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We have a 75gl freshwater that we have been running for about 2 years now. We love it and has been a learning process the whole time. We have always thought about switching it to a saltwater at some point and yesterday she blew me away. We were talking about them the last couple of days and she hit me with a "How about we just buy a new tank for the saltwater and put the fresh in our bedroom?" I was literally floored!

So we started looking around and kept coming back to the Red Sea MAX 250. The reason being is that it includes almost everything. We know we would still need more equipment, but this comes with a lot of it.

Is that they way to go? Our number one concern is we want everything possible hidden. We dont have an endless budget, but I can afford a NICE setup. I would rather go a different way cause I dont care for the black cabinet that comes with the Red Sea.

I spent yesterday trying to start learning the terminololgy and to be completely honest, I am overwhelmed! I was at first with the freshwater too, but I am finally getting comfortable with it.

We also checked out Craigslist and found some nice complete systems, coral, live rock, livestock, and the water! But, the problem is that with where we live, we are 1.5 hrs to 2 hrs away from any of the ads. So I dont know if it would be safe to attempt to move everything over that distance and set it back up in my house. What do you experts think?

If not, can you point me to a site that would have everything I need and a 99% hidden system?

Thanks and I hope to be on this section of the forum a lot in the VERY near future!
 

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Hey there and welcome to FL!!!!! I am very new at SW.....I did look up this red sea....WOW!!!!!!!!! I personally dont know of too many others with everything completely hidden like that. They are stunning tanks.......my first concern (and I have not researched it) is how flow is controlled(like with old fashioned power heads)....wondering if there is a way to move them and direct them should the need arise. One bit of advice...should u go another way (Iam only saying this from experiance) try to get a reef ready tank(meaning that it is drilled) I have a 72 gal BF reef...this tank is my pride and joy(I have 13 total tanks)...however it is not drilled and it wasnt impossible but a little more involved to get everything compatable( I use a hang on overflow,refugium etc)
It also is not impossible to completely move an existing tank....again ...more involved. If u go that way let us know...we can advise u on some traveling tips.....good luck!!!!!
 

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We have a 75gl freshwater that we have been running for about 2 years now. We love it and has been a learning process the whole time. We have always thought about switching it to a saltwater at some point and yesterday she blew me away. We were talking about them the last couple of days and she hit me with a "How about we just buy a new tank for the saltwater and put the fresh in our bedroom?" I was literally floored!

So we started looking around and kept coming back to the Red Sea MAX 250. The reason being is that it includes almost everything. We know we would still need more equipment, but this comes with a lot of it.

Is that they way to go? Our number one concern is we want everything possible hidden. We dont have an endless budget, but I can afford a NICE setup. I would rather go a different way cause I dont care for the black cabinet that comes with the Red Sea.

I spent yesterday trying to start learning the terminololgy and to be completely honest, I am overwhelmed! I was at first with the freshwater too, but I am finally getting comfortable with it.

We also checked out Craigslist and found some nice complete systems, coral, live rock, livestock, and the water! But, the problem is that with where we live, we are 1.5 hrs to 2 hrs away from any of the ads. So I dont know if it would be safe to attempt to move everything over that distance and set it back up in my house. What do you experts think?

If not, can you point me to a site that would have everything I need and a 99% hidden system?

Thanks and I hope to be on this section of the forum a lot in the VERY near future!
Hi there,
I believe it comes in white aswell, but not 100% sure. Also, if hidding the equipment is your only concern, you could run sumps to hide the equipment. If you are handy with powertools, then you could do just about anything you can think of. With that said, if you are going to reef and you with regular rectangular tanks, you might look for the ones that are predrilled.

Also, about the moving thing. I have never had corals thus not sure how they would fair out for that period of time, but the fish would be fine for that long period of time then you can reset it when you get back home. One thing to mention when moving established tanks, they can be a nightmare when not properly transfered. You could unbalanced the water chemistry and that could be very bad. I usually try to stay away from transfering setups as they could be problems with moving them, unless the are small enough, like a 30 or smaller.
 
