Nemo Tank - Possible?

  1. ValerieAdams

    ValerieAdams Well Known Member Member

    Okay, so I know the actual species from Nemo aren't compatible but are there some that may look similar and work in a tank together? I don't have a tank or anything at all. This is just an idea that I want to do, so I could get whatever tank would be best. Here's a picture of the Nemo squad for reference. Chrs_tank.jpg
     
  2. KinsKicks

    KinsKicks Fishlore VIP Member

    Hello!

    So just to break it down really quick if the squad

    • Nemo = Clownfish (Amphiprion). However, if you want to keep one, I recommend Amphiprion ocellaris (Ocellaris Clownfish). This one is the most possible and hardiest choice for your first saltwater tank and appropriate for a smaller set up. (I’m assuming it’s your first? Correct me if I’m wrong :) )

    • Gill = Moorish Idol (Zanclus cornutus). The most impossible choice; even the most advanced aquarists and institutes have a very difficult time keeping one alive for more than a few months.

    • Gurgle = Royal Gramma (Gramma loreto). Also a choice; it’s another hardy beginner saltwater fish and for a smaller set up.

    • Deb = Three Stripe Damselfish (Dascyllus aruanus). Another possible choice; however, I don’t really recommend them for a smaller tank as they are real terrorizers if tried to keep in a community. But, if you wanted to keep them mainly solitary, then they can work for a smaller tank.

    • Bubbles = Yellow Tang (Zebrasoma flavescens). Can also be a choice. Moderately hardy (are susceptible to ich and HITH) they do need a larger tank. Absolute bare minimum is a 75g BUT at least a 100g is much more preferred as they do get quite large and are quite active

    • Bloat = Porcupine Pufferfish (Diodon hystrix). If you want this puffer exactly, you’d need at least a 100g. They’re also big, bulky, slow, and one of the messiest eaters ever (and you couldn’t keep it in a reef). While they are a sturdy fish, I don’t recommend them for the beginner, and costs for feeding adds up quickly. While there are other pufferfish that are smaller and a bit easier to take care of, I usually don’t recommend any sort of puffer for a first time saltwater tank.


    So, all in all, your best bet would be the clownfish, Royal Gramma, damselfish, and yellow tang.

    While the damselfish is compatible tank size, they have a very aggressive nature that most people don’t always want to deal with unless you have larger set ups. The yellow tang also needs a larger set up as well.

    However, if you want to start a small SW set-up, try a 20 or 30g. You can very much keep a clownfish (or pair) with a Royal Gramma with a little bit of room for some other fish in these tank sizes. These two are very hardy fish and do well for a first timer; they pretty forgiving when you are trying to figure things out, and won’t destroy your reef if you plan to keep one.
     
  3. stella1979

    stella1979 Fishlore VIP Member

    Awww... I love that you have all the character names and species name right in that amazing brain of yours @KinsKicks . I truly love reading a fun and informative post like this from you.:joyful:

    One thing I would add - Gurgle, the Royal Gramma, is portrayed as a narrower fish that spends a lot of time in a vertical position. Grammas are sort of slender but don't hang out vertically so much. So, the more slender shape and vertical behavior are more reminiscent of a firefish for me. They are also hardy, work in smaller setups, and come in purple!:smug:
     


  4. J

    Jesterrace Well Known Member Member

    It's pretty clear that Disney/Pixar did a fair bit of research into the ocean life, but 0 research into a Marine Aquarium. That aquarium is wrong in so many ways (some pointed out by the previous post).

    1) Judging from the movie it looks like that was all stuffed in a 30-40 gallon tank and of all the fish in there only the Royal Gramma and Occ clownfish (ie Nemo) are suited for that size tank

    2) If you take a closer look the idiots decided to stick saltwater fish in a freshwater setup. Notice the gravel, bubblers, fake goofy decorations, basically everything that is suitable for a freshwater setup. You don't however see live rock, sand substrate, corals powerheads/wavemakers, basically everything that is crucial (okay maybe not the corals) for a saltwater tank to be healthy long term

    3) As mentioned above Moorish Idols are an absolute bear to keep, about the only thing harder to keep than them are sharks or rays

    4) matching the temperament on that lot in any size tank would be fun, as mentioned the Damsel has a serious case of "little man's syndrome" and the Yellow Tang can be quite assertive (as can the clownfish when it comes to staking out it's turf) and as mentioned above really needs a 75 gallon or larger tank to be happy long term, The Royal Gramma is somewhat of a conundrum as they can either be super shy or super fiesty. As for the Puffer Fish personally if you learn about it you would think twice. People think it's cool to see them puff up, but in an aquarium it's actually a bad thing as they are usually very stressed when they do this and may actually need help deflating afterwards. About the only Puffer I would consider would be the smaller Toby puffers (ie Valentini or Blue Spotted Puffer) since they are stunning as is, just make sure you do your research as some can release toxins into the tank when stressed and can kill everything in the tank.

