Moving a 90g setup with fish, come watch!

BadisBadis

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So this thread is probably going to offer a lot of knowledge and just fun to tag along for the ride. I searched the forums threads for moving tanks and there is very little about moving big saltwater tanks.
So on Saturday, I'm getting a 90gallon FOWLR setup (yay! Have never owned anything over a 30g)and moving the entire tank and its contents 2.5 hrs. Time is of the essence, I plan to get those fish in the tank asap. The stock is a foxface, heniochus, 2 clowns, blue tang, and a hawkfish.
I have 3 5g buckets and 3 battery air pumps coming Tomorrow. I also bought a few totes for any misc tank equipment and a big rolling tote for the liverock which will be covered in wet newspaper to keep anything from drying out/dying off. Hopefully we'll be able to move the stand with the sump in it.
Now the big issue when moving a large tank is getting the water prepared after its set up. We don't have a faucet hookup so it's either a hose through the window or by hand (obviously not filling a 90g by hand) but the water that comes out of the hose is FREEZING. The fish absolutely cannot wait for a 90g to heat up without immense stress.
I have 2 45g bins that in advance I'm going to fill with saltwater and a heater that way when we set the tank up I can use a pump and pump the prepped water right into the tank ready to go! This will save a TON of work and unnecessary stress to fish.
Going to dose with beneficial bacteria and hope that what ever bacteria is saved in the sand bed and sump helps the transition.
I'll be posting pictures here throughout the week as I prep and dig my saltwater stuff out of the basement. (I know not exciting) but once the fish get here ill be posting a ton! I am also going to be redoing the rockwork. Overall getting the tank is going to be a 6hr process.
Its been 7 years since I've been able to keep a sw tank due to moving twice. Now in our final house with a generator and financially stable. this is almost my dream tank. I could cry!! LOL
 

carloz209

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Your gona use tap water for a SW tank? I strongly advice you not to use tap water for a SW.
 
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BadisBadis

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carloz209 said:
Your gona use tap water for a SW tank? I strongly advice you not to use tap water for a SW.
We don't have tap, we have well water. It's been recently tested so I know all parameters
 

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BadisBadis said:
We don't have tap, we have well water. It's been recently tested so I know all parameters
I also have well water but unfortunately mine is ridiculous high in Nitrates and has something else that would kill my FW fish thats why my concern. But hey if your well water is perfect than awesome good luck on the new tank.
 

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carloz209 said:
Your gona use tap water for a SW tank? I strongly advice you not to use tap water for a SW.
Why not use tap water? All depends on it's parameters
 

Rcslade124

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Excited to see the move. I also agree it's a risk using well water. That being said if you know what's in the water it will help. Hopefully no nitrates and phosphate. As they will fuel algea. Regardless I'm excited to see the move and setup. You have a good plan. I would plan to have extra water ready. You have a 90g and add in sump. Is the tank coming with return pump and everything? Excited for the new tank!
 
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carloz209 said:
I also have well water but unfortunately mine is ridiculous high in Nitrates and has something else that would kill my FW fish thats why my concern. But hey if your well water is perfect than awesome good luck on the new tank.
Thanks! And ugg that sucks you've got nitrates in the water. Time for a RO system!
Yeah we have pretty good water here, I've attached a picture of the results, we have extremely little nitrates. have FW tanks here too and they are doing well. Very fortunate

Rcslade124 said:
Excited to see the move. I also agree it's a risk using well water. That being said if you know what's in the water it will help. Hopefully no nitrates and phosphate. As they will fuel algea. Regardless I'm excited to see the move and setup. You have a good plan. I would plan to have extra water ready. You have a 90g and add in sump. Is the tank coming with return pump and everything? Excited for the new tank!
I've attached a picture of our water results, just for curiosity! Our water is very good. The tank is coming with everything. When I get there it will still be fully operational with the fish, so I have to break down everything when I get to their house. I'm thinking of buying 2 200g boxes of salt, because I'm pretty much going to use up 1/2 of one right away and then will just more on hand for wc's.
My husband is saying dont count my chickens before they hatch, he thinks the lady will sell the tank to someone else. Since we cant get it till sat. But the seller and I had a good conversation and I dont think that'll happen. If it does I will CRY. Fingers crossed.
 