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UPDATE... We ordered a 70 gal bow front yesterday! We are both so excited, but I know we are also nervous... As I said earlier, this saltwater stuff is so overwhelming to us right now. I am slowly but surely figuring things out I think. I would like to ask you all for a list of equipment I need, but I am not going to do that. What I am going to do is figure out everything I need and then post it here to see if you all agree and let me know if I am missing anything. I am going FOWLR by the way.
 

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Congrats!!!!! Did u order it drilled?????? I guess they would call it reef ready
Did u also order lights yet????? Umay want to upgrade at this early point....just in case u decide on corals later...now is the time to do it....
 
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Yes, the tank is drilled, it is reef ready. It does not come with lighting, I am actually glad for that. We should get the setup next week (it comes with the stand and canopy as well). We dont plan to really hit it hard until after Christmas. That gives us time to plan our pruchases and allows me to measure everything out for the lighting and the sump / wet dry filter.
 

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Excellent choice! Red Sea Max is a nice setup, but piecing things together for a custom setup can be more beneficial in the end (altho more challenging!!) Everyone will have their own opinion on the best lights, skimmers etc. Some choose to DIY and some choose to purchase everything. You'll be hard pressed to find two people with the exact same setup, but each setup works for them. So choose what works for you and run with it. There are plenty of knowledgable people out here to point you in the right direction!!
Most of all....Have fun!!
 
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Oh, we are going to have fun with it, thats for sure! I am just getting more excited everyday! I know that peoples opinions will differ, whats important to me is that I am not forgetting anything or thinking one thing does this when it really dont! LOL!!

One question I have right now. With a FOWLR, do I use a wet / dry filter or a sump? These two are kicking my behind trying to figure out the difference between them.
 

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Depending on how much live rock you're adding, you shouldn't need a wet/dry and should be able to get by with a sump/refugium. Your live rock will add as the biological filter in your system.
 

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Oh, we are going to have fun with it, thats for sure! I am just getting more excited everyday! I know that peoples opinions will differ, whats important to me is that I am not forgetting anything or thinking one thing does this when it really dont! LOL!!

One question I have right now. With a FOWLR, do I use a wet / dry filter or a sump? These two are kicking my behind trying to figure out the difference between them.
With that size tank I would go with refugeum. That way you have room to put your equipment down there and you get the filtration, mehcanichal and nutrient export. You could also go with a sump, and add a turf filter for you nutrient export.
 
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Ugh... So confusing. Is a sump and refugium the same thing? I know no matter what i need a protein skimmer. Do I need the bio balls with a sump? Could you give me a link to a sump / refugium?
 

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Let's try to clarify.

Both of them are an additional tank kept off the main tank, usually in the bottom of the stand. Both increase water volume.

Sump: a place to store equipment without it being in the main tank such as heater, protein skimmer etc

Refugium: gives you a place to store equipment, but also a place to grow macro algae (to aid in nutrient export) and a place to grow pods which adds to the food source for your fish.

You can run modifications of each of these...but if you put it down to the basics...this is it.
 
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So the refugium is better because you can grow the micro algae and the pods. Ok, that makes more sense to me. If you have time, could you post a link to each so I cant see the difference? When I go out to search, they look the same to me and most of the time I can differenetiate between the names. Sorry if I am being a pain, I just want to see the difference and have it come from an experinced user.
 

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Ugh... So confusing. Is a sump and refugium the same thing? I know no matter what i need a protein skimmer. Do I need the bio balls with a sump? Could you give me a link to a sump / refugium?
Well the sump is more like a big power filter. It has the water filtration media, such as fiber pads and so forth. It also serves as a place to store the skimmer. Personally, in your case, I do not see the need for a skimmer. It will be your chooice as most will recomend using one. I do not use them at all, but all my tanks are FOWLR tanks. The refugeum is more like a refuge for critters. They sort of act as a secondary tank where you can house cleanup crue aswell as macro algea. The macro algea is what absorbs your nitrates and phosphates, this is what it's refered to as nutrient export. However they both act as a form of filtration. You can actually have both if you decide and the space and tank (for the sump/ref) allows it.