    I know it's frustrating because you want the look, but reality just doesn't jive with what Hollywood is showing you there (a common theme).
     
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    ValerieAdams

    ValerieAdams Well Known Member Member

    I did do a little bit of research before I posted and knew that Gill and Bloat were basically out of the question. I also remember reading about how Deb and Bubbles could be difficult as well. I'm not honestly too concerned about the exact types of fish that were in the movie because I knew some of them couldn't work. So do you have suggestions for fish with similar colors that may be more hardy and work together better? I'm not sure what tank size I want, but I do want to do corals eventually. I think I want to do bigger than a 30g though.

    Yes, I was looking at LiveAquria.com and noticed the firefish and thought they looked similar

    I agree, the aquarium setup in the movie is less than ideal but I did know that. I'm really not looking into the exact types of fish in the movie because I did read about them before posting and was aware that some of them wouldn't work. I really don't even want a puffer I don't think, maybe just something that might resemble one or have the same brownish color.
     
  6. stella1979

    stella1979 Fishlore VIP Member

    Great! I'm so glad to see that you're thinking of a 30g+ tank.

    Another fish has come to mind. :) Deb is portrayed as black, white & blue, but the 3 stripe damsel is just black & white. The Bengaii Cardinalfish is black & white and has some truly excellent finnage. So, this fish could possibly fill the spots for Deb & Gill. :) They tend to pick a spot and hang out there, not moving around a whole lot. So, not the most active fish, but beautiful nonetheless. I don't have personal experience here, but many say they do better in odd-numbered groups, so perhaps 3 would be good... as long as you've got the tank size and biofilter for all these fish.;)
     


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    ValerieAdams

    ValerieAdams Well Known Member Member

    I haven't got anything yet, I'm figuring out my stocking plan before hand so I can get whatever I need to accommodate the fish I plan to get! Honestly, it probably won't happen until summer is over but I want to start working everything out now! I also plan on getting a tank when my pet store has their sale again
     
  8. stella1979

    stella1979 Fishlore VIP Member

    Excellent plan! Very smart of you to do the research before buying. :)

    This also gives you plenty of time to research the other aspects of saltwater fish keeping. Probably the first thing to consider is how you'll provide saltwater for the tank. ;)
     
  9. Discus-Tang

    Discus-Tang Well Known Member Member

    I think the awful setup was intentional, as it was in a dentist's office (in Sydney I think lol)
     
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    ValerieAdams

    ValerieAdams Well Known Member Member

    P. Sherman 42 Wallaby Way Sydney. How could anyone forget? Lol

    Yes, I really don't know the first thing about saltwater. I have read the pinned threads on the Saltwater Beginners forum but I still have a lot to learn. Any suggestions to get started?
     
  11. Discus-Tang

    Discus-Tang Well Known Member Member

    Judging by the window view I know roughly where it is. Taronga/Northern Beaches area
     
  12. stella1979

    stella1979 Fishlore VIP Member

    I hear Dori in my head when reading that... sitting here with a couple of toddlers right now and seriously considering movie time before lunch, lol.

    Yes! I do have suggestions. :) Start with researching the ways you can provide water for this tank. You might have an LFS that sells saltwater and/or highly purified water that's intended to be mixed with the marine salt of your choice. If I'm not mistaken, you said you'd like corals someday, so you may as well get started right. The purity of water is measured with a TDS (total dissolved solids) meter, and reefers are looking to use water with zero TDS... RODI water.:)
    Marine Aquarium Acronyms: RO/DI Defined

    It may feel like a big spend, but buying your own RODI system is the easiest and safest way to provide water for your tank. Installation is easy, and maintenance is minimal as parts may only need replacing once or twice a year. RODI is safer because you'd know that there is nothing in your water that you didn't purposely add. It's also a better financial investment in the long run when you consider the time, gas, and extra money you'll spend on those trips to the LFS to get water. Don't be fooled into thinking that you'll only buy water on those trips.;) Not to mention, water is heavy! I do not recommend buying LFS water for anything larger than a nano tank.

    Next you'll want to decide which salt you'll use. Some pretty major players like famous aquaculturist Jason Fox and large aquarium exhibits are very happy using Instant Ocean, or IO. :) I use Red Sea Salt, (RSS) from a blue bucket. Don't be fooled into thinking you need a reef specific salt for corals though. IO has another salt called IORC, (IO Reef Crystals) and Red Sea has Coral Pro, (RSCP). Marketing might make you think you need these salts for the 'right' paramters in a reef tank, when the truth is, coral specific salts achieve elevated parameters which may be useful for established reef tanks full of growing coral. I'm more than a year in with my 20g reef and do have lots of growing coral. I also watch my parameters closely and know that I do not need a coral specific salt.

