Molly fry tank has ich! Help! - Page 2

Bijou88

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I'm sure they'd like the bloodworms too, I don't use them myself. Mine are all excited when they get shrimp pellets though.

 
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kidster9700

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Bijou88 said:
I'm sure they'd like the bloodworms too, I don't use them myself. Mine are all excited when they get shrimp pellets though.
idk if you read my edit. i'm pretty sure they aren't going to make it.
 

Bijou88

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kidster9700 said:
idk if you read my edit. i'm pretty sure they aren't going to make it.
No, I hadn't seen that. I don't know what could be causing the gasping unless they really did od on the salt, that's awful, I'm sorry. ..

 
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kidster9700

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Bijou88 said:
No, I hadn't seen that. I don't know what could be causing the gasping unless they really did od on the salt, that's awful, I'm sorry. ..
i'm going to try a 50% water change. if they're OD'ing on salt it might help, but will cause other problems (stress, probably a new tank cycle)
 
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kidster9700

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the first to go has gone. I turned off the filter to give the three on the intake a chance to get off and one didn't move.
 

Dom90

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Sorry to hear about your loss
 
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kidster9700

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Dom90 said:
Sorry to hear about your loss
it seems there will many more to come. this is a sad day indeed.

EDIT: four minutes later and there's two more dead. one of the fry is now having little fits.
 

Dom90

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Save the poor fishies!
 

Bijou88

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I'm sorry you're losing some, hopefully they don't all go that way

 
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kidster9700

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Dom90 said:
Save the poor fishies!
trust me, i'm trying! if you have ANY ideas at this point I'm pretty sure I'll lose all of them.
 
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kidster9700

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oh man, they look so stressed.... I really don't know if I can help them :/ I think if any are alive and the ich clears up i'm moving them all to my main tank. I know some will get eaten (maybe, they're actually probably too big) but at least I don't have to keep up another tank that's so problematic. and LokI probably wants his home back.
 

Dom90

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Hmm I'm not being cruel but do you think euthanasia is an option at this point? :/


 
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kidster9700

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Dom90 said:
Hmm I'm not being cruel but do you think euthanasia is an option at this point? :/
I might have to.
theres only about three that are actually swimming, but they still have clamped fins and are gasping.
 

Dom90

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Yea it looks like they're suffering
 

Bijou88

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I would let it ride out naturally myself. You never know.

 
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kidster9700

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Bijou88 said:
I would let it ride out naturally myself. You never know.
that's true. there is one that looks completely fine. no signs of ich either. i'm tempted to move it into a breeder net in my main tank, but i'm worried about the ich spreading.
 

Bijou88

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I probably would leave it in the fry tank, just because he's not showing symptoms doesn't mean he doesn't have it, since he's been in with the others...

 
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kidster9700

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it appears that none died overnight. maybe one, because I only count 7 and there should be 8, but it might just be hiding.
 

Bijou88

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That's good at least, some of them might make it after all. Hopefully.

 
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kidster9700

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the ich has cleared, there's four left, they don't have clamped fins and are eating again! I would like to move them into a fry net in my 38, should I wait another day?

EDIT: my mystery snail laid eggs and I was thinking of putting them in the net so the babies don't get eaten. can the fry be with them? otherwise there's no rush on the eggs, I can probably leave them and some will live.
 

Dom90

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Sorry to hear about your losses


 
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kidster9700

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Dom90 said:
Sorry to hear about your losses
hey I thought I would lose them all so its all good. i'm actually amazed it was four and not three since one of them had been stuck on the filter sponge all day yesterday.
 

Bijou88

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Yay! Glad you've got some survivors! mystery snail babies (and adults) are fine with fry, the fry are actually more likely to pick on the snails than the other way around. If you're planning to hatch the eggs in the breeder, just make sure you float them on something and mist or lightly squirt them with tank water a few times a day, they usually take around 10 days to hatch.

 
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kidster9700

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Bijou88 said:
Yay! Glad you've got some survivors! mystery snail babies (and adults) are fine with fry, the fry are actually more likely to pick on the snails than the other way around. If you're planning to hatch the eggs in the breeder, just make sure you float them on something and mist or lightly squirt them with tank water a few times a day, they usually take around 10 days to hatch.
so they won't float in the water? I think I have a little floating plant they can sit on. part of the eggs are where the lid closes and its all goopy.... what should I do about that?
and do you think it is okay to move the fry into the breeder? I really want to get that 5.5 gal emptied and cleaned out, or at least let it sit fishes for a week before putting my betta in.
 

