Missing Orange Shoulder tang???

Discussion in 'Tangs - Surgeonfish' started by JTTSDBEMV, Dec 28, 2012.

  1. JTTSDBEMV

    JTTSDBEMVNew MemberMember

    I cannot find my orange shoulder tang anywhere! He's been in the tank about 4 days and I haven't seen him all day today. Usually he's swimming all over the place. I already checked behind the tank and he didn't jump. I've looked around in the live rock and he is nowhere to be found. He's about 3 inches. There is a small anemone in the tank that is about 6 inches when spread out. It's closed up right now and I'm afraid it ate him... Tank is 55 gallon. I know tank is too small for full-grown size, have a 125 getting set up in the spring. LFS has a 3 year old OS tang on display that is only about 9 inches so they said he'd do good in the 55 for a few months. Been eating mysis and nori great. Tank mates are 2 clowns, a bangaii cardinal and a tiger watchman goby. Water parameters are all right where they should be. Am I going to need to tear down the live rock in case he died in there? Or should I wait a few more days to see if he shows?
     
    Dec 28, 2012
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  2. ryanr

    ryanrModeratorModerator Member

    Overflow weir? (If you have one)

    What type of anemone? It is possible the tang got stung and eaten, but I think that's a long shot.

    Did you QT the tang? Was it healthy?

    A stressed fish can be very good at hiding to protect itself.

    Do you have shrimp in your clean-up crew? If so, and the tang passed, the shrimp will make light work of it, and all evidence will be gone in a matter of hours.

    I hope it shows up, and that the tang was just stressed and hiding.
     
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  3. OP
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    JTTSDBEMV

    JTTSDBEMVNew MemberMember

    The LFS had him in quarantine for 3 weeks for me before I brought him home and he was very healthy, expect a little on the skinny side from being in the small QT tank with no algae to graze on. As for the anemone type it is a bubble tip. No cleaner shrimp right now. Emerald crabs, turbo snails and narcissus snails.
     




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  4. ryanr

    ryanrModeratorModerator Member

    Unlikely that a BTA got it, well, unlikely it would sting it enough to kill. A BTA could definitely devour the remains though if it happened to float past.
    Nassa snails would make light work of the remains though.

    Give it some time, maybe wait for lights out, and see if it shows up. If it is stressed, bright lights will keep it in hiding. My PJ cardinal was like that for a good month when I got it. Now it's out and about (though PJ's are more nocturnal anyway)
     




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  5. OP
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    JTTSDBEMV

    JTTSDBEMVNew MemberMember

    They get fed tonight, so hopefully he'll come out. I'll watch for him after the lights turn off in about an hour and a half. Hopefully he'll turn up.
     
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  6. Mike

    MikeFishloreAdmin Moderator Member

    Hopefully it comes out of hiding for you. I agree that the BTA wouldn't have killed it, but may eat the decomposing body. If he does come out of hiding, I'd have nori/algae sheets all day every day on the tank wall for it to eat.

    This stuff:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJXrkIBHJkY
     
    Dec 28, 2012
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  7. ryanr

    ryanrModeratorModerator Member

    Good advice from Mike.

    Another thought - do you have any aiptasia in the tank? I have read a few cases of aiptasia stinging and killing live stock.
     
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  8. OP
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    JTTSDBEMV

    JTTSDBEMVNew MemberMember

    There is no visible aiptasia in the tank. It's very possible he's just hidden really well, the goby has made an abundance of crevices he could fit it. I hope that is the case. Mike- I'll start keeping the nori out all the time if he does turn up.
     
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  9. ryanr

    ryanrModeratorModerator Member

    Hope it shows up!
     
    Dec 28, 2012
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  10. OP
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    JTTSDBEMV

    JTTSDBEMVNew MemberMember

    I'm thinking he's a goner. Even the first day when he hid all day he darted out for food. No sign of him after feeding. That's what I've never liked about saltwater...40 dollar fish gone without a trace! Now just have to figure out what happened before I think about adding any other fish. Bye fishie :-(

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  11. ryanr

    ryanrModeratorModerator Member

    :( :console:
     
    Dec 28, 2012
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  12. OP
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    JTTSDBEMV

    JTTSDBEMVNew MemberMember

    Well, I think I found what killed him. I was just doing a water change and moved a piece of live rock and the side I couldn't see from the front of the tank is covered with aiptasia. The live rock happened to be the one he hid behind if he got spooked. Guess I'll have to get some peppermint shrimp to take care of it.
     
    Dec 30, 2012
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  13. ryanr

    ryanrModeratorModerator Member

    Sorry to hear :(

    Be sure to get the right species of peppermint. There's only two that are known to eat aiptasia (assuming it's not too big to be eaten)
    Lysmata wurdemanni https://www.fishlore.com/profile-peppermintshrimp.htm - more common in the US
    Lysmata vittata more common in Aus (I have these guys)
     
    Dec 30, 2012
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