjoy living in a tiny little room for the rest of your life, where you can walk around in small circles, but not able to do a quick sprint or jog if you feel like it? Like a prisoner who doesn't get to have a bit of time in the exercise yard every day? That is the way I see it.

And neons do need to be in a school of at least 6, they are schooling fish afterall.

I respect aqadvisor for trying to help out fishkeepers, but as many people here agree, it is still a flawed tool. Good on you for not just relying on it and getting some other opinions
 

FredBjammin

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2nd on what Lucy said. My 5 neon's acted very passive when I had them in a 10G.
I do like the plant Idea, then add a few snails to help with the cleaning.
 

Meenu

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Elodea said:
+1.

Though it can "theoretically" can work, you'll have a shoal of miserable fish in your hands. Although neon tetras aren't crazy-hyperactive like danios, they still prefer a bit of swim space, with 10 gallons being the minimum.
+ another one. I don't think bioload would be your problem. I have neons in my 30 gallon, and they love to spread out and explore the entire tank. They are pretty active.
 
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philipbouchard-davies

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awwww ok cuz at the moment I have 2 platys and its not working the one harasses the other to no end (they are both males) so I'm looking for something else I can add.

ps I do have live plants.

Phil
 

peacemaker92

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IMO, I'd suggest then to either get a bigger tank for them then you can add some more fish and some hiding places or return one of them back to the LFS.
 
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philipbouchard-davies

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Ya I'm going to return the mean, and before next christmas this tank is going to be upgraded to a 27 gallon hex (I already have just don't have the space) but the tank looks so empty with one DWARF platy.

Phil
 

Kunsthure

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5g tanks are great for inverts like dwarf shrimp!

27g hex tanks don't have a large footprint and therefore limited swimming space so it kinda brings you back to your current issue. Just something to think about.

-Lisa
 
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philipbouchard-davies

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It still brings the question what could I put in with the dward platy that isint a livebearer?

Phil
 
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Lucy

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philipbouchard-davies said:
It still brings the question what could I put in with the dward platy that isint a livebearer?

Phil
In which tank?
 

jetajockey

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you could probably get away with a really small species, a couple of CPDs would fit but I'm not sure about aggression issues from the platy because of the tight quarters

A platy is as community as a community fish gets, but even they can get ornery from bumping into the same creatures over and over.
 
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philipbouchard-davies

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for the 5.5 and ya the two platys don't work the one which I like better just hides behind the filter intake all day.

and stupid question what's a CPD?

Phil
 

jetajockey

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celestial pearl danio (aka galaxy rasbora)
 
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philipbouchard-davies

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Ya I looked in to those but I'm not willing to pay 9.80 per fish so to get a small school of 6 it would cost me 58 bucks for tiny fish haha.

Phil
 
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philipbouchard-davies

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I think I'm going to go with 5 neons this is my reasoning:

peacemaker92 has a 8 gal planted cardinal tank so I'm guessing that's about 6 cardinals push 2 inches while neons stay around 1 sooooo

6 2 inch fish= 12 inches in a 8 gal
5 1 inch plus a 1.5= 6.5 in a 5.5 gal now whos more overstocked?

Phil
 

Kunsthure

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The 1" rule is really rudimentary and doesn't take into account things like activity level or shape of the tank. A lot of people here ignore it, or use it like Aqadvisor, as a general, basic starting point. And just because another member has a certain stocking level doesn't mean it's right (not saying that Peacemaker92 is wrong ). However, you will also find conflicting info depending on who responds to your post because I've been that I could put neons in my 5g.

The fish I've looked at for my 5 gallon are chilI rasboras, dwarf emerald rasboras, Dario Dario, sparkling gourami. Some people may say that a dwarf gouramI could go in a 5g. And there's always a betta.

-Lisa
 

ppate1977

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Told ya people would disagree. Lol. I did indicate overstocking would be the reason. Thing is when you put tetra in a small tank, they tend not to school. Its not as pretty as the schooling they will exibit in a larger tank. Have you though of going single fish? Dwarf puffers are fun and one will love and work great in a 5gal or 6gal for that matter.
 
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philipbouchard-davies

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I have a platy already

Phil
 

Kunsthure

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You could exchange one platy instead of returning it. There are four male platys and three female mollies in my daughter's tank and they all get along. There are the occasional chases but that's normal. It really helps to have a lot of plants and decorations so they have hiding places.

-Lisa
 

Elodea

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I'm not going to start an argument here, but...

Just because one person does one thing doesn't mean it's right (I'm not saying that you're wrong, Peacemaker, your tank is fine). Peacemaker's tank is larger, it's not really a bioload problem, but a swim space. For tiny fish like neons, a one gallon difference is actually pretty big. To reinforce my point...

Look at my 10 gallon tank. It's bad. Really bad. All the fish, though possible compatible, grow too large for the tank. It's overstocked, the quantity is all wrong, and all that. Does that mean that you can still stock your tank like mine? I hope not. My tank is problematic, but it'll have to stay that way, because currently no one's going to take my fish, so rehoming's not an option.

I just think that neon tetras don't belong in a 5 gallon tank. Why not make it a beautiful invert tank? I'm sure there's a massive assortment of gorgeous snails and shrimp that will be perfectly happy in your tank. The possibilities are endless...huge, spiral-shelled Tylomelania snails, brightly colored nerite snails (including the horned nerite, a little snail with long needles on its shell), the transparent ghost shrimp, bright red cherry shrimp, striped tiger shrimp...
 
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philipbouchard-davies

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Selection in my town is bad plus my tank is pretty long.

Phil
 

Elodea

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There's always Aquabid. And here's one of our wonderful members selling rare inverts from her new fish store (at great prices, too):
 

Kunsthure

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I thoroughly endorse Harpua. I'd buy my inverts from her in a heartbeat if I had a cycled tank in which to put them. I hope she still has some left by the time my 5 gallon is ready.

-Lisa
 
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