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Dug out some of my sw stuff thats been hoarded in my basement for 7 years. Not too many good finds, a 9w green machine uv sterilizer, good for something under 50g. Back in box. I found my koralia 2! Will be keeping that out. Found my refractometer which I'm going to get a new one. This is the cheap $20 one and I went to change the screws/plate out and it broke lol so I'm going to get a better quality one. The big sw store is an hour from me so I'm heading there tomorrow to get all my supplies.
 

Queasy

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Good luck with the move. Hopefully, everything goes smoothly. Keep us updated!
 
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BadisBadis said:
I have 2 45g bins that in advance I'm going to fill with saltwater and a heater that way when we set the tank up I can use a pump and pump the prepped water right into the tank ready to go! This will save a TON of work and unnecessary stress to fish.
Going to dose with beneficial bacteria and hope that what ever bacteria is saved in the sand bed and sump helps the transition.
Can I suggest rather than make new SW, just dump the existing water in the setup into your 45g bins. That way you've got exactly the same parameters.
And with BB, it shouldn't be necessary, just keep the live rock wet, and you'll be right. If you're intent on a BB boost, make sure you use something reputable like Dr Tim's.

Oh, and if you're after ideas, I have written an article on moving a SW tank.
Guide to Moving a Saltwater Aquarium

Looking forward to following the journey
 
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BadisBadis

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ryanr said:
Can I suggest rather than make new SW, just dump the existing water in the setup into your 45g bins. That way you've got exactly the same parameters.
And with BB, it shouldn't be necessary, just keep the live rock wet, and you'll be right. If you're intent on a BB boost, make sure you use something reputable like Dr Tim's.

Oh, and if you're after ideas, I have written an article on moving a SW tank.
Guide to Moving a Saltwater Aquarium

Looking forward to following the journey
Thanks for the tips! I'll be sure to take a look at your article. Would love to keep the original water but unfortunately it would be almost impossible to empty 90g into bins in the truck from their house and be able to make it back to my state without major spillage. We'd have to pull the truck right up to the window which isn't feasible either.
I'll make sure to have to bacteria just in case, love dr tims. Its a long way to the aquarium store so id rather have it and not need it then the other way around.
Here's hoping it goes well!
 
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Cool cool, makes sense.
See if you can get their parameters first (what salt mix they're using etc), and try and match as best as you can.
If they're using RODI, please try do the same. Being a FOWLR, you might get away with it, but just make sure you're mixing the same water. Use your own refractometer/hydrometer to compare theirs vs yours)
After the first fill, you might be able to slowly introduce well water etc (I strongly recommend RODI for the record), but try replicate what the fish already have, it's gonna be stressful enough, and most SW fish don't handle it well, unlike FW fish.
 
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So we called to confirm pickup for the tank tomorrow! Its a go! I also got some more info on the fish and tank. The women who maintains it is going to call or text me so we can discuss parameters of the water as we will try to transport as much water as possible but won't be able to transport it all. The tank and fish are about 7 years old, so it's a well established tank. Which is incredible for the fish. Hes also letting me have the bird wrasse too. This tank is maxed out.
I'll be sure to take lots of pictures and update as we go.
 
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Sooo cool, aside from salinity, check the other majors, pH, Ca, Alk and Mg... If they're the same/similar you shouldn't need to acclimate.
 
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BadisBadis

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Got some Styrofoam boxes and bags from my LFS. The tang, bird wrasse, and foxface will go into these and the heni, clowns & hawkfish will go into 5g buckets. Also I darn near shat myself just now.... my 45g tote full of saltwater started LEAKING(black tote)!!!!!!! thank god I caught it in time!!!! and before my husband noticed.... I quickly filled another tote I have (gray ones). Have heaters in both and powerheads. I lost probably a gallon of water. We are going to try to move about 40g tomorrow between all the buckets and boxes.
Its go time!
 
