Molly fry tank has ich! Help!

kidster9700

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Okay, so I CANT turn up the heat because it's a preset heater. I haven't installed the filter yet as they have only just become large enough for the current it will produce, and I already have some aquarium salt in there (because it's good for mollies I've read). I know fry can be sensitive to treatments so I want to know what to do. Normally I would increase heat but as I said the heater is preset (keeps the temp at about 78-80). I've never had ich in a tank before, but I've seen it on fish at my store. There's only about 1-3 specks on the 10 that have them and it doesn't look like it's part of their coloring coming in. Should I add more salt? I have about a tablespoon in a mesh bag in there and it's a 5.5gal. Or do you guys think that it'll clear up from what I have after I get the filter started?


 

tanksalot

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Hello! I am so sorry to hear your mollies have ich! First of all- Don't worry- ICH CAN BE CURED! Now I am not a molly expert but I have had experience with ich. Ich is common- it is okay.

-->SALT: Salt is a great start just like how you have been doing. I strongly suggest to stay along the parameters (like how much salt you use and how frequently) on the box. Do not do more. Though, use as much salt as you can and as frequently as you can.

-->HEAT: So you said you cannot raise the heat? Hmm.... that would be helpful but oh well. That is okay.
Also, are there only mollies in this tank? Plus- you might want to and even drop a visit to your pet store to ask someone about other cures.

Good luck- I hope this helped because I am very new to FishLore!
 
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kidster9700

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It's just mollies in the tank. (Well I have a ramshorn in there to help clean up and I think some bladder snail eggs made their way in but I have hundreds more and don't care about them.)
I don't think the packaging says how often to replace the salt, my current bag has been in there about a week.


 

tanksalot

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Awesome. Yea- your ramshorn snails will be fine. I actually do not know how much or when and I do not want to give you a wrong amount. Hmm... you also want to be doing a lot of water changes. So you might want to research that. And so are you very, very sure you cannot raise the temperature?

Also, just to make sure that this is ICH, do the dots look like little grains of something, like salt?

And again- TOO MUCH SALT can kill your fish or "shock" it kind of. And seriously, there are "cures" for ich that you can buy at stores that do work. If you buy one, please make sure to change your filter before use otherwise it will not do anything.

And by the way, to prevent this from happening next time, make sure that when you buy a new fish, it is clean and has no ich.

Hope this helps.
 
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kidster9700

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1) I'm not 100% it's ich
2) Molly can actually be raised brackish so unless I put in a TON of salt they will be fine
3) they were caught within an hour of birth and there is/was no ich in that tank
4) they have been in my 5.5 for about three weeks and it just showed up.
5) looks like white specks but since they're so tiny they only have one or two and it's on the tail. It might be the coloring but the spots look too large for that.


 

Dom90

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tanksalot said:
Plus- you might want to and even drop a visit to your pet store to ask someone about other cures.

Good luck- I hope this helped because I am very new to FishLore!
Kidster actually works at a Petco...


 

thefishdude277

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Dom90 said:
Kidster actually works at a Petco...
That's convenient!


 
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kidster9700

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thefishdude277 said:
That's convenient!
It is! Unfortunately I've never had ich in one of my tanks and I just don't want my baby mollies to die. And if it isn't ich I don't want to medicate because I've heard that's not always good for the fish.


 

tanksalot

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Dom90 said:
Kidster actually works at a Petco...

That is awesome! Anyway, you should search online for ways to identify ich. Also, FishLore has a page on Ich. I have heard they first start to appear on the "pectoral fins." Also, they might swim as if their fins are uncomfortable.

Does any of this sound familiar?
 
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kidster9700

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tanksalot said:
That is awesome! Anyway, you should search online for ways to identify ich. Also, FishLore has a page on Ich. I have heard they first start to appear on the "pectoral fins." Also, they might swim as if their fins are uncomfortable.

Does any of this sound familiar?
It's hard to say if they swim uncomfortable but the spots are on their uh, oh I can't remember what it's called. Tail fin. And that back area. ©


 

tanksalot

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Their fins might be "clamped shut"- are they?
 
