Just gotta say

shollia

Member
That even though I don't own any bettas (at the moment)... reading all of the posts here and how much love you guys have for them is really making me catch the betta bug.
I spent all last night here reading various topics and at that bettatalk website reading the stories people sent in and I just can't wait to eventually get my very own betta!
I already know that I want a 5 gallon tank for one to sit in this nice cubby on my desk.. and eventually want a female in another 5 gallon to sit next to the other so the 2 bettas can flirt with eachother
I wanted to get a betta for our 28gallon tank, but with the kind of fish my bf wants, I knew it wasn't going to be possible and if we did get one, it would soon be without fins.
So I just told him that I WILL get me my betta eventually heh
I'm just gonna be getting me one from one of the LPSs here since I think those need better homes ASAP.

And yeah *nodnod* You guys are great & I love reading all your posts and whenever I do eventually get me my babies... I'll be sure to share them with ya'll
 

nmwierman1977

Member
Welcome to fishlore Shollia!! You without a doubt will not regret getting a Betta. They are such great fish. They are compassionate, loving, caring living beings. They really do communicate with you too. Whenever I approach Mr. Red he comes to me. If I'm in the kitchen he he'll watch me do what I'm doing. They really like being involved in everything you do. So, when you do get one just enjoy him/her. Natalie
 

AesSedai

Member
I'm not sure they're fish.
I think they came from another planet.

They don't resemble fish here at all <g>

Welcome to FishLore ((shollia))

It's a given almost, I think, that someone that reads up on Bettas before even getting one will make a fantastic Betta mom!  So wise, and, if you have the bug now, you will SURELY have it when you experience these special (and SMART) creatures! 

How long do you have to wait?  I wonder if Petco still has the 5 gallon hex on sale for $29.99  You could get the tank cycled....while you wait.
 
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shollia

Member
Well we don't have a Petco here. We only have Superpets (which I really don't like going to) and another one called Petsmart that's a little further away.
I'll just have to wait until whenever we have a little extra money and shop around a little to see what tank I actually want Also want to wait until our 28gallon is fully cycled so I can see about using it's filter or gravel to help cycle a 5 gallon (I'll have to read up more on that though)
 

LZ Floyd

Member
Welcome Shollia!  It sounds like you're getting well prepared to get a Betta, or two.  They are pretty cool fish, y'know!  And it's nice you want to get one that needs a home ASAP.  Sometimes the lps Bettas come with a litany of problems that will need attention.  If it comes to that, you can find help here pretty much anytime you need it.

Not sure that PetCo has the Hex 5s at $29.99 anymore; their site said $44.95.  Wal-Mart is another place to check, though.

WRT cycling, the Bio-Spira method is probably the quickest route.  But there are several ways to cycle a tank.  If you've not already done so, check out the sticky's on the Betta Fish page.

Mike
 

AesSedai

Member
shollia said:
Well we don't have a Petco here. We only have Superpets (which I really don't like going to) and another one called Petsmart that's a little further away.
I'll just have to wait until whenever we have a little extra money and shop around a little to see what tank I actually want Also want to wait until our 28gallon is fully cycled so I can see about using it's filter or gravel to help cycle a 5 gallon (I'll have to read up more on that though)
Smart. I hear peeps hear talking about using old filter media or gravel in a bag so you're onto something for sure. Having a tank shipped to you would probably be too expensive because of the weight or you could shop online and get the best price.

I look forward to your post introducing your new guy or girl Betta
 

chickadee

Member
I see a lot of the folks have beaten me to the welcome, but I want to put my two cents worth in of course. I want you to know that I admire you for taking the time to get to know about bettas before you buy. I respect anyone who is willing to learn, don't get me wrong, whether it be before or after the purchase, but you will save yourself some problems this way, I believe.

I love the fact that you are getting your bettas from those needing homes. It is a personal failure of mine that I have been unable to do so.

