Malachite Green With Antibiotics

Ulu
  • #1
Is this okay or should they never be used together?

What about salt with antibiotics?
 
Thunder_o_b
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What are you trying to do?
 
Mary765
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Ulu
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Thunder
Have a serpae tetra that appears to have a bacterial infection and it's presenting some fungus which is reduced/removed with malachite Green + salt, however the underlying infection appears to have moved/spread. I'm doing another round of Malachite and salt and about ready to add erythromycin.

Mary
I'm 62 years old and I've been taking antibiotics my whole life. Admittedly I don't take them very often and for exactly the reasons that you would imply. I don't want to have to fight off superbugs.
 
Thunder_o_b
  • #5
Be sure you use the right gram positive or gram negative for it. There are broad spectrums that are said to treat both. As for mixing I can not say. I have never done that. I have not used malachite green in 45 years.
 
Ulu
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  • #6
All I've ever used for 45 years is malachite green and salt, followed by lots of water changes.

I was recently talked into buying expensive antibiotics : API General cure, furazone and erythromycin
 
Ulu
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  • #7
You understand I spent over $50 to cure disease on $25 worth of fish? In the old days I would have never done this.

If salt, malachite green or methylene blue were not effective I would just move on to some stronger fish.

Eventually I grew fish to live10 and 15 years, but we're not talking about sensitive fish either nor expensive ones nor rare ones in except that they did live a long time.

In my experience with common fish only one out of six lived a long time and only one out of 30 lived a really long time.

But I am a computer guy and no vet, so what the heck do I know about fish disease?
 
Ulu
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  • #8
Like how do you tell if it's gram-positive or gram-negative without doing the culture? Is there some kind of electronic detector nowadays?
 
fissh
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I was an importer for many years and owned a LFS for too many years so we're talking lots of fish. My go too shotgun drug treatment was a half dose of malachite, a full dose of furazone and salt for 3 days, longer if needed. It worked very well on most problems. So I would say your right on with General cure, salt and malachite.
 
Ulu
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  • #10
Thank you buddy I did that almost exactly.
I gave the tank a half dose of Weco Nox-ich which is malachite green and salt. I gave the problem fish a slightly stronger dip.


The next day I gave another half dose of Nox-ich to the tank and the first dose of furazone. 12 hours later I changed 3/4 the water & I left the fish rest for 12 hours with clean water.

The third day I gave another half dose Nox-ich plus furazone. 4th day the same, then 12 hrs changed 3/4 the water.

The wound diminished at first but now it is about the same again. I decided to try the erythromycin.

Anyhow, I think you have answered my question. Malachite green and salt can be used with antibiotics
 
Ulu
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  • #11
By the way I did try the API general cure for 4 days before using the malachite green and furazone treatment, but to no noticeable effect.
 
fissh
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I can tell you an old timer, I also use Nox-ich, you can't bear the price!
 
Thunder_o_b
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Like how do you tell if it's gram-positive or gram-negative without doing the culture? Is there some kind of electronic detector nowadays?
That is the thing, I really do not have much experience at all with sick fish. I guess I have lived a charmed life. Ick 3 times in the last 50 years and a couple of light boughts with fin issues (mating cichlids play rough ) so I am not sure. I have heard there is some way but the others here might know. The broad spectrum seems to work well from the reviews I have read over the last few years.
 
Ulu
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Okay I'm getting that broad-spectrum antibiotics treat both gram-positive and gram-negative, but I'm not sure if EM or Furazone qualify in either respect. (or both)
 
Ulu
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I've been keeping tropical fish for 45-plus years and I have always used aquarium salt as both a cure and a prophylactic method.

My problem is maybe that I didn't use enough salt.

Until lately I didn't realize how hard it was on the bottom fish. I think I may have salted some poor corydoras to death.

Now I am very careful about adding salt to the tank, and if I can really detect it on my reef tank hygrometer I know I've got more than I want.

I have another tank with the same issue and it houses a betta, a neon, and 3 corydoras.

The betta has a spot on its nose. I've been giving the tank Nox-Ich and he got a fast dip, but I only put half dose in the tank because I have the Cories and neon.

So I have one sick tank & my quarantine tank is full.

Somebody mentioned using Epsom salts as a dip for bettas and I thought I might try that for him but he doesn't appear to be pineconing per se. That doesn't mean he hasn't got internal infections.

I don't know if the Epsom salts would be more or less harsh than aquarium salt.

I probably only used it on myself maybe once in my entire life.
 
fissh
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I only use salt when a tank has a problem. It is rough on bottom fish. I think furazone is gram neg and pos. A lot of internal problems are cured with metronidazole.
 
Ulu
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Well I left the malachite Green in the involved tanks, and added the EM to both.

After half a day I don't see any positive change in the betta, but the serpae does seem to be improving. He's been on malachite longer than the betta so that's expected.

I mixed them up some medicated food with garlic and I'll see if I can feed them tomorrow.
 
Ulu
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  • #18
I didn't have much luck with the garlic infused food. I'll try without the garlic tomorrow.

I gave each tank another half dose of malachite today.

They both got more EM as well. I'm seeing positive behavior in all the fish.
 

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