My opinions is is you are having sufficient rock, then no, bio-balls are not really needed.

Here is a link to a site that actually sells them. If it's too technical let me know I can give you another link;

http://www.melevsreef.com/allmysumps.html.
 

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So the refugium is better because you can grow the micro algae and the pods. Ok, that makes more sense to me. If you have time, could you post a link to each so I cant see the difference? When I go out to search, they look the same to me and most of the time I can differenetiate between the names. Sorry if I am being a pain, I just want to see the difference and have it come from an experinced user.
In basic form they are the same thing, but can act slightly different. The sump most of the time is not inclusive of macro algea. The refuge most of the times is not inclusive of the skimmer. Little things generally makes them different. However, there is no SET way of doing it. You could basically come up with your own filtration based on the needs of your tank.

You could actually just type the words sump, refugeum, to get a general understanding of the difference between them. However, they are basically a seperate tank that hooks up to the main tank. You could have what ever you want in that tank aslong as you have space for it.
 

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We use the sump which has the refugium in it.

First section has down flow through a sock and also in this section are smaller pieces of live rock. We keep bags of Phosguard, denitrate and active carbon in this part. In the mid section is the refugium which has a deep sand bed, a nasty crab and some ketamorpha. The last section houses the protein skimmer and return pump.

Basically you can have the combination and adapt the sump to your own personal preferences. e.g. Some use miracle mud and caulerpa instead of sand and ketamorpha.
Also the size of the sump may determine how you decide to set it out and what equipment you choose to add.

I will see if I can find some pics or diagrams that will be of more help.
 
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Thanks for the wealth of information everyone! We have a tracking number for our new tank and looks to show up next week sometime! As I said earlier though, we arent going to do much until after Christmas, plus, I have to sell my current freshwater 75 gallon and stand.

One problem I think i am going to run into in this journey is the closest LFS is an hour away. She has one reef tank and she does sell marine livestock. Just wish it wasnt so far away. I am hoping next time we go up there, she can show me how everything works. I need some hands on right now to get a better understanding of how everything works. You all have been amazing, but I need to see it all in action. I am thinking that maybe there is a saltwater aquarium instructional dvd out there, maybe that would help. Anyone know of such a thing?
 

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Hey there!!!! I just snapped just a few quick pics...this is my set up...72 gal BF.....maybe u can get a little bit of an idea. My tank is not drilled, I have and use an overflow(which u will not need...thankfully), @korallia power heads(sizes 2 and 3), I have about 80 lbs of LR, T5 lighting, a boatload of corals, fish,shrimps,crabs,snails etc....
Under my tank is my refugium.(the size of a 20 gallon tall tank)..it is divided into compartmenst, my setup is a little differant than most because I ran into flow issues.In the first area is where my water comes into the tank from the overflow(this is where ALL of my issues were because of my tank NOT being drilled. I also have extra rock in this area(most people have it in the middle area) my skimmer is in the middle (this too is not really where it should be...again because of flow) and is also filthy....I have not cleaned in yet today..so please excuse that...then I have a compartment where I keep filter floss(not necessary)..in the last are is my mag9 pump...this brings the water back into my tank.My heater is in there also....This is all under the tank...excuse the poor pics...but I just hoped maybe it would help

A good LFS is wayyyyyyyyyy worth the drive!!!!! I go to one that is over 2 hours away.....I keep a cooler in my car.Whether its summer or winter all of my live purchasses go into the cooler.Everything transports just fine.Thankfully I have never ever lost a fish, coral,or even a sea horse because of having to travel a distance......good luck to ya!!!!!
 

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