Looking For Help…

Discussion in 'Welcome to FishLore' started by Linds, May 24, 2019.

  1. LindsNew MemberMember

    What is the water volume of the tank? Water filled 4.2 gallons
    How long has the tank been running? 1 year
    Does it have a filter? Yes. Internal Carbon
    Does it have a heater? Yes.
    What is the water temperature? 80 degrees fahrenheit
    What is the entire stocking of this tank? (Please list all fish and inverts.) 1 beautiful male betta

    How often do you change the water? Weekly
    How much of the water do you change? 35%
    What do you use to treat your water? Prime.
    Do you vacuum the substrate or just the water? Vacuum

    Did you cycle your tank before adding fish? Yes
    What do you use to test the water? API freshwater test kit
    What are your parameters? We need to know the exact numbers, not just “fine” or “safe”.

    Ammonia: 0
    Nitrite: 0
    Nitrate: 3-4 ppm
    pH: 7.4

    How often do you feed your fish? Twice a day
    How much do you feed your fish? Two pellets
    What brand of food do you feed your fish? Omega One Betta Buffet
    Do you feed frozen or freeze-dried foods? Not until now

    Illness & Symptoms
    How long have you had this fish? 2.5 years
    How long ago did you first notice these symptoms? A little over a month
    In a few words, can you explain the symptoms? Bloated belly
    Have you started any treatment for the illness? Yes
    Was your fish physically ill or injured upon purchase? No
    How has its behavior and appearance changed, if at all? Lethargic. Bloated.

    The problem is, he’s retaining a lot of fluid in his belly. Long story short, I introduced a new pellet a little over a month ago with much higher protein content. I believe this is what caused a block in his system. Previous to that he had been on a strictly pellet diet of Omega One Betta Buffet. I NOW know that is not an ideal diet for him. So, please don’t hate on me. After consulting my local fish store, I introduced aquarium salt and bettafix. The block was eventually relieved by giving him frozen brine shrimp. So, he is passing now with no raised fins. Then his tank PH spiked from 7.4 to 8.2. I'm not sure what caused this, but I added Fluvel peat granules to lower the PH (this worked) and eventually did a 100% water change to get rid of any residual aquarium salt. So in an effort to recycle his tank, with him in it, I’ve been administering Aquarvitro Seed for 6 days at this point. Still the problem remains, he’s quite round and retaining fluid. He’s still happily eating and I’ve been using mostly frozen food for him during this time. Also, he’s still very responsive to me and active (just less active than before). I’ve tried epsom salt baths to relieve the swelling. He freaks out after a few minutes. I’m wondering if I should add epsom to his tank? I’m just weary of going down the “add it to the aquarium” road again.

    Two days ago, I had resolved that there was nothing else I could do and to just let nature take it’s course. But, somehow tonight I’m again Googling around and looking for help. I just love my little love bug so much. And he is really fighting…

    Many thanks for any insight :)
  2. david1978Fishlore LegendMember

    This might sound strange but sometimes we keep chasing a problem and only making it worse. I know we want to do all we can but some times they just need some time after being treated for something to recover.
  3. LindsNew MemberMember

    Wow. That advice is not strange at all. Thank you David.
  4. david1978Fishlore LegendMember

    Typically when I treat a fish I wait a week or so once I feel its cured to try something different.
  5. LindsNew MemberMember

    Well, it's coming up on a week (on Sunday) since his 100% water change.
  6. david1978Fishlore LegendMember

    The biggest thing I'm wondering about is why you are recycling your tank. Salt and melifix won't hurt your cycle in any way and your numbers for ammonia and stuff are looking good.
  7. LindsNew MemberMember

    Gosh. Well, I was concerned about the aquarium salt in his tank and if that would conflict with giving him an epsom salt bath. As I’ve read about, the two in combination could be a bad mix.
  8. david1978Fishlore LegendMember

    I get the water change to get the salt out. But your bacterial cycle live in your filter and in your substrate with very little in the water. If food is passing then he is no longer constipated but still may be inflamed.
  9. LindsNew MemberMember

    Yeah. I now you are right David. And, I’ve never done a 100% water change, until recently. Truth be told, before coming here, I asked a fish specialist on justanswer.com. She was very nice, and seemed quite experienced. She suggested adding more aquarium salt, and if that didn’t work, suggested doing a 100% water change and adding epsom salt directly into his tank. I didn’t add more aquarium salt. Because he’d been with that for a few weeks at that point. But, in desperation I did the 100% change, just to try an epsom salt bath without the risk of going from aquarium salt to epsom.
  10. LindsNew MemberMember

    But yes, he is still inflamed.
  11. david1978Fishlore LegendMember

    Epson salt is used 2 ways. Directly to the tank is to relieve constipation since you have to use such a low dose. A bath at the higher dose is used to draw out excess liquids in the fishes flesh. Now if its a more internal thing it won't help.
  12. david1978Fishlore LegendMember

    Do you happen to have a pic?
  13. LindsNew MemberMember

    Here he is.

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  14. david1978Fishlore LegendMember

    @Addie42 can you see the pic better then I can? I'm on my phone.
  15. LindsNew MemberMember

    Here's a better view of the pic. Green line = where he was. Red line = where he is now.

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  17. kallililly1973Well Known MemberMember

    ? I'm not good with fish disease and illnesses. If he is bloated have you tried to fast him for a couple days or although some disagree with a deshelled pea have you tried feeding one to him?
  18. david1978Fishlore LegendMember

    I'm looking at my males and 1 looks like that and the other 2 are flatter in the stomach. So I'm not sure. Fasting him does sound like an idea.
  19. Addie42Well Known MemberMember

    I couldn’t see anything wrong until OP outlined it as well
    Is the fish pineconing?
    You do not want to use NaCl because that will further the swelling
    Epsom salts is the salt to go for, no reason to use aquarium salt here
  20. LindsNew MemberMember

    All, I know is this shape is not normal for him. Yes, fasted. He’s passing. So, I don’t think it’s constipation any more. No pine coning either. But he’s retaining fluid.

    Unfortunately, he doesn’t like epsom salt dips/baths. He freaks out after a few minutes. So, that’s why I was asking if I should introduce it to this tank.