Is This A Female Endler?

Greetings! Thanks for all the help and advice you have all given me thus far! My endler babies are growing, and I have just completed my 7th semester of college and nursing school! Some people would be starting to study NCLEX questions for the huge exam all nurses must pass after graduation in 6 months, but I am buying fish......

It is just a couple days until Xmas! Where has the time gone??

Today I purchased 5 very pretty white fish I was told are female red endlers. However, these fish are bigger than I expected. I have some female n-class endlers,and these n-class females are much smaller than the red females.

Here are some crappy photos I tried to take of the fish in my 10 gallon tank. One female is closer to a male,so you can get an idea of how long these females are. What do you guys think? K-endlers or some glorified guppy???

Thanks again for all the help! I hope you all have an amazing holiday season! I am close to setting up my 55 gallon! I hope to have water in it by December 26!

 

They really do seem quite large for an Endler, let’s see if endlercollector has any ideas

 

I really have to add something to this. It's a misunderstanding that pure endler females are that much smaller than guppy females. Most endler females from the same batch as those endler males have almost the same growth speed. When the males are already developing their gonopodium, the young females can be fertilized at that point when not kept separate (what's mostly the situation) from the males. If the fertilization will result in a pregnancy, the growth potential won't go to the body length of the female but to the development of the new fry. And that's why most endler females tend to be smaller in size than most guppy females ( using specifically the word "most" for there are also small sized guppy strains).
If the conditions are right ( with a large number of endler strains), an endler female can reach up almost the same size as a guppy female.
And it's also that the commercial trade had its influence by just saying that endlers are always smaller than guppies. And that's a matter of lack of knowledge or just a remark of them to make an interesting difference between endlers and guppies to make a selling point.
I'm keeping both N- and K-class strains overhere for years now and the experience throughout the years tells things about them which aren't always the same as what we've been taught by literature.

 

Btw, with red females, you mean blonde based? For the blonde based ones are hybrids (influence of guppy).

 

I really have to add something to this. It's a misunderstanding that pure endler females are that much smaller than guppy females. Most endler females from the same batch as those endler males have almost the same growth speed. When the males are already developing their gonopodium, the young females can be fertilized at that point when not kept separate (what's mostly the situation) from the males. If the fertilization will result in a pregnancy, the growth potential won't go to the body length of the female but to the development of the new fry. And that's why most endler females tend to be smaller in size than most guppy females ( using specifically the word "most" for there are also small sized guppy strains).
If the conditions are right ( with a large number of endler strains), an endler female can reach up almost the same size as a guppy female.
And it's also that the commercial trade had its influence by just saying that endlers are always smaller than guppies. And that's a matter of lack of knowledge or just a remark of them to make an interesting difference between endlers and guppies to make a selling point.
I'm keeping both N- and K-class strains overhere for years now and the experience throughout the years tells things about them which aren't always the same as what we've been taught by literature.

That is extremely interesting. Thank you for sharing!

 

That is extremely interesting. Thank you for sharing!

Well, when I read this I felt urged to say something about it. I do read and hear this misunderstanding a lot.
And yes, for certain there are large sized guppy strains and small sized guppy strains. The same goes for endlers (both N- and K-class). Well, El tigre endlers for instance... these are the smallest N-class endlers there are. And yes, they are for sure smaller than most guppies. But if you'll wait a couple of generations within that same bloodline, you'll notice that those females are also getting bigger.
In my case, I do own over 30 different endler strains. And I've been observing each strain in their behavior and how sensitive of mutation they are when kept in captivity.

 

Well, when I read this I felt urged to say something about it. I do read and hear this misunderstanding a lot.
And yes, for certain there are large sized guppy strains and small sized guppy strains. The same goes for endlers (both N- and K-class). Well, El tigre endlers for instance... these are the smallest N-class endlers there are. And yes, they are for sure smaller than most guppies. But if you'll wait a couple of generations within that same bloodline, you'll notice that those females are also getting bigger.
In my case, I do own over 30 different endler strains. And I've been observing each strain in their behavior and how sensitive of mutation they are when kept in captivity.

Thank you, Emerald King, for sharing your vast experience and knowledge on this subject. I was told that these fish are red female endlers, but anything is possible because I bought them at the local fish store. I know they got the fish from Washington state, but I know nothing about the supplier, or his breeding practices.

Thank you again for responding and educating those of us who are new to endlers. I also bought these beauties from the same fish store. They said they are “Japanese Blue Guppiies”, but they are smaller than all the guppies and have “dots” