My Loach has died! Any help please? My tank is complicated.

Howdy,
I have a 40 litre tank with 6 tetras, a crab, a snail, a black moor named Daniel, a betta, a gourami, a red tail black shark, and until today a loach. I was out of the house but I came back and to my horror the loach named papy was dead. Is there any reason as to why papy loach has died? I removed papy with a spoon and held a short memorial for him. Is it the eco system figuring it’s self out in there? The other fish look more lively as if they’re celebrating his death. Will they now all be okay or do I need to sacrifice Daniel the black moor for the health of the tank.
thanks for any responses

 

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Howdy,
I have a 40 litre tank with 6 tetras, a crab, a snail, a black moor named Daniel, a betta, a gourami, a red tail black shark, and until today a loach. I was out of the house but I came back and to my horror the loach named papy was dead. Is there any reason as to why papy loach has died? I removed papy with a spoon and held a short memorial for him. Is it the eco system figuring it’s self out in there? The other fish look more lively as if they’re celebrating his death. Will they now all be okay or do I need to sacrifice Daniel the black moor for the health of the tank.
thanks for any responses

Hi welcome to Fishlore
Like the above comment more info is really needed to deduce a potential cause however the stocking and tank size might have something to do with it.

As mentioned in another tread these fish aren't very suitable to be kept together in such a small tank, some are renowned to be very aggressive(Red tailed Sharks, Betta, Gourami depending on species). Clown Loaches need warmer temperatures than most and really need more of there own species to feel comfortable. These also need very large tanks as they grow.

I would suggest rehoming the Black moor(tank too small), Red Tailed Shark(tank too small and they get very territorial) and one of either the Gourami or Betta as they are somewhat related and there is a good reason Betta are know as "Siamese Fighting fish". Likely one of or both will end up dead eventually.

Do you know what species of Gourami and Tetra you have? There is a large variety and depending on the species they may or may not be suitable for a 40 litre.

 

What kind of crab? most need easy access to the water surface and a dry land area were they can crawl around and bask. They are also social and there should be more then one.

 

Your tank is extremely overstocked and I recommend getting a larger tank or rehoming some of the fish.

 

I’ve uploaded pictures of my tank/ dead loach. I want a happy thriving jungle tank.

 

Why ask questions, yall seem set on letting the "ecosystem" sort itself out. Just do that.
All three of yall are blocked. I ain't got no time for this nonsense. I'll be blocking other accounts you create also. derp....

 

As you say you’re an experienced fishkeeper then I’m sure you’re able to advise your friend, good luck with your tank.
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Hi guys,
So upon your recent recommendation after my loach died. You said my tank was over crowded, you recommended I get rid of my black moor named Daniel. Now he is gone, we feel regret. But hopefully our tank will flourish now. For those who need reminding we now have 5 neon tetras, a crab, a blue gourami, a betta, and a red tail black shark in a 40 litre tank. Hoping to add 5 more tetras to liven things up a bit and help the fish forget about the tragic death of the loach (and the first tetra and shrimp). Any tips appreciated thanks

 

help the fish forget about the tragic death the loach

Fish don't get traumatized. People do.

Any tips appreciated thanks

It may sound harsh, but given what I know about your foray into fishkeeping...
Look for another hobby that can't end in unnecessary deaths.

Good luck.

 

A red tail shark is a member of the Cyprinidae family and can reach an adult size of 6". There is no way it can be kept in a 40 liter tank any more than a Black Moor can. The "shark" needs a minimum tank size of about 55 gallons (200 liters), five times larger than your current tank.

At least you asked the question about aquarium stocking before going out and purchasing fish this time. Unless you have have plans to upgrade the size of your tank in the near future, please do not purchase any more fish. You really should try to find a new home for the red tail shark; as he gets older, he will suffer in a tank of the current size and you might well have another fish death.

If you rehome the "shark" you might have room for a few small tetras like more neons or ember tetras, but larger tetras are a no go.

Since gourami and bettas are territorial, I am surprised they are getting along in your tank. One of these days, one of them might kill the other.

Please do your research before making purchasing decisions. Either you got some very bad advice or you purchased your fish without doing your research ahead of time. Unfortunately, many pet stores will sell you fish without asking appropriate questions about your tank size, filtration capability, and what other fish are already in the tank. Such poorly trained employees are responsible for the deaths of many fish. Fortunately, there are pet shops with well trained employees, but sometimes you have to search to find them.

 

Hi
Recommendations were given in this thread:
Are all my fish together suitable? | Freshwater Aquarium Discussion Forum | 525479

Absolutely no one advised putting any fish down because of a poorly stocked tank poor decision on your part.

Please re-read the recommendations given in the link linked above and stop cresting multiple threads about issues that can be avoided by correcting the stock as previously advised.

This whole situation reeks of trolling. to be honest.

 

How am I a troll by asking questions about my fish on a fish keeping forum when I’m literally posting photos of my fish and tank? Is this how you treat all new members?

 

In your first thread members gave good advice. This advice was attacked and ignored.

Now multiple threads have been started with continuing issues that can start to be resolved by correcting the stocking issue.

I'm not sure what else you want the members to tell you other than your stocking is a huge issue.
You will continue to have illness and fatalities if it continues.
And seriously, Poor Daniel did nothing to deserve what he got. He could have been returned, rehomed, something other than that.

 

Havnt read the other thread. Welcome to fishlore! People hear will tell you the facts in hope that you’ll understand. Many have done what you’ve done. Pet stores will sell you anything to make a sale. Yes the red tail shark needs a bigger tank. To me so does the gourami. A 40l/10g is really just a guppy or shrimp tank. The 5 neons and betta are enough.