Jaguar cichlid info?

does anyone have info on jags? How aggressive are they, will they kill my other fish? I have two 10 gal and a 55gal. My fist 10 I breed guppies, and ghost shrimp. I also have a few neon and glowlight tetra, and an African frog. My other ten I have a couple corys and a couple kuhlI loaches. I also just bought two quarter size red pacus. "yes I am aware of how big they get". In my 55 I have 2 convicts 3", 1 Oscar 6", 1 jaguar 4", and a pike 8". Any suggestions would be appreciated ;D

 

If your talking about Nandopsis managuense.I know from my books that they have been recorded to be 18" long, aggressive, territorial, any plants need to be protected, big enough shelters, soft, neutral water, live foods and large commercial formulations. I am just summerizing this from a book of mine, I have no experience with them what so ever. If any one can add to this, be my guest.
Tom

 

Welcome to FishLore! Jaguars are very aggressive and will probably try and kill all the other fish in the tank. Your 55 appears overstocked. I'm assuming the fish in your 55 are small right now, but as they grow, I think the aggression will be to the death. Just your oscar will need all of that 55 gal. space to himself. Can you get a larger tank?

 

does anyone have info on jags? How aggressive are they, will they kill my other fish?  I have two 10 gal and a 55gal.  My fist 10 I breed guppies, and ghost shrimp. I also have a few neon and glowlight tetra, and an African frog.  My other ten I have a couple corys and a couple kuhlI loaches.  I also just bought two quarter size red pacus. "yes I am aware of how big they get". In my 55 I have 2 convicts 3", 1 Oscar 6", 1 jaguar 4", and a pike 8".                                                                                                                                                 Any suggestions would be appreciated ;D

 

I was wondering if anyone has any info on or has owned a Jaguar cichlid. I am interested in this fish based on looks but I don't really know anything about them. Can anyone pass on some info?

Thanks

 

I know that they get huge, like around 18'' and get nasty with other fish once they get into adulthood.

 

I haven't had one, but I've done lots of research. They get huge, around 16-18", are highly aggressive, and would do best in at least a 75 gallon tank, although larger would be better so they could turn around comfortably.

They're an absolutely awesome species and if you have the tank space and the willingness to keep them by themselves, I highly recommend them.

 

I have had a Jaguar cichlid for a year. True they get large, but they grow very slow and live a long time. I keep mine with an Oscar and my Oscar keeps him in check. I can answer any questions you have that I have knowledge of.

 

I have also kept and bred Jaguar Cichlids. Any questions you have, feel free to shoot them my direction

 

Anyone have a jag cichlid on here ? What are your experiences with them? Can the be kept with a Oscar n jack Dempsey? In a 180 gal. How many other fish can they be with?

 

In a 180G you could get away with an oscar, JD and jag. The jag will get the most aggressive and could quite possibly end up killing a JD or oscar but you just never know. Depends on the temperament of the individual fish.

Personally I don't see a problem with giving those three ago if you're willing to make a change if things don't work out. Just keep an eye out for aggression. You can often see when a fish is starting to get bullied too much as it will withdraw to a corner of the tank somewhere and rarely come out. If this happens you can take the steps to re-arrange.

 

Ok cool. I plan on something that big to do that. Could I still keep a school of bala sharks or silver dollars?

 

Yes in my experience you can. I have three bala sharks in my 180G American Cichlid tank. They do get pretty big though and are also slow growers. Much slower growers than cichlids so make sure you buy them bigger than the cichlids at first. They are super fast so my cichlids gave up bothering them after they realised it's not worth the effort.

I've never kept silver dollars but I've read that people keep them with cichlids successfully. May want to wait for someone with experience with silver dollars to provide input.

 

Oh ok cool. That sounds like a plus. Or maybe I could get them first and let them grow a little bit. The look of the jag fish is nice. With a big jag big Oscar and big jd with some ball sharks could make for a nice large fish tank! What kind of furnishings would work well?

 

That's a really personal thing. Depends what you like. I've just re-decorated my tank with driftwood and fake plants. See below.

Cichlids do dig up plants so going for real ones might not work. You can see some of my fake plants out of place as they get moved around by my fish.

 

Wow that set up looks really nice. I wanna do some driftwood. And some of those fake tree roots. I like the plant look u have going

 

Thanks. Yeah the fake plants are so much easier. I have a real planted tank as well but it's a pain to keep looking nice. Post some pics once you've got your tank up and running

 

What temperature should these guys be kept at?

 

76-82

 

Are you getting one?