    I would then decide on tank size, substrate, and hardscape. Rocks are pretty important in saltwater, mostly because the hold the tank's cycle. I'd suggest getting live sand and dry rock. There are pros and cons to using either live or dry rock, so do a little research and ask any questions you might have. I'm glad to help however I can, but this is already getting to be a pretty long post. :)

    Oh! One more thing... This is a great guide to starting your first reef tank. (FYI - Reef tanks have coral, FOWLRS have fish only with live rock, (no coral), and both refer to different types of saltwater tanks. The biggest difference in a reef build and a FOWLR build is the cost of reef lighting.:rolleyes:)

    Nart's Budget Nano Saltwater Guide For Beginners
     
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    ValerieAdams

    ValerieAdams Well Known Member Member

    I will start some research and come back here if I have questions lol. I heard Dory's voice too, makes me want to watch Disney movies when I get off work. Although I may or may not have already bought tickets to see Incredibles 2 tonight lol. When you buy this stuff, where do you typically find the best prices? My local fish stores are absolutely ridiculous price wise. Is there an issue with buying used equipment from ebay or other places like that? I would probably buy the rock and sand new (I have read a little on them and how they have issues with many different living things in them and not really knowing what you may find) Also, what kind of tank size would you suggest based on what I am wanting to get? I definitely want a pair of clown fish, a Royal Gramma or firefish, some sort of black and white striped fish and a yellow fish (I know that isn't super specific). And do you typically add fish or coral first, I know that a while in the future but I'm still curious lol
     
  14. Ms rose

    Ms rose Well Known Member Member

    33(?) walibee way sydney, to be exct hahaha
     
  15. stella1979

    stella1979 Fishlore VIP Member

    Marine Depot and Bulk Reef Supply are both very good online vendors with competitive pricing. BRS has free shipping on most items, but you can't beat Marine Depot's rewards program. ;) In fact, when you're ready to buy, and if you are comfortable PM'in me your email address, I can send you a referral from Marine Depot that will earn us both $10.:D

    And, of course, there's always Amazon.

    There's nothing at all wrong with getting used equipment where you can. The trouble is that most pieces of equipment have a somewhat limited lifespan. I would not buy used heaters for example, as they are some of the most common items to break after some time in use. Where buying used really shines is when you can pick up a fairly complete setup for a steal.

    I'm a nano tank keeper, so am not great at recommended tank sizes. I do have some things to point out though. A larger water volume means larger/pricier/more equipment, and if you go over 50g's or so, you'd do best to plumb in a sump under the tank. Also, with reef tanks, deeper water means more/stronger/pricier lighting. It's for these reasons that I prefer nano long tanks, and when I say nano, I mean 30g's or less. My nano reef is a 20g long, and I'd be comfortable with 4 small fish in it. I think it would be awesome if you could pick up a 30 long, but don't see them available much.

    So, if you want to go for volume so you are free to stock as you like, this is where finding an already plumbed, used, sumped system would be great. They are often available in buy/sell/trade forums, Craigslist and so on. Plenty of people are eager to get these large things out of the way, so are often willing to sell cheap. They may come with stuff you don't need or want, but if money is saved here, the funds may be put towards new heaters and pumps for example. Bonus, spare/old heaters and pumps are needed for mixing up saltwater for water changes. Also, rocks can be sterilized if you're up for a little manual labor.;)
     
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    ValerieAdams

    ValerieAdams Well Known Member Member

    So basically, long tanks are better for reefs? I'll keep my eye out for people selling old tanks and hopefully I'll find something lol
     
  17. J

    Jesterrace Well Known Member Member

    Yes, I wouldn't say that height and width don't matter, but horizontal swimming length is definitely the dimension most used. The only reason I even get my fish into the top part of my tank on a regular basis is because that is where my seaweed feeding clip is and where the Reef Frenzy is fed.
     
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    ValerieAdams

    ValerieAdams Well Known Member Member

    What size do you have?
     
  19. penguin02

    penguin02 Well Known Member Member

    Following :)

    You should get a cleaner shrimp. He’s my favorite character :p
     
  20. stella1979

    stella1979 Fishlore VIP Member

    Thought I'd share that you can find some good videos about this tank on YouTube. Here's @Jesterrace 's 90g reef with beautiful fishes and euphyllia corals. :)


    Here's a way too long and distorted:rolleyes: view of our 20g long with a firefish named Scorch. :emoji_fire::D