65 Gallon Tank My first aquarium (65Gal)

lockstock

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After reading lots of stuff online in the past in relation to aquarium keeping I thought I would start a journal for my new aquarium that I have been planning for several months.

I haven't kept an aquarium before but it's something that I'm really looking forward to getting into. My girlfriend is really getting into it also and is already planning what fish we're going to get.

After lots of planning and research I've recently purchased all the items needed to get started on a 65 gallon freshwater, planted, community aquarium.

So far I have the following:
-Aqua One 980T (245L/65Gal).
-EheI'm Jager 200W heater.
-50kg of 3mm black pebbles.
-Master test kit (ammonia, pH, high pH, nitrite, nitrate tests).
-Big bottle of Prime.
-XL piece of driftwood (going to be the centerpiece of the tank when completed).

At the moment we're in the process of cleaning the substrate. The shop we bought it from had it in very breathable bags in an outdoor warehouse area and are fairly dusty/dirty. We're using some pasta drainers and mixing bowls to clean all of it but 50kg of pebbles is taking us awhile to work though. When writing this we're about half way through, doing it on and off after work each night.

Once the substrate is cleaned we're going to put in the driftwood, fill the tank up with water and start cycling. Planning on getting some pure ammonia from the shops to do a fish-less cycle and found a fairly good guide at ().

Not sure at this point if we'll put in plants before or after the process. When reading information online people say that live plants help when using fish to cycle but nothing when doing a fish-less cycle. I'd be interested in hearing peoples opinions on this.

Once cycled we are considering the following list of fish:
2x Male Guppy (2 Inches each)
1x Bristlenose catfish (5 Inches each)
2x Angelfish (5 Inches each)
10x Cardinal Tetras (1 Inch each)
1x Siamese Flying Fox Shark (6 inches each) (Siamese Algae Eater)
1x Pearl GouramI (5 inches each)
3x Bandit Cory (2 inches each)

Possibly going to go without the Bandits and have an extra Bristlenose, maybe an albino Bristlenose for something different.

Now this gives us a total of 46" of fish for a 65 gallon tank. I'm curious to see whether the tank is going to be overcrowded with this much but going by other websites people seem to have success with 1" per 1Gal calculations for tank capacity.

Attached a couple before pictures. Sorry for the bad quality photos, they're just off my iPhone.
 

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Aquarist

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Hello LockStock and Welcome to Fish Lore!

The tank looks nice and I hope you have fun setting it all up.

Along with the 1" per gallon guide line, please take into consideration the amount of waste that some fish produce. Some produce more than others. the larger the fish the more waste they seem to produce (in most cases) Pleco's are huge waste producers, goldfish, just to name a couple.

Personally I like the 1" per gallon guide for small fish and small tanks. For my 265g tank with large fish and the type of fish that I have I use the guide of 1 fish per every 10 gallons of water. (this may vary too depending on the type of fish one may stock)

I guess what I'm saying is don't depend on the 1" guide for every situation. Remember that your fish need room to swim.

Please keep us posted. We love photos! hoto: I'm sure you'll get more responses on your stocking list.

I hope you enjoy the site.

Ken

One more thing,

If you would like to have your own Blog set up (if you haven't done this already) send an email to Mike
and he'll set one up for you. Give him a couple of days to respond.


For now I'm going to move this thread to the Welcome to Fish Lore section of the forum. Once your blog is set up, any of the moderators will be glad to move your thread/threads to your blog for you.

You can also send MIKE a Visitor Message by clicking here:


Thanks!
Ken
 

Tigerfishy

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Welcome lockstock, the tank looks great already! I got a blog from Mike, and it's great for documenting things that happen for future reference, good to keep track of what stock you had when... I find it quite handy!
 
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ryanr

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Looks great.

Try and introduce you stock from least aggressive/territorial to most. Territorial fish will get a long better with your community if they are the last to be introduced.

The longer they have to establish their territory, the more they will defend it, but if they are introduced last, other fish will have established their territory first, meaning the 'new kid' has to just get along.

So, if it were me, based on my experience, I would introduce the bristlenose, tetras, guppies initially. I would leave the angels and gouramis till last. Gouramis have been known to be somewhat aggressive, and Angels, being cichlids, can be quite territorial and will actively defend, especially when breeding.