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Picture drop, tank is home! I never want to transport a huge sw tank ever again LOL. We left at 10:30am and didn't get back till 7pm. (2.5hr drive) and then I didn't get the tank fully finished until 12:30am.
The breakdown went surprisingly well. We got all the buckets filled for the fish, I drained the water enough to take out the rock (which isn't really live rock) then caught the fish with little effort. Emptied out almost all of the water. Disconnected the plumbing, left some water in the sump. The men moved the tank onto 2x4s on our truck and then we put the cherrywood stand &canopy in. It was heavy but not as bad as we thought.
However getting the tank into our house was really hard, one of the bulkheads snapped at the seam so the fish had to wait extra time to get in the tank while we fixed it with super glue and clamped it. My husband used silicone plumbers tape from his work and put the bulkhead back on with no leaking!! We probably were able to get about 25g of the old water into the tank. It was REALLY handy to have that premixed heated water in the totes. The tang was super stressed, but I know they are dramatic and act like they are dying. Left the lights off and hoped nothing would leak or die by morning.
Morning comes around.... and everyone is happy and swimming! Everyone ate too. Tank is clear. Woooo!!! No leaks. Its a beautiful tank and I feel so lucky. It was setup as little maintenance as possible, freshwater Current satellite LED plus light, they would take the rocks out and sun bleach them as needed. Tank stock is: Male bird wrasse, heniochus, hippo tang, foxface, hawkfish, and a maroon clown which has to go cause he needs an anemone and he's picking on the bird wrasse. These fish are 7years old and honestly a bit big for the tank size. I want to add some better filtration stuff to help with the bioload of these fish
 
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Tank this morning
My daughter was sleeping last night while we set it up so she was surprised this morning
I also got a bad migraine last night from 14hrs of this ordeal. Feeling run down and blah so just sitting in front of the tank enjoying it
 

Rcslade124

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Congratulations. Tank looks good. I agree with moving a tank it's alot of work. I moved my 120g took me a good 12 hrs and I only moved it 10 miles. Took me two days to get the water back up. I had to put the heaters in the tank while I made water. It was alot of work lol.
 
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I tested the water just now, everything looks good except ammonia, which is .5ppm. Ph 8.3, nitrite 0 nitrate 0 Still in the safe range but will keep an eye on it. I have an ammonia pad in the sump right now. Dosed with prime. I expect it'll take a few days to figure itself out
 
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So I'm generally starting to worry a bit now. I did a 25g wc as I am concerned about the ammonia level. My bird wrasse didn't eat tonight and the foxface is loosing his slime coat. Which is concerning. All parameters are the same and the water that I changed was the same salinity, ph and temp. I've been adding prime to the water every 48hrs and testing ammonia daily which is .5ppm still. I was advised to to a 25g water change every 3 or 4 days until the ammonia is under control. The water is also very yellow and smelly. Just dirty. The water was like this when I went to pick up the tank too. But I just hope the fish make it through this stressful time.
 

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Could also add some dr time bacteria or even petcos bacteria biospara.
 
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Rcslade124 said:
Could also add some dr time bacteria or even petcos bacteria biospara.
I added a whole bottle of Fritz Zyme when I first set up the tank (store didn't have dr Tim's) I have heard adding different bacteria's can be bad and they can attack eachother and that in itself will cause a spike. Not sure how accurate this is
 

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BadisBadis said:
I added a whole bottle of Fritz Zyme when I first set up the tank (store didn't have dr Tim's) I have heard adding different bacteria's can be bad and they can attack eachother and that in itself will cause a spike. Not sure how accurate this is
Nah, there isn't much science behind that claim. a lot of people start their tank with nitrifying bacteria and then dose Stability afterwards which contains other strains of bacteria including some heterotrophic varieties
 
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Pfrozen said:
Nah, there isn't much science behind that claim. a lot of people start their tank with nitrifying bacteria and then dose Stability afterwards which contains other strains of bacteria including some heterotrophic varieties
Thanks for the clarification!
 

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Was the fritz zyme for saltwater? If not then that bacteria didn't make it. I figure it was saltwater just checking. And yes you can add many different bacteria in the tank.
 
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Rcslade124 said:
Was the fritz zyme for saltwater? If not then that bacteria didn't make it. I figure it was saltwater just checking. And yes you can add many different bacteria in the tank.
Yes, for saltwater, it was a saltwater specialty store and they recommended it.
 