Bijou88

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The clutches don't float for long and the babies can't survive under water while still developing in the clutch. I've floated one on a piece of styrofoam in the breeder and it worked great. Just remember to dampen it. The goopy parts are what's inside the eggs before they're actually babies, if it's smushed that part won't turn into anything. I use a new razorblade to carefully slide under the clutch to remove it if it's being hatched elsewhere.

I have mixed feelings on the fry move, they'll be happier and do better in the 5 gallon but I know that you're betta needs it too...what size tank is he in right now again?

 
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kidster9700

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The betta is in a half gallon. He's still healthy, but really needs an upgrade..... I could wait until I know the fry are okay.

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kidster9700

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You know, I'm going to have platy fry pretty soon. I think I might just go grab a ten gallon and set it up somewhere. Barebottom with a heater is all it really needs to be, right? I don't really have to money to buy another filter and hood, so I would just use like a screen top.

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DioAquatics

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Sorry about the losses of your Molly fry. But congrats on the strong survivors you have now.

Also, for your fry tank (Molly and platy) if you're upgrading to a 10 gallon, a bare bottom is the best way to go so you can monitor them better. That's how I have my guppy fry set up, bare bottom 5 gallon. Now, this is just something that has worked for me but, I would suggest getting a sponge filter to put in the fry tank, one of those that connect to the air pumps. That will allow the water to not be stagnant but will not cause a waterfall like the regular HOB filters, that push the fry around vigorously. I use sponge filters in all my fry tanks and they are doing great. Just remember to keep up with water changes and you should be okay.
 

Bijou88

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I also go bare bottom in my 20 gallon fry tank. You will want a filter, even when they're young live bearer fry still produce a lot of waste, especially if you end up with 100 of them.

 
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kidster9700

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KingD said:
Sorry about the losses of your Molly fry. But congrats on the strong survivors you have now.

Also, for your fry tank (Molly and platy) if you're upgrading to a 10 gallon, a bare bottom is the best way to go so you can monitor them better. That's how I have my guppy fry set up, bare bottom 5 gallon. Now, this is just something that has worked for me but, I would suggest getting a sponge filter to put in the fry tank, one of those that connect to the air pumps. That will allow the water to not be stagnant but will not cause a waterfall like the regular HOB filters, that push the fry around vigorously. I use sponge filters in all my fry tanks and they are doing great. Just remember to keep up with water changes and you should be okay.
my only issue is that I live at home and owe my parents money. now, I have an extra heater for the ten gallon (the adjustable I bought for the ich) and I can't spend any money. I CAN get a ten gallon because they're $10, but buying a filter is out of the question. my friend has a regular tetra whisper or something like that sized for a ten gallon that I can get, but that means no tank light since there's only two plugs available where the tank would go. i'm pretty sure I already have about six power strips in my room(s) and I don't want to have to buy another. I DO have an aerator for a 10 gallon that I can use, and I think if I get something to keep it from squishing I can just use a screen top on the tank and run the tube out fine. that still means no light, however. so that's disappointing.
TL;DR if water movement is the issue, can I just use an air stone?
 

Bijou88

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It's not just about water movement, you'll need the fry tank to cycle just like any other tank, so you'll want a filter. If you already have the air pump get yourself a sponge filter from amazon, they're really affordable and will do the job.

 
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kidster9700

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Bijou88 said:
It's not just about water movement, you'll need the fry tank to cycle just like any other tank, so you'll want a filter. If you already have the air pump get yourself a sponge filter from amazon, they're really affordable and will do the job.
don't the sponge filters normally come with an air pump?

EDIT: I guess not, but I found one on amazon for $4.
 

DioAquatics

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I know that on Amazon you can get a sponge filter for a 10 gallon tank for about 5 dollars or so. I plan on getting another one myself for my shrimp tank I'm going to start soon
 

Dom90

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KingD said:
I know that on Amazon you can get a sponge filter for a 10 gallon tank for about 5 dollars or so. I plan on getting another one myself for my shrimp tank I'm going to start soon
What sponge filter is that?


 

DioAquatics

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this is the one I'm talking about
 

Dom90

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KingD said:
this is the one I'm talking about
Hmm wonder if it would work on my 2.5... The filter I am currently using is getting weaker and weaker flow.