If you need help on the care and raising of the betta when you get it, it is available here. We have a great group of people here who are ready, willing and able to help and are the best group of people in the world in my opinion. You are also free to continue to browse at your desire the posts that are made here and in other areas of the forum and you will learn a lot from the problems and posts of the others. Please feel free to make any comments or ask any questions you may have and we will do the best we can to help.

Thank you for joining us and we look forward to getting to know you and your future Betta better..

Rose
 

AesSedai

Member
chickadee said:
I love the fact that you are getting your bettas from those needing homes. It is a personal failure of mine that I have been unable to do so.
Sorry Rose but you can't take that rap!! A failure?? I think not. I believe you have trouble getting out and about? That's not a failure. Also, do you know...(yes you do)...how many you have taught to care for Bettas the right way? If any of those go to get a Betta in trouble in a store, you are why they are able to do that!

No matter what the future brings me for Bettas, I'll always remember the incredibly helpful person named Rose that taught me how to care for the creatures I love so much (directly and indirectly you've taught me) and how much more confidence I have today than before I came to FishLore. I'm not ready to rescue Betta yet but when I am, I have you (and everyone else here) to thank for that.

And...you DO rescue suffering Bettas every single day here in the forum

Namaste Dear One
 

0morrokh

Member
Yes I agree Rose if you can't get to the stores then it's not any failure for not buying there.

Shollia, I hope you can get your Bettas soon! Little tip on how to cheat and skip the cycle...when the 28 is cycled don't bother with the filter media trick...just stick the whole filter into the 28, leave it there a week or two, and viola! you have a seeded filter, no hastle. when you are ready to get Mr. or Mrs. Betta, simply stick the filter in the tank, add the fish, and you have an instantly cycled tank. ;D This is also a good way to keep an extra filter cycled for a q tank which is only occasionally in use.
 
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shollia

Member
Now see, this is why I'm just in love with this place and all of you people! lol
I don't even know ya but your total love of our aquatic friends and the other people on this forum is just so heartwarming! Dern you people! I'm gonna choke from all the gooey sweetness! hehe

And don't you worry, if I have a question I'll be sure to ask it! I want to learn as much as I can about bettas (or any other fish) before I get one.

And thanks 0morrokh for that most helpful trick! I hadn't even thought of that heh. Sounds like a sure fire way though to get a cycled tank in no time!
We're hopefully gonna be heading to a pet store tomorrow so I can browse around for my future 5gallons
 

divakeeks

Member
Welcome Shollia! better late than never, eh?

The betta bug is VERY easy to catch!!! I bought my first betta one a whI'm a year or so ago and I haven't stopped owning them since!! They are SO much fun!!!


Can't wait to see your new friend and the setup you get!! There are so many choices!!!!!
 

Phloxface

Member
Bettas are really special fish. Don't get me wrong, I love all fish (and animals) but Bettas just have so much personality you really can fall in love with them!
I got my first Betta about 4 months ago (has it really only been 4 months!) while my cat was dying of cancer. I was so distraught over the cat and heartbroken. I wanted a pet to take care of that I wouldn't get so attached to so that when it died I wouldn't have to go through what I did with my cat (and many other pets I've owned and lost over the years).
Within days of getting Phlox I knew I was attached but it was too late. He had so much personality and love in him to give. Now, four months later I have SEVEN Bettas (2 males, 5 females) and tanks all around me!
It is so rewarding to go to the store and get a sad, abused, cold and sometimes sick little Betta who is just floating quietly in a tiny cup and see their little faces light up when they are released into a large warm tank with plants and ornaments to explore! It must seem like paradise for them! They become so active and joyful it's hard to take your eyes off them!
I've had a very sick, starved and abused female Betta who was on the verge of death just SPRING to life after coming home and being put into a warm clean tank with some antibiotics. That was all she needed and within 12 hours she was swimming around and within 24 hours the swelling and infection in her gills had gone down enough that she was able to eat, probably for the first time in a long time! She has now gained weight and is active and healthy. (and strong enough to be a bit of a bully as well!  )
These fish have an incredible will to live if given a reason to live. Something about being in that tiny cup on a dark shelf, pushed way to the back where no one can see them just breaks these fish and they give up on themselves and sink into a deep depression. This kind of stress plus the dirty, cold, ammonia filled water in the cup causes finrot at the very least and many other bacterial infections.  I have tested the water in the cups after bringing my fish home and have found ammonia levels as high as 3 and temps as low as 58 degrees! I'm amazed they live more than a few days in those conditions!  An employee at Petsmart told me most are bought within a few days but those that aren't usually die within a week to ten days. 
Every new member who comes here having just bought a new Betta or who is going to buy one makes me so happy! I know then that at least one more Betta will be getting the proper care they need and deserve!
And Rose, you haven't failed... You have kept this forum active by promptly answering questions and because of that so many of us come here every day and keep posting. People cannot get the information they need on an inactive forum. Many store bought "cup Bettas" are living healthier, happier lives in bigger tanks thanks to you and this active forum.
shollia, we look forward to meeting your Betta(s) and hearing your stories. 
 