You might want to double check the compatibilities on
aqadvisor is a great guide to help you stock your tank, it is not the gospel, but awesome in figuring out filtration and compatibility.
 

jab91864

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I'm just offering a welcome to the forum. I'm new so of no value to help you along the way. Like the tank plan and will be watching to see it all come together.

ryanr.... great website, wish I'd found it a bit sooner!!!
 

Jrobber

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Welcome aboard! Good to see you're well prepared going into this hobby. You'll find this forum very helpful, I'm sure.
 
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Lucy

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Welcome to FishLore!!
 

Shawnie

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welcome to fishlore
 

jeniferdwn

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great piece of driftwood! Welcome to FL!
 

bolivianbaby

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Welcome to Fishlore!
 

new_sw_gurl

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Looks like it's going to be beautiful! Can't wait to see pictures when it's set up!!
 

RuthieM

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Beautiful setup you hav.
I don't know if your filter is the hang on the back kind, but if it is, don't forget to leave room between the tank and the wall for the filter. I made the mistake of not doing so and had to empty my aquarium, move it out and start over. (not so fun).
 

nerite0479

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Welcome to Fish Lore!I hope you enjoy setting up your tank!
 

marina3

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Welcome to FL!!! Can't wait to see the end result!!!
 

GBR.Moorrreeee

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Hey, welcome to fishlore. Great setup, just wondering are you getting a Siamese algae Eater or a Flying Fox? They're 2 different fish and the flying fox won't eat that much algae. Also, if you are getting a SAE, make sure its a true SAE, and not a Flying Fox or Chinese Algae eater. And just my opinion, but I would leave out the pleco unless its just for viewing plesure. An SAE will eat any algae and keep your tank clean a 100% of the time. Just my opinion. Welcome to Fishlore.
 
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lockstock

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Thanks to everyone for all of the welcome messages. I was surprised to see so many in just 24 hours.

aquarist48 said:
Hello LockStock and Welcome to Fish Lore!

The tank looks nice and I hope you have fun setting it all up.

Along with the 1" per gallon guide line, please take into consideration the amount of waste that some fish produce. Some produce more than others. the larger the fish the more waste they seem to produce (in most cases) Pleco's are huge waste producers, goldfish, just to name a couple.

Personally I like the 1" per gallon guide for small fish and small tanks. For my 265g tank with large fish and the type of fish that I have I use the guide of 1 fish per every 10 gallons of water. (this may vary too depending on the type of fish one may stock)

I guess what I'm saying is don't depend on the 1" guide for every situation. Remember that your fish need room to swim.

Please keep us posted. We love photos! hoto: I'm sure you'll get more responses on your stocking list.

I hope you enjoy the site.

Ken

One more thing,

If you would like to have your own Blog set up (if you haven't done this already) send an email to Mike
and he'll set one up for you. Give him a couple of days to respond.


For now I'm going to move this thread to the Welcome to Fish Lore section of the forum. Once your blog is set up, any of the moderators will be glad to move your thread/threads to your blog for you.

You can also send MIKE a Visitor Message by clicking here:


Thanks!
Ken
Thanks for this, I've emailed Mike and I'm hoping to get a blog set up to update how the tanks going. Its fun to share the hobby with others and the information from subject matter experts online is amazing.


ryanr said:
Looks great.

Try and introduce you stock from least aggressive/territorial to most. Territorial fish will get a long better with your community if they are the last to be introduced.

The longer they have to establish their territory, the more they will defend it, but if they are introduced last, other fish will have established their territory first, meaning the 'new kid' has to just get along.

So, if it were me, based on my experience, I would introduce the bristlenose, tetras, guppies initially. I would leave the angels and gouramis till last. Gouramis have been known to be somewhat aggressive, and Angels, being cichlids, can be quite territorial and will actively defend, especially when breeding.

You might want to double check the compatibilities on
aqadvisor is a great guide to help you stock your tank, it is not the gospel, but awesome in figuring out filtration and compatibility.
Thanks for the website, I'm checking out the information now. Also, really helpful advise with how to generally add fish to the tank. I had similar thoughts on introducing fish to the tank and will definitely leave the angelfish and gouramI till last.

RuthieM said:
Beautiful setup you hav.
I don't know if your filter is the hang on the back kind, but if it is, don't forget to leave room between the tank and the wall for the filter. I made the mistake of not doing so and had to empty my aquarium, move it out and start over. (not so fun).
The 980T has a built in drip filter in the hood so it's all good. Depending on how this filter goes with the tank I may consider upgrading this to an external (canister?) filter but I think these can just sit on the ground or in the cabinet under the tank.