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kidster9700

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The ones with specks yes. And it does resemble salt specks upon further inspection. It looks like only half of them actually have it.


 

Anders247

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Rather than using salt which some fish can be sensitive to, I would raise the heat. But if you can't do that either try using Kordon Ich Attack.
 

tanksalot

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Okay then. I am very sure it is ich. Do not worry just try to follow the steps.
 
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kidster9700

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Maybe I could add like one of those little betta heaters that are for only 1-3 gallons?


 

Anders247

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Well, you need to get it up to 86 and that probably won't do it for you.
 
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kidster9700

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It's at 80 right now. I have it on top of my minI fridge actually because it's really warm over there.


 

tanksalot

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It is better than nothing.


Thanks, tanksalot.
 

Bijou88

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Also, if you use medication and end up adding your filter remove any carbon or it will suck out the meds. Meds might be your best bet unfortunately if you aren't able to get an adjustable heater.



 
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kidster9700

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Okay, I think I'm going to do a water change and look into an adjustable heater. I also can't add the filter until I cut the tank lid (my first DIY tank hood!)


 

Bijou88

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An adjustable is a good idea I think, heat is the safest/easiest way to treat ich imo. Make sure when you raise the temp that your filter (assuming you can get your hood cut in time) agitates the water well or add an air stone, higher temperatures mean lower oxygen in the water.

 
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kidster9700

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Molly fry tank had ich! Help!

Okay, so tomorrow I might make a pet store run. I'm going to get a couple tiny plants for an ADF tank I'm planning and I will pick up a new heater if they have one small enough that is also adjustable. I'll hang on to the current one though since it works great for normal conditions. I'm going to set up a 10 gallon soon, so maybe if I can't find a smaller adjustable heater I could buy one appropriately sized for a 10g? I'll also look at the ich treatments we have.

I actually have a small air stone and a pump for 5-10 gallons that I could try and get in there but I think I would still need the hood to be cut.

 

Dom90

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You don't get employee discount at Petco? o.o


 
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kidster9700

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Dom90 said:
You don't get employee discount at Petco? o.o
I do but I don't earn very much working part time! (Plus I need to save money as well)
I'm going to get this stuff there if maybe it didn't sound like it... I live pretty close to the largest petco in SoCal lol. They have like six different ball python morphs, a nice saltwater selection, moving signs for the different pet sections, it's very cool.


 
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kidster9700

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This is really bothering me, can one of the mods fix my topic title so it says "has" not "had"? Or can someone tell me how I can do it myself if I can?


 

Dom90

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You'll need a mod to come around and fix it for you. Coradee Lucy


 
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Lucy

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kidster9700 said:
This is really bothering me, can one of the mods fix my topic title so it says "has" not "had"? Or can someone tell me how I can do it myself if I can?
Dom90 said:
You'll need a mod to come around and fix it for you.
Fixed
 
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kidster9700

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so the problem with adding another filter is that the preset ones turn off when they get to 78. SO the aquatic specialist at a different petco actually suggested going the other way and making it cooler. as long as I don't shock the fish, any change in temperature should kill the ich. thoughts on that? without the heater I could maybe get it down to 74F. he said to also try putting in a frozen jug of water (although since my tank is five gallons maybe a frozen half of a water bottle) to get it cooler than that. obviously I would wait until its gotten as cool as it can without a heater before doing that so it doesn't spike down too fast.
 

Bijou88

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I've never heard of making it cooler as a treatment. As long as you add an adjustable heater (you could just replace the one your using instead) the preset one is moot, the adjustable one will still heat to what it's set at.

 
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kidster9700

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The problem is that I can't find an adjustable heater that's for less than 10g


 

Dom90

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I think you'd be able to use an adjustable 50w heater, it will only heat up faster.


 
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kidster9700

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Okay, thank you. I have a ten gallon I might set up for shrimp eventually or keep around for quarantine or maybe I'll actually use it for brine shrimp like I originally wanted to. I might use the adjustable for that after the ich is gone


 
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kidster9700

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Alright, I got the 50w adjustable and stuck it in there. also, the salt does not say when to replace it. It's ApI aquarium salt


 
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kidster9700

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Oh poop, so this tank had been without a filter for too long. And the lighting is super intense. It's getting the dreaded brown algae. And it's on my lava rock. This tank is becoming a disaster.