 

God no lol a friend is

76-82

Thanks

 

Anyone here actually own a jaguar cichlid before or currently? I'm curious what the average size for a male is in captivity. I'm getting a bit of difference in max size online. Some say 14" some say 18" and some even had said 30"...

Also in terms of aggression, I know of that are a parachromis which can be extremely aggressive but how so is the average jaguar? Would id be able to coexist with an oscar and a green terror?

I'm just thinking of future tank ideas and I want to start putting together a list . I'm Interested in nice sa/ca cichlids.

 

I think 12-16” is probably about average. I had a pair of juveniles for a short time, they fought among themselves more so than with their tank mates, but meh my real word experience is pretty limited.

that said the stocking you mentioned could work but I think it could come down to the attitude/personalities of the individual fish you end up with.

 

I’ve never kept them but I went to my lfs a month or so ago and they had one that was around 12 inches and they said he had to be kept alone because he quote “brutally murdered” anything they put in there

 

Yeah it might come down to the luck of the draw with aggression. This tank won't be ready for awhile so I'm going to come up with a bunch of tank ideas.

The jaguar looks like a great fish though. And with the research I've done on the parachromis family, the jaguar was actually second least aggressive next to the Freddy or lorellia or something that starts with an "L".

 

Hey Lebeeze
To help you with your research. A link to an English guy with quite a few big cichlid tanks that’s more successful than most at growing these fish to adulthood.
Have a look at his tanks and what the fish are like, the difficulty he has working on a tank with a fish that draws blood as it bites.

I noticed the other day you can pick one up for $5 Australian. That’s as cheap as any guppy down under. Ask yourself why?

 

Unless a huge tank is in your future, big, Central American Cichlids like the Jaguar, Dovii, Red Devil - Midas & Texas Cichlid, probably not a good idea.
Years ago I bought two, three inch, juvenile Dovii. More or less a Central American large mouth bass w/ teeth.
The larger of the two murdered its sibling in the transport bag on the way home from the LFS.
The surviving Dovii killed one of it's new tankmates 30 minutes after introduction into the undersized 65 gal. tank. I returned the Dovii.
Lesson learned.

 

Unless a huge tank is in your future, big, Central American Cichlids like the Jaguar, Dovii, Red Devil - Midas & Texas Cichlid, probably not a good idea.
Years ago I bought two, three inch, juvenile Dovii. More or less a Central American large mouth bass w/ teeth.
The larger of the two murdered its sibling in the transport bag on the way home from the LFS.
The surviving Dovii killed one of it's new tankmates 30 minutes after introduction into the undersized 65 gal. tank. I returned the Dovii.
Lesson learned.

Yes I've known about dovii for awhile now. That's actually my "dream" fish, just one male and 1 female in a huge tank, 300 or 400 gallons.

I don't have the room for that big a tank right now so thats why I started looking into the other parachromis. Jaguars are supposed to be much smaller and less aggressive than the dovii thats why I was looking into them.

The red devil i decided against because I saw way too many people say they are just way too aggressive.

I'm trying to get a blend between big and not overly aggressive. Like the oscar.
Ive seen this guy

Hey Lebeeze
To help you with your research. A link to an English guy with quite a few big cichlid tanks that’s more successful than most at growing these fish to adulthood.
Have a look at his tanks and what the fish are like, the difficulty he has working on a tank with a fish that draws blood as it bites.

I noticed the other day you can pick one up for $5 Australian. That’s as cheap as any guppy down under. Ask yourself why?

Ive seen this guy on YouTube before. His dovii pair is so beautiful. He makes me laugh with his accent and goofy attitude lol.

 

If you like Andys accent and goofy attitude you might like to have a watch or some of the older videos of this Aussie. He has a Jaguar now as well as 3 or 4 big Aussie natives. Not the mighty Murray cod ( thank goodness) but a barramundi and mangrove jack and a couple of others.

 

You might look at the Salvini Cichlid, a mid sized, very colorful, Central American Cichlid. Has a similar demeanor as a Convict Cichlid.
Both male & female color up. I've kept them with a male Green Terror, male Jack Dempsey, Firemouths & a female Red Terror.

 

I have to agree with A201 on the Salvini. Had one once before and LOVED HER.

 

Oscars should never be kept with big Central Americans. They will always be beaten and usually killed.

IME, Jaguar Cichlids are aggressive. "Less" aggressive is a relative description, and useless when the comparison is to fish like the Wolf Cichlid. Even Parachromis loisellei, which may be the least aggressive of the genus, is a nasty fish that cannot be kept with non-aggressive species.

Incidentally, my experience has also been that Trichromis salvini, while a very pretty fish, is just a smaller version of the Parachromis. They are sneaky fish, so their aggression is not always so noticeable.