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Pfrozen said:
Nah, there isn't much science behind that claim. a lot of people start their tank with nitrifying bacteria and then dose Stability afterwards which contains other strains of bacteria including some heterotrophic varieties
So I'm guessing I should run out to the store tomorrow to get more bacteria.....
 

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BadisBadis said:
So I'm guessing I should run out to the store tomorrow to get more bacteria.....
I'm really not familiar with saltwater bacteria.. I wasn't aware that they sold it in bottles
 
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Pfrozen said:
I'm really not familiar with saltwater bacteria.. I wasn't aware that they sold it in bottles
They sell lots of it. Dr tims is supposed to be the best
 

Rcslade124

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Fritz is supposed to be good also. I would just want to get the ammonia under control. You have a large bioload for a 90g. Can sky rocket quickly. You have the right ideas though. Water changes and just keeping an eye on the tank.
 

carloz209

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**** man wishing the best cause all those fish are amazing!!
 

Fishproblem

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Good luck! I hope it works out and you get the ammonia in check soon!
 
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carloz209 said:
**** man wishing the best cause all those fish are amazing!!
Aren't they? They are so huge and healthy.
 
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Just an update! So I talked with the marine biologist who professionally took care of this tank for many many years. Shes cares for littlerly hundreds of tanks. So I thought I'd give her a shout... because for a second I was doubting myself and my knowledge. I asked if there is anything more I can do for this tank than what im already doing and there's pretty much not. Lol
Everything I'm doing is on point. Water change water change water change. That's how it's going to get under control. She said dont add anymore bacteria. The fish are hardy and to drop the salinity to .019 to prevent ice and velvet. I can do 10% daily if thats what it takes. So guess what I'll be doing tomorrow. And the next day. You get it. She personally said she doesnt use.anything but salt and buffer and doest like the prime. But w/e I love prime in this case. Prime is a savior
She also said they would go 3 months without changing the water sometimes (personal YIKES) LOL no wonder why that water is yellow and smelly esp for that bioload. Like yeah the fish are fine but thats a stretch.
So I feel more confident in getting it under control now
 

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Also you can run carbon in the sump. I have a sock of carbon 24/7 in my sump. Helps remove the yellow tint of the water. Also yes you don't need bacteria. It just helps the ammonia.
 
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Rcslade124 said:
Also you can run carbon in the sump. I have a sock of carbon 24/7 in my sump. Helps remove the yellow tint of the water. Also yes you don't need bacteria. It just helps the ammonia.
I've got some chemi pure blue on order, that has carbon in it and some purigen. I'm sure that will help!
 
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Update! So I got my red sea test in early yay!
I've been using api and ugg so happy I got the red sea. My readings are much more accurate. So... heres the new reading for the tank. (Vs api)
Nitrate: 50+ppm. (Api 20ppm)
Nitrite: .05ppm (Api 0)
Ammonia: .2ppm (api looked 0 today, it has always been difficult to tell with that test)
Ph is 8.3 between both brands.
I also got a hanna salinity kit and will eventually get a hanna ph as well. Got some other goodies too, got them some seaweed, which they are terrified of but once they loose fear it'll be great for them. Chemi pure blue and purigen to help with the bioload and dirtiness of the tank.
Will continue to do water changes and keep checking parameters.
 

Rcslade124

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Great news. Soon it will all fall into place and you can relax and enjoy the fish!
 
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Happy holidays!
Just a small update. Tank is doing great! Ammonia is 0 and everything else is within normal range. I have purigen and chemi pure blue, they are removing a lot of impurities. Still doing water changes once a week. My wrasse and tang have been fighting over this sleeping cave I made... the wrasse dug a big hole under the rock so he could sleep there. I kinda feel special that their fighting over a cave I made? Like I guess I made a good one Hahaha also I noticed a TON of copepods on the tank glass! They are everywhere!
 