GBR.Moorrreeee said:
Hey, welcome to fishlore. Great setup, just wondering are you getting a Siamese algae Eater or a Flying Fox? They're 2 different fish and the flying fox won't eat that much algae. Also, if you are getting a SAE, make sure its a true SAE, and not a Flying Fox or Chinese Algae eater. And just my opinion, but I would leave out the pleco unless its just for viewing plesure. An SAE will eat any algae and keep your tank clean a 100% of the time. Just my opinion. Welcome to Fishlore.
I remember reading something about this back when we were looking at what fish to get. We were going to get one of the Siamese Algae Eaters. I'll make sure I read up on the differances before we purchase one to ensure we get the SAE and not the the Flying Fox or Chinese Algae Eater.

We were thinking about getting the bristlenose catfish/pleco for looks and for algae eating so we'll probably just limit that to one seeing as the SAE will keep the tank nice and clean. Thanks for the info.


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claudicles

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HI lock stock. Welcome from another Aussie. I have one of the 620T Aqua ones and I'd at least add a pump and air stone. The built in filter doesn't generate much water movement. I like your stocking plan.
 

moerlen

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hI lock stock, welcome to fish lore. I have a one of the 850 ar aqua ones it is great , I like your idea for stocking the tank, though I think the angels will end being the gang running the tank, and will possibly enjoy your cardenals when they grow up.I would only add one angel to give him less power.
This is my opinion, there's a lot of people here with a lot more experience and maybe they can give you a better advice.
 
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lockstock

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moerlen said:
hI lock stock, welcome to fish lore. I have a one of the 850 ar aqua ones it is great , I like your idea for stocking the tank, though I think the angels will end being the gang running the tank, and will possibly enjoy your cardenals when they grow up.I would only add one angel to give him less power.
This is my opinion, there's a lot of people here with a lot more experience and maybe they can give you a better advice.
I've been reading some stuff about the angelfish today because I'm a little concerned about their potential aggressive nature. Everyone says different things so I'm not really sure what to think and I guess it'll have to come down to luck.

I've read that they potentially will fin nip the guppies and eat the cardinals when they get bigger.

See how we go I guess. Anyway, update on the tank, finally finished cleaning all the substrate and we've started planting as well. All we have to do is cycle it and we're on our way.

(note: water was a little murky at the beginning, when I took the attached photo, due to the substrate not being very easy to clean but the filter seems to be clearing up the tank very nicely)
 

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lorabell

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Very very nice!!!!!! I love the DW...gonna be a pretty one!!!!!!
 

mizzoufan96

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welcome to fishlore
 

UNTAMEDlore

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GDAY MATE, Always happy to welcome aboard antha aussie. Very Nice tank mate I noticed that your tank is very tall but not so long, what are the dimenssion? The fish you have in mind are all very good choices for a beginner. I'm thinking you might have a few 2 many though your tank will most likely cope with the stocking you have in mind but u are very close to being over stocked. and depending on what you have in mind for decoration & filtration I fear you might run into trouble being a newbie and all... Just to explain what I mean about decoration...... For example a empty tank holds a lot more water than the same sized tank with a large amount of gravel and say a Big Rock as a center peice as this takes up space therefore lowering your aquaurium volume. I recommend you start off slow a good rule is one fish type at a time not all at once you will shock your tank even if it has been thourgh its cycle.... Also can I throw a suggestion your way, Ever thought about Cichlid tank? you have just the right tank for it. BEST OF LUCK REMEBER ANY PROBLEMS GET STRAIGHT ON HERE AND GET SOME ADVISE... THE ONLY DUMB QUESTION IS THE ONE YOU DONT ASK
 

lanlesnee

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Looks like your off to a great start! The tank looks great. Don't worry about it being cloudy, I have yet to see one that's not when first set up.

I understand the whole mix messages on the Angels. I have fish that I've read shouldn't be keep together but have not had one single problem in 2 years plus with them. I'd just be prepared with a back up plan.

IMO the higher stock the more maintaince you will have. In other words a 65 with a couple of angels is going to stay clean and have less maintaince (gravel vac, filter changes, water changes etc) than one with 5 or 6 angels. Just may want to keep this in mind with stocking.