 

DioAquatics

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I think it should work in your 2.5. I plan on getting it for my 5 gallon soon
 
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kidster9700

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so with the 10 gallon as a fry grow-out, what kind of decorations and things go in there for hiding? most plants need something to hold them down from floating unless I get them potted. but I won't have a light so probably no live plants...
 

DioAquatics

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If its just a fry tank with no other fish, you don't really need decoration. I never used anything in my fry tanks before and my fry are all doing great. If you want to put something in the tank, your best bet would probably be some of the plasting plants.
 
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kidster9700

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well I would like to have something nice to look at. the ten gallon I'm using WAS going to be a shrimp only tank, but I think it would be better used as a fry tank. if I did want to have some plants or something, is that like completely advised against or would it be okay if i, say, used sand?
 

DioAquatics

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I think it should be fine to use sand, I'd prefer a bare bottom just so I can make sure my fry are doing good. I'd just make sure you wash the sand before adding it to the tank as it might cloud up a lot.
 
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kidster9700

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KingD said:
I think it should be fine to use sand, I'd prefer a bare bottom just so I can make sure my fry are doing good. I'd just make sure you wash the sand before adding it to the tank as it might cloud up a lot.
yeah, my 55 and 38 are both sand tanks. I have an extra 20lb bag of black sand from when I set up the 55, so I figured I could use some of that. the fry are light in color anyways since they will be yellow and white, so they stand out against black. then I can stick a few plants here and there. then if I ever want to switch it over to shrimp I don't have to do anything. just add more plants and remove the fry.
 

DioAquatics

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Well you said you don't have a light for the tank, so I'm not too sure how well the plants would survive without it, even if theyre low tech plants
 
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kidster9700

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KingD said:
Well you said you don't have a light for the tank, so I'm not too sure how well the plants would survive without it, even if theyre low tech plants
I mean I could always leave my curtain open and get some light in there hahaha. I usually have it closed unless its not sunny out, though.
 

DioAquatics

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You could try that, I'm not an expert on planted tanks. I'm actually looking to plant my 55 gallon tank. Maybe someone who has had experience with planted tanks can help you out with that one.
 
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kidster9700

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KingD said:
You could try that, I'm not an expert on planted tanks. I'm actually looking to plant my 55 gallon tank. Maybe someone who has had experience with planted tanks can help you out with that one.
well my 38 is heavily planted so I know how to do them, but i'm not good with lighting lol
 

DioAquatics

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I'm assuming it could work if they get enough hours of light. Now another issue could be too much natural lighting and you getting an algae bloom which is just annoying
 
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kidster9700

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KingD said:
I'm assuming it could work if they get enough hours of light. Now another issue could be too much natural lighting and you getting an algae bloom which is just annoying
my stupid 5.5 that the fry are in now got brown algae and everything is covered. the light on the tank is ridiculously bright though. and it probably gets some natural light from the massive window in there haha. but the 10 gallon would be in a different room.
on another note, my boyfriend is now trying to get me to get a chameleon and a 40b vertical would fit where i'm planning on putting the 10 gallon and i'm like "you just told me I have to many pets!" and so right now I'm getting all excited about that. it would mean the 10 gallon has to sit on my dresser or something, though.
 

DioAquatics

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Yea I've gotten some brown algae on my fry tank but I cleaned that up really easily. If the plants are getting light and they are growing, then you should be okay.

Now if the chameleon is going to be where the 10 gallon is going to go, does that mean ou won't be getting any light onto the 10 gallon?
 
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kidster9700

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KingD said:
Yea I've gotten some brown algae on my fry tank but I cleaned that up really easily. If the plants are getting light and they are growing, then you should be okay.

Now if the chameleon is going to be where the 10 gallon is going to go, does that mean ou won't be getting any light onto the 10 gallon?
the chameleon is a maybe, but if that happens and I move the 10 gallon then I will get a light for it. because if I get a chameleon it means I have money. which means I can afford to buy one. hahahaha. anyways, I think i'm going to get to work draining it of dead brine shrimp and waterlogged eggs and rinse off the sand and stuff. I won't have the sponge filter until tomorrow but I can still get it ready today. I have a second airstone, would I be able to use my pump for the filter and as a little bubbler? i've never had that in a tank before and I think it might be cute. I only have one check valve, but I guess I could put it before I have the tubing split.
 

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