 
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kidster9700

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this is bad! so! the adjustable heater has not raised my temp! it went DOWN to 78! and my fry do not look good a couple look like they're about to die. barely swimming, top of the tank, fins clamped tight. I don't know what to do!
I think i'm going to do a 50% water change and set up the filter. they were fine two days ago, still had it, but healthy swimming.
 

Dom90

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Maybe your adjustable heater is broken? Just crank it up all the way and see what it does?
 
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kidster9700

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Dom90 said:
Maybe your adjustable heater is broken? Just crank it up all the way and see what it does?
its a brand new heater, and it is cranked up all the way. I think my water change yesterday may have ruined the cycle :/ I would move them into a breeder net in my main tank but I don't want all my other fish to get ich too!
 

Dom90

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Yea that would be a catastrophe. It may just be that the heater you bought was defective then.
 
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kidster9700

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so I tried hooking up the filter and as I suspected the flow is too strong for them! I didn't buy this filter with a fry tank in mind and it literally just pushed the dying ones around the tank like they were already dead. how can I save them? they look like they need to eat but aren't eating. did I put too much salt??? is it the ich???
 
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kidster9700

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okay, I don't really know what to do. all 15 just look terrible. clamped fins, barely moving, gaping mouths. I might have to just start that tank over. I have resources from my 38 to help it cycle right away but i'm still afraid it won't work or the fry will get too stressed. what would you guys do in my situation?
 

Bijou88

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Keep the filter, just make a baffle. You can either use a water bottle or make one like mine (picture)

 
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kidster9700

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Bijou88 said:
Keep the filter, just make a baffle. You can either use a water bottle or make one like mine (picture)
how did you make that? I can't quite tell what it is.
 

Bijou88

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It's a plastic suction cup soap dish with holes in the bottom, they're like $3 at Walmart. It just has the glass aquarium things in it but gravel if it's big enough would work too. This one is on my betta tank, I had one on my fry tank when they were smaller too.

Or you can use a water bottle for a baffle but I don't like those as much personally. Just cut both ends off a water bottle and cut a slit in it lengthwise, slide it over the filter output. It just diverts the water to the sides making the flow less intense.


I would do another water change to get more of the salt out of the tank, it's not really necessary. I think your heater may be faulty as mentioned if it's not heating yet.
 
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kidster9700

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Bijou88 said:
It's a plastic suction cup soap dish with holes in the bottom, they're like $3 at Walmart. It just has the glass aquarium things in it but gravel if it's big enough would work too. This one is on my betta tank, I had one on my fry tank when they were smaller too.
so this diffuses the strong flow? what if I just put like a sponge over it? I have some sponge material from when I had to diy an intake cover
 

Bijou88

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Sponge kinda works too. The suction cup one the water just diffuses through it, you can put it where the bottom is actually in the water if you don't need the surface agitation and it makes the flow even weaker.

 
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kidster9700

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so I actually had a good spot to shove a cutting of sponge in there, couldn't get it right at the bottom edge to completely diffuse the flow, but it bearable for the fry now. a few spots they have to swim but they can relax in other spots. before they were all getting thrown about wildly
 

Bijou88

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That's good, it should help things having the filter running in there.

 
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kidster9700

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should I hold off on another water change you think? they all look so sad... and starved. they seriously look like they haven't eaten in three days. all of them. but wouldn't go for the normal stuff during feeding time.
 

Bijou88

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I would do another water change personally, but it may stress them out. Try throwing in a couple shrimp pellets if you have any, mine go nuts for them.

 
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kidster9700

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Bijou88 said:
I would do another water change personally, but it may stress them out. Try throwing in a couple shrimp pellets if you have any, mine go nuts for them.
I do have shrimp pellets! I also have frozen bloodworms I can break out but they're actually for my frog haha

EDIT: literally no reaction. one is now on its side. another is stuck on the sponge intake. half are at the top gasping (not for air) and the rest are hiding in the tank. this is super depressing
 

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