nmwierman1977

Member
Sorry Rose but you can't take that rap!! A failure?? I think not. I believe you have trouble getting out and about? That's not a failure. Also, do you know...(yes you do)...how many you have taught to care for Bettas the right way? If any of those go to get a Betta in trouble in a store, you are why they are able to do that!

No matter what the future brings me for Bettas, I'll always remember the incredibly helpful person named Rose that taught me how to care for the creatures I love so much (directly and indirectly you've taught me) and how much more confidence I have today than before I came to FishLore. I'm not ready to rescue Betta yet but when I am, I have you (and everyone else here) to thank for that.

And...you DO rescue suffering Bettas every single day here in the forum

Namaste Dear One
I have to agree about Rose. When I first got Mr. Red I downloaded an E-book about them to find out info about them. I have to say Rose has taught me a lot more then what those books say. Rose I have to say you're the best. Natalie
 

gammerus

Member
True enough, I have learned more than I thought possible about bettas from the people at this site and rose.
 

chickadee

Member
I am more than happy to be of some use here and it is my pleasure to help anyone. I only am saying that I wish that I could offer a home to some of the poor little bettas in the cups. I am so glad that some of you have been helped in some way by my ramblings and believe me that you all inspire this Betta Board and the Bettas that we all own are the stars of our heaven here. They are the reason behind the Board and deserve the credit for being my inspiration a lot of time.

Rose
 

gammerus

Member
Its not really a bad thing to buy from breeders, you are encouraging a fair and humane market ;D
 
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shollia

Member
I think it'd be neat to try to breed bettas. But I know I would never be able to do it. Not with all the room you would have to dedicate for it. And then having to part with the little guys! heh

Anywho! I just got offered a art project from my bf's grandfather to paint 2 pics for him for his lodge (part of the whole masons thing). If it all comes through and he doesn't forget.. I could make $500+
I'm also waiting for some money from this online store my sis-in-law setup. She's using my artwork so I'm getting half of the profit. We've sold a lot so I hope we'll be getting a check for that soon.

Lil Bettas... I'm coming for ya slowly but surely!! heh

Question..... Do the major petstores usually carry female bettas? I can't ever remember seeing females. Think I'm gonna have to look into that... *nodnod*
 

gammerus

Member
yeah, I have seen females at walmart, petsmart, and petco.
 
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shollia

Member
gammerus said:
yeah, I have seen females at walmart, petsmart, and petco.

Alrighty! Guess I'll just have to open my eyes then heh. I've probably just overlooked them thinking they were a different kind of fish heh

I do have a question!
I would really like to get a live plant(s) to put in the tanks. Which would you folk recommend? Which would the betta(s) love the best?
 