Fishproblem

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BadisBadis said:
Happy holidays!
Just a small update. Tank is doing great! Ammonia is 0 and everything else is within normal range. I have purigen and chemi pure blue, they are removing a lot of impurities. Still doing water changes once a week. My wrasse and tang have been fighting over this sleeping cave I made... the wrasse dug a big hole under the rock so he could sleep there. I kinda feel special that their fighting over a cave I made? Like I guess I made a good one Hahaha also I noticed a TON of copepods on the tank glass! They are everywhere!
Cute tinsel! The fish look very festive.

Way to create a primo cave, also. It's cool that the fish are enjoying your hardscape. Have you got future plans for the tank, or will you be settling in and (deservedly) enjoying it now that you're getting the initial upset in check?
 

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BadisBadis said:
We don't have tap, we have well water. It's been recently tested so I know all parameters
You know ALL the parameters? Have you tested for calcium, magnesium, nitrates, phosphates, copper, heavy metals, etc. The reason RO water is advised for saltwater tanks is that reef systems are highly sensitive to contaminants. Well water is typically hard and has traces of contaiminant from runoff. Although the water may be safe for drinking, it may not be safe for saltwater fish and especially invertebrates. Even though you may not be planning on keeping a reef system, there are still invertebrates in the tank.

If you try to put the fish in a tank that is not fully cycled, do not be surprised if several fish die during the move.
 
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RayClem said:
You know ALL the parameters? Have you tested for calcium, magnesium, nitrates, phosphates, copper, heavy metals, etc. The reason RO water is advised for saltwater tanks is that reef systems are highly sensitive to contaminants. Well water is typically hard and has traces of contaiminant from runoff. Although the water may be safe for drinking, it may not be safe for saltwater fish and especially invertebrates. Even though you may not be planning on keeping a reef system, there are still invertebrates in the tank.

If you try to put the fish in a tank that is not fully cycled, do not be surprised if several fish die during the move.
Did you read any of my thread at all? Lol
Yes all of those have been tested by a professional water company. Our water is very good and is plenty fine for any salt tank. We have a water softener and a seperate filter/treatment system. Our water is pretty much better than spring fed water. I have attached some of the basic tests that were performed so you can see for yourself.

I do not and cannot have inverts in my tank anyway, my bird wrasse will eat them, no snails, shrimp, hermits, nothing. The only crustaceans I technically have is a boat load of copepods. The rock that came with the tank is baserock that was regularly sun bleached for alage control.

The tank was 7yrs up and running and besides adding 60g of new water, the crushed coral bed was untouched and the sump. I went through a mini cycle but my fish were happy and healthy from the day we moved them. My tank is pretty much fully cycled now and I have had 0 fish loss which isn't a surprise. That was the whole point of the thread, how NOT to loose fish during a move of a cycled tank. I did doubt myself during the process when the ammonia was up, but I had the expertise of a marine biologist who maintained the tank previously for a long time. She pretty much confirmed my knowledge of handling such a move.
 
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Fishproblem said:
Cute tinsel! The fish look very festive.

Way to create a primo cave, also. It's cool that the fish are enjoying your hardscape. Have you got future plans for the tank, or will you be settling in and (deservedly) enjoying it now that you're getting the initial upset in check?
I'm honestly just enjoying the take as is right now... I am highly considering bringing the hippo and clown to the fish store though. The tang has certainly outgrown this tank and he is being an ass. He has been bullying all the other fish and the maroon clown is...well...a maroon clown. Hes nasty, he just hangs in the back making his little nest (I took it personal when he went after my bird wrasse) would like to add a more appropriate sized fish for this tank.
This tank move was so stressful I seriously doubted my knowledge and abilities. But seeing it come together makes me quite confident now. I always ask, did I do something wrong, what more could I be doing...when I was doing it fine the whole time anyway lol
 

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BadisBadis said:
I'm honestly just enjoying the take as is right now... I am highly considering bringing the hippo and clown to the fish store though. The tang has certainly outgrown this tank and he is being an ass. He has been bullying all the other fish and the maroon clown is...well...a maroon clown. Hes nasty, he just hangs in the back making his little nest (I took it personal when he went after my bird wrasse) would like to add a more appropriate sized fish for this tank.
This tank move was so stressful I seriously doubted my knowledge and abilities. But seeing it come together makes me quite confident now. I always ask, did I do something wrong, what more could I be doing...when I was doing it fine the whole time anyway lol
That's great! Congrats on having your dream tank! I'm sure you'll get the community in order, too - even if it means someone has to head off for greener pastures. It'll probably be great to see the other fish living their lives without being pushed around.