Also if it was me I wouldn't fully stock right at the beginning. Your going to see different types of fish you didn't know were out there and want to get them. Which might be a problem is you already have a full tank. But than again that's a good excuse to buy another tank.
 

Shock

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Wow, where did you get that piece of DW? It's beautiful!

Welcome to FL by the way :waves:
 
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ryanr

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Looking good
 
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lockstock

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Shock said:
Wow, where did you get that piece of DW? It's beautiful!

Welcome to FL by the way :waves:
I have a really good LFS right around the corner from me. They stock some awesome pieces of DW as well as a vast selection of fish. Always good to have the best fish shop in the city right around the corner.
 

claudicles

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Hey lockstock, which city are you in?

And what is the fish shop? I have an ulterior motive. I always like to check out new fish shops so if it anywhere near Sydney, I am there. ;D
 

FriendsNotFood

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HI there!
Grats on the tank Looking good!

My advice is.... gravel vacs will be fun with that many cories and the bn. I have this theory that they don't eat anything, they just shred it so that it falls into the gravel and means you have to clean a lot. At least your gravel is finer than mine. My cories love to bury their food in my gravel and make me clean it out >:| They'll actually eat and send food flying, then shovel their heads in the gravel just to make sure the excess food sifts down further.

If you get neon tetras, yes the Angel's are likely to eat them if they get big enough. I've noticed Cardinal tetras grow larger than neons, and are even prettier. But we are talking about pretty big Angel's here. Bigger than the ones you can normally buy at a LFS so I wouldn't worry too much until they're bread plates. (though mine does have a couple ridiculously expesive Angel's the size of my hand...)

The Angel's may nip the guppies, really depends. I'd say get baby Angel's, and adult guppies and let the Angel's grow up used to them. Also helps if you're getting a male and female, they're more likely to pair off and get along if you start them out young

And yeah, Angel's and gourami's have been known to fight before. But it's another "depends". If you score a gouramI like mine? Would be fine. I think my gouramI is more closely related to a chicken or road runner than a fish. Swims ridiculously fast, stops, starts, stops, OMG DEER IN HEADLIGHT! then the crazy road runner dash to a cave. I don't think any fish would ever catch him to be able to start a fight.
 
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lockstock

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Thanks for the info Lilwystynyra, hopefully I'll pick up some pretty placid angels and gourami. While on the topic of Angels, I only just worked out the other day that there were veiltail angel fish. They look so awesome compared to the normal angels.

We've modified our fish list a little bit since posting. Going to take out the bandit corys and have one or two Corydoras SterbaI instead.

claudicles: Sorry mate, I'm from Adelaide. You'll probably find (from what I've been told by friends) that our "best fish shop" is like a mid range shop in Sydney/Melbourne. Either way, I'm still really happy to have a decent shop around the corner. Makes shopping for fish and fish related items all that easier.
 

tomcat

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Congrats. If you're going to have one, you're better off with a decent sized tank like you have rather than a small one. Hope you enjoy it, tanks are great and very relaxing. . Take good care of your fish. Do frequent partial water changes...
 

claudicles

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lockstock said:
claudicles: Sorry mate, I'm from Adelaide. You'll probably find (from what I've been told by friends) that our "best fish shop" is like a mid range shop in Sydney/Melbourne. Either way, I'm still really happy to have a decent shop around the corner. Makes shopping for fish and fish related items all that easier.
Ah well. It was worth a try. If it makes you feel any better, while I have good access to fish shops, I haven't found a single one that I would consider a one stop source for everything. The service is OK but n ot great too. there are disadvantages to the big smoke :-\
 

Rhan

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Welcome to Fishlore!

I LOVE your driftwood, it looks great. I wish I had come across a piece that nice when I was shopping for it a few months back.

I have an ar850, by the way. They're reeeeeally nice looking tanks
 

peacemaker92

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Welcome to Fishlore!
 

fishboy97

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welcome to fl
 

bubblynutter

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Welcome!
I have two AquaOne tanks, and they are great! Just make sure you keep the filter pads rinsed well, because as they get clogged up, they have a tendency to spit water back towards the power cables and the water drips down OUT OF YOUR TANK and onto your floor. I found that out the hard way - with both of the tanks...

Great looking set-up, and glad to see a newbie who researches before starting! Congrats.
 
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