Phloxface

Member
You definitely need to get Java fern for your tank! They are very easy, undemanding plants and they do a great job cleaning your water of bad things your Betta should not be exposed to. They look nice too. All my tanks have a little Cabomba in it too. It's a soft fuzzy looking thing that looks delicate but is remarkably hardy and doesn't shed too much. All my fish LOVE Cabomba. The boys like to lie on it and bend it all the way to the gravel, sitting on it like a sofa. It just springs right back up when they are done. It doesn't grow roots so it needs to be weighted down with a rock or ornament. I leave a piece floating at the top sometimes too. My fish like to float under it while sleeping.
Some folks like java moss too but you need to know that it grows fast and takes over your tank very quickly, getting into your filter and clogging things up bad.
Other plants I've been successful with are dwarf hairgrass (it's like a patch of grass from your lawn), Red Ludwigia, Sword plants (there are many different types) and Cardamine lyrata, a beautiful bushy plant that drapes across the top like a canopy. My girls burrow into it to sleep. It's very calming and makes the fish feel secure. This plant needs to be kept away from the filter outlet or airstone as any strong current directly on it will tear it apart. Otherwise quite hardy.
I have other plants that I don't know the names to that are great, and I've had some that died within a week of bringing it home. One actually just disintegrated overnight!
Avoid Hornwort, VERY messy.
Just ask the sales person at the fish store which plants are easy to take care of. Almost ALL stores will carry java fern. If you get only one plant that is the best one for the health of your tank. Get some tall plants for the back of the tank (make sure they are not too tall for your tank) and some small ones to fill in spots at the front and you'll have a beautifully landscaped tank. Live plants are a little more expensive but SOOOO worth it! Plastic just doesn't compare!
As for what Bettas like... I haven't seen a live plant yet that my fish didn't LOVE! They are smart creatures and know the difference between a yucky, hard, sharp-edged plastic plant and a live one they can snuggle into or lie on top of!
 

gammerus

Member
Because I am cheap I just buy those bulb packets. I have found only have usually sprout, so it is about $1 a plant They're usually pretty good broad leafed plants.
 

atmmachine816

Member
shollia said:
gammerus said:
yeah, I have seen females at walmart, petsmart, and petco.

Alrighty! Guess I'll just have to open my eyes then heh. I've probably just overlooked them thinking they were a different kind of fish heh

I do have a question!
I would really like to get a live plant(s) to put in the tanks. Which would you folk recommend? Which would the betta(s) love the best?
What size tank, type of lighting, substrate is what determines what type of plants you can get.

Ploxface usually it's not a good idea to ask a lfs about plants as they usually know nothing, I went into a store and was telling them the names of the simplest plants like cambomba,hornwort, and swords. They also tend to sell non-aquatic plants, you should only trust a store that has a good reputation. Hornwort you said shedded for you, yes this happens but when you can get it not to shed it's a great looking plant and good algae buster, I can't remember but usually it's water quality I think is why it sheds, I'll try to find out for you so you can get some more, it's a nice plant if it doesn't shed.
 

AesSedai

Member
Phlox and ATM

Great plant information. TY! I copied and pasted the info into a notepad thingie I keep on my desktop for such purposes.

Bleached all my plants to be rid of hydra, flukes and algae and then threw them out. Not worth the risk to Zen so will be replacing them and the information helped.

I think I'll try and buy the plants online this time. The plants at the lps aren't in good shape usually and are loaded with snails and their eggs.
 

AesSedai

Member
Oh, ty ATM. I remember back when you said you were going to make that post and read it awhile back and copied it to my desktop Notepad
 

Phloxface

Member
The first time I bought plants was at Petsmart. They knew nothing about them and the plants were bad quality and loaded with snails! Not much selection either. I then discovered Big Al's and they have WONDERFUL plants and the plant tanks are SO clean. No snails at all! The staff knew what they were talking about and each plant has an information stick included that tells you it's name and care requirements (light, temp etc.) I have never bothered to do anything but rinse them before putting them into my tanks and have had no problems with snails. They have a HUGE selection too! I think I went a bit nuts there last time and spent nearly $80 in plants, but I have a lot of tanks to fill... If you have a Big Al's in your area that's the place to check out for plants! I love browsing their saltwater display tanks too! It's like a trip to Sea World! I spend hours in there talking to the giant Puffer fish, watching the Stingrays and admiring the adorable Clownfish
 

atmmachine816

Member
ty?