It certainly seemed stressful, but it always looked like you knew what you were doing! As someone who always looks at those unreasonably affordable setups with fish on CL, this has been a great thread to follow.
 

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NathJK said:
Why not use tap water? All depends on it's parameters
The problem is that there are so many variables with tapwater. Even low TDS tapwater can still have content that is harmful to marine life. So it generally takes a full and detailed analysis of your local tapwater to ensure that it doesn't contain stuff that is harmful. You can even have drastically different tapwater from one part of the same town to another. I get that different countries have different markets and costs but here in the US an RODI system can be had for as little as $60 (about the same cost as a decent HOB Filter). Given the Hundreds or Thousands of dollars invested in even a FOWLR tank that's a pretty small price to pay for piece of mind. I get that some folks truly do have near pristine tapwater, but most don't, hence I feel it's worth the investment. Either way it seems like the OP has really good well water so he should be good to go.
 
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Jesterrace said:
The problem is that there are so many variables with tapwater. Even low TDS tapwater can still have content that is harmful to marine life. So it generally takes a full and detailed analysis of your local tapwater to ensure that it doesn't contain stuff that is harmful. You can even have drastically different tapwater from one part of the same town to another. I get that different countries have different markets and costs but here in the US an RODI system can be had for as little as $60 (about the same cost as a decent HOB Filter). Given the Hundreds or Thousands of dollars invested in even a FOWLR tank that's a pretty small price to pay for piece of mind. I get that some folks truly do have near pristine tapwater, but most don't, hence I feel it's worth the investment. Either way it seems like the OP has really good well water so he should be good to go.
I totally know why a lot of people question well and tap water because a lot of people complain about their tanks having issues without knowing what is in their water and a lot of people don't have private wells and its all city/town water. Personally, I've never lived in a large town or city, we've had private well water at our past 4 houses and we've never had any issues with our water quality, maybe the water was a bit hard at our previous houses but that's why you have a water softener.
At our house now, we have extremely good water, its better than bottled. Thats why I choose to use it. I would not use my water if I knew it wasn't good, which I guess a lot of people do.
 

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BadisBadis said:
I totally know why a lot of people question well and tap water because a lot of people complain about their tanks having issues without knowing what is in their water and a lot of people don't have private wells and its all city/town water. Personally, I've never lived in a large town or city, we've had private well water at our past 4 houses and we've never had any issues with our water quality, maybe the water was a bit hard at our previous houses but that's why you have a water softener.
At our house now, we have extremely good water, its better than bottled. Thats why I choose to use it. I would not use my water if I knew it wasn't good, which I guess a lot of people do.

Agreed. If a person has done their research and it works for them then I see no issue. I just felt that the person I replied to was a little bit cavalier about tapwater as there is usually quite a bit you have to run through to verify it's safe to use without issue in a marine tank.
 
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Tank is doing great and fish are thriving. They absolutely love getting their seaweed. Since the previous owner wanted nothing to do with maintenance/feeding they never got frozen or seaweed. A sheet is gone in a blink of an eye lol
Also...its almost time to clean the glass... anyone else feel bad wiping away all the little copepods?:< no, just me? Haha
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BadisBadis said:
Tank is doing great and fish are thriving. They absolutely love getting their seaweed. Since the previous owner wanted nothing to do with maintenance/feeding they never got frozen or seaweed. A sheet is gone in a blink of an eye lol
Also...its almost time to clean the glass... anyone else feel bad wiping away all the little copepods?:< no, just me? Haha
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Frozen LRS Reef Frenzy and Nori/Seaweed is what I feed mine. Tried all sorts of different food sources and this is the best combo I have found. I agree I am not a fan of the dry stuff. Too much dirty gunk in it IMHO.
 

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Yes agree my fish love reef frenzy. Some reason my scopas tang won't touch seaweed. I got a bulk frozen food deal from brine shrimp direct. Got 7 blisters of copepods,mysis, and brine shrimp for 75. Fish love all 3.
 

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