Neolamprologus Brevis ID

carsonsgjs

Hi everyone,

To cut a long story short, ive ended up with two different varieties of neolamprologus brevis in my tank - 4 of the same kind and 1 odd one out. Just trying to work out which varieties i have.

the first picture is the lone female that i have (she had a partner but he went back because of aggression issues) and the second picture is a male/female pair of the other kind (there is also another pair in the same tank).

does anyone have any ideas? From what ive managed to research, im thinking the darker ones are kitumba and the single one may be a sunspot, but may be completely wrong!
 

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carsonsgjs

Just a bump on this one guys. Just had my first spawn (woo) so now im really wondering what kind of brevis i have.
 
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Yeoy

Just a bump on this one guys. Just had my first spawn (woo) so now im really wondering what kind of brevis i have.

Congrats on the spawn! Shellies seem to be prolific breeders once they get going. I had Brevis some years ago and they built a cool colony over time.

In terms of ID, I thought Brevis was the species so not sure if there's different "types". It's possible it's just different colour due to health, age, size etc? Otherwise it could be a similar fish like Multi (closely related) or some other neo. or shell dweller?

Either way, awesome fish and can't wait to see a post when your fry come along.
 
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MacZ

The lone female could be of the variant sold as "sun spot", which I have learned to know as the holotype variant of the species back in the day. The other two seem to be of a variant sold as "Kapampa" nowerdays.
In any case both are still under the species N. brevis. There are at least 5-6 different variants.
 
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carsonsgjs

Thanks for the replies MacZ and Yeoy. To be honest, id given up trying to work it out but agree with you mac, definitely some sort of sunspot and the others i have arent regular brevis either. Kapampa looks right to me. All were sold as standard brevis.
The first spawn caught me off guard but there are about 4 or 5 1 inch long new additions to the main tank that survived without being eaten (some pics included).
The latest spawn is from the other pair that i have which was a freak accident - one of my nerites crawled into one of their shells while i was on a conference call (very distracting) and despite wanting to leave them too it, i caved and ended up having a quick look inside the shell to see if i could free the nerite. Looked inside and there were around 40 fry with egg sacs intact, so had just hatched. Managed to set up a breeder net in a panic and now have them in a small growout tank - about 30 or so i think. All doing well but just need to work out what to do with them!
 

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Yeoy

Fry look good. I'd trust Mac's opinion re: variety as most Tangs are very hard to come by where I am and we get very limited access to most species (and even harder to get info on them).

Fry look great! They can be very prolific so if you don't have a plan, tanks and space for them it might be best to not actively save them and just let nature run it's course. Most African cichlids I've owned are quite attentive parents (up to a point). Try your local groups, fish shops etc... and see if there's interest to sell them on. Otherwise, you'll end up with 100 fish in a few months and no space for them.
 
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MacZ

Fry look great! They can be very prolific so if you don't have a plan, tanks and space for them it might be best to not actively save them and just let nature run it's course. Most African cichlids I've owned are quite attentive parents (up to a point). Try your local groups, fish shops etc... and see if there's interest to sell them on. Otherwise, you'll end up with 100 fish in a few months and no space for them.

Depending on the tank size I would let a colony of 5-6 adults and up to 10 subadults form. Then the numbers usually start to stabilize. Doesn't work every time, though.
 
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carsonsgjs

Depending on the tank size I would let a colony of 5-6 adults and up to 10 subadults form. Then the numbers usually start to stabilize. Doesn't work every time, though.
My lfs will take them for store credit, which i have as a backup plan. Shellies, and tangs generally, just arent that popular here it seems. My lfs specialises in cichlids but doesnt have many tangs in compared to mbuna and new worlds.

Shame really, ideal cichlids for those getting into the hobby with limited space.
 
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MacZ

Tanganyikans are usually rather subtle in colouration, but make up for that with intricate colour patterns (look at an adult Altolamprologus calvus and tell me the patterns are boring, even though only grey, black, brown and beige) and behaviour (shellies especially) in my opinion. Back when I shared the hobby with my dad he was the one going for the colourful Malawis and Victorians, I was the one with the Tanganyikans.

Shame really, ideal cichlids for those getting into the hobby with limited space.

Or with rockhard water.
 
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carsonsgjs

Thought i’d provide an update on how things are going here and keep a bit of a journal here (mods - feel free to move the thread!).

So far so good in terms of the fry in the growout tank. Pretty slow growing but they now look like they resemble fish rather than tadpoles. Probably between 20 and 30 but there’s no way i can count them accurately.

The 4 fry from previous spawns that were left in the main tank to fend for themselves are doing well too, with one getting pretty big and all of them having their own little spot in there to call home. I’ve included a pic of the largest one compared to dad....or it could be uncle. Who knows?

Interestingly, i don’t think I’ve had another spawn from either pair since i managed to catch the fry that I’m growing out now. Certainly havent seen any newly hatched fry anyway. Nothing has changed in terms of tank conditions and they are definitely all still paired, but in a way I’m kind of glad - I’ve got nowhere to keep them for the time being!
 

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Yeoy

Baby tangs are so cute! Love to see this. They may not breed again if they're still ''raising'' the older fry, some fish won't breed again until the first batch is old enough. Looks great.

Also if you want to count the fry, you can put something like a white background e.g. piece of paper behind the tank, take a photo and then count them in the photo.
 
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MacZ

They may not breed again if they're still ''raising'' the older fry, some fish won't breed again until the first batch is old enough.

Most shellies are colony breeders, N. brevis are, too. If they stop there is usually something else.
 
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carsonsgjs

Moved the fry from the grow out tank to the main tank today to continue their development. A nice family reunion it seems.

The larger fish on the left is one of the original fry raised in the tank. She (i think) has suddenly grown and is almost as big as the other mature females. Big male lurking in the background doesn’t seem to mind the new additions.
 

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