You are so lucky to have a bigals by you, do they have good prices in store like on their website, it's always a good idea to rinse plants to remove any chemicals that they might have on them from when they were grown, there's one chemical I can't remember that you want to get rid of.
 

0morrokh

Member
ty=thank you

As for getting a female Betta I think your best bet is Petsmart. They usually have a few healthy females. Petco does sometimes. Do not buy fish from Walmart.

If you want a plant that is about impossible to kill, get java fern. That is the only plant I've been able to keep this far. THey don't need anything special, just tie them to a piece of wood, real or fake, and stick it in. They look nice too.

Petsmarts plants are terrible. I got my java ferns at Petco--they sometimes sell live plants that come in plastic tubes rather than being in a tank. That sounds weird but the plants are pretty healthy. Or you could order plants online. I can give you a pretty good site if you want. The only problem is the cost of shipping.
 
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shollia

Member
Wow.. thanks for all the info everyone!

When we went to all the different petstores today I was looking around at their plants and yep.. as others have said.. Petsmart's plants just look absolutely terrible. I didn't see any snails, but all of the plants looked so dingy, brown and dieing.
They had also replenished their betta stock.
GOD It was just so heartbreaking seeing those females in those horrible tiny plastic cups. One was even dead and in a state of decomposing. Another looked to be almost dead. And the rest just looked so depressed :-[ I wanted to take them all with me. It was so hard having to leave them there.... sigh.....

And at the horrible Superpets.... their plants look a little better but I know they have a HUGE snail problem since the tanks that hold the plants are right along side the rest of their fish tanks. Last time we went in there, some of their tanks were infested with tiny snails.

We also went to a small locally owned store. They didn't have any plants for sale or if they did.. I didn't see any *shrugs*

Anywho! I really need to stop going to petstores right now. It just breaks my heart having to leave all of those little guys/gals there to suffer in their teeny cups
 

atmmachine816

Member
I'm trying to find some people to send my plant clippings too so if anybody lives in the us and would like some let me know, I don't like throwing them away and my lfs's will kill them unless I tell them exactly what to do and make sure they do which I don't have time for now.

thanks 0morrokh

Best place to get plants is swapping with other members or recieving free clippings but pay for shipping from other members on plant forums.
 

divakeeks

Member
ATM - What kind of plants clippings do you have? What would they be used for?
 

atmmachine816

Member
List of plants I will have are in the buy sell and trade section, most are stem plants and I might have crypts and swords depending if the make baby plants. I'm getting the stuff for my co2 today so they should start growing faster once I get it setup though need to drink the pop up first LOL . Might pick up some more plants today too. Tell me your light and tank size and I can tell you what plants you can grow.
 
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shollia

Member
Well we got a few real plants for our main tank and they seem to be doing ok for now. We went out and got 2 more today... I wanted to get a java fern but they didn't have any Maybe next time! heh
Anywho! I really like the natural look of live plants instead of the perfect plastic-ness of fake ones.

But yeah.. I'm reviving my old thread b/c... today I also went and got myself a 10 gallon from petsmart! MUAHAHAHAHA.
One step closer baby!! heh
We went to a Petsmart that was across town in the more "rich" neighborhood and BOY was there a huge difference with their aquarium section than the one close by. Their tanks were so clean looking and there weren't any dead or dying fish. However... their bettas were still all trapped in those aweful plastic cups, stacked on top of eachother. There were so many it was just heartbreaking to look at.
They had a really pretty CT I wanted to bring home (well.. wanted them all but ya know)..... *sigh*... As soon as I get this new tank cycled.. *nodnodnod*

Question.... should I try keeping some bottom feeders with the bettas whenever I get them? If so... what kind and how many would be good? And before anyone says something.. yes I'm dividing the tank heh.. I may be a newbie but I'm not that much of one! lol
 

0morrokh

Member
You could keep 3 of one of the smaller varieties of Cories such as Panda Cories. Or you could get 3 to 4 Otos.

How come you're dividing the tank?

Well, congrats on the new tank!!!!
 

atmmachine816

Member
You could also get bulldog/pitbull plecos if you have sufficent filtration or maybe kuhlis not sure if tank is big enough.

Congrats on the new plants and tank, what type of plants did you get.

Yes why are you dividing it.
 

0morrokh

Member
Kuhlis need to be kept in groups of at least 3 and get 3-4 inches...and also they are super active. So I don't think you could do Kuhlis in a 10 gal.

I don't know anything about the smaller varieties of pleco but are they really small enough to go in a 10?
 
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shollia

Member
Oh der.. forgot to mention that I'm dividing it b/c I want to get 2 bettas... a male and a female to keep eachother company

Would getting 4 otos (2 on each side) plus the 2 bettas be too many fish for the tank?
 

0morrokh

Member
I'm afraid that would be pushing it a bit for a 10 gal. Otos are sensitive to water quality so you want to avoid overstocking with them especially. You could put 2-3 Otos on one side though. It is a bit awkward putting tank mates in with a divided tank...you definitely couldn't do Cories cause they need more room than 5 gals to swim around.
 
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shollia

Member
Alrighty then.... hmm.. I'll probably just have the 2 bettas in there and that's it. ;D
 

0morrokh

Member
You'd be just fine with Otos, only you could just have them on one side. However a tank with two Bettas is plenty interesting with or without tankmates. ;D
 
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shollia

Member
*nods* I just wouldn't want one side to have all the fish while the other only had a single betta heh.... I'll be happy with just my bettas in the tank though! ;D

I'm still trying to decide what color gravel I want. I know I want to get smaller regular type of aquarium gravel and then get some larger rocks.... but colors.. I'm still debating heh.
I know I want black gravel... but the other side I'm not sure. That could be bf's side if he wants. He could pick the color and the betta out when that time comes
 

atmmachine816

Member
I have one tank with natural gravel and one tank with two different shades of blue gravel and a blue background. I like both equally well. the blue gravel with the blue background makes the tank look REALLY nice and the natural gravel with tons of real plants looks REALLY nice too. I just don't like the annoying bright colors.
 
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shollia

Member
atmmachine said:
I have one tank with natural gravel and one tank with two different shades of blue gravel and a blue background.  I like both equally well.  the blue gravel with the blue background makes the tank look REALLY nice and the natural gravel with tons of real plants looks REALLY nice too.  I just don't like the annoying bright colors.
*nods* I know I don't want any neon looking stuff. Not really my kind of taste... I was thinking probably black one side and red the other. I like both colors, but I'd mainly be doing it that way for bf since those are Gamecock colors heh

Then I was thinking purhaps doing black and white.. like a yinyang sorta thing, but then though no... white gravel would probably get too dirty looking too quickly.. like every other white object heh....
Then thought maybe like a light pink, but geeze.. I dunno! rofl
 

atmmachine816

Member
Well whatever you like
 

cherryrose

Member
The tank I got from my D-in-L has white gravel and also has a scattering of gray/black gravel. It looks really good now that I have rinsed it well. When I first got it I thought the gravel was sort of tan. ;D

CherryRose
 

chickadee

Member
my only advise is not to do as you have already mentioned and put fluorescent stuff in their as it really stresses the fish. You will notice a big difference in fish that are kept in a fairly natural environment and those kept with BRIGHT colors.

Rose
 
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shollia

Member
chickadee said:
my only advise is not to do as you have already mentioned and put fluorescent stuff in their as it really stresses the fish.  You will notice a big difference in fish that are kept in a fairly natural environment and those kept with BRIGHT colors.

Rose

Ooo I didn't know that... good info good info!

Think I might just go with the black and red route...we'll see when bf comes back home and see if he wants anything in particular
 

atmmachine816

Member
LOL black and red, sounds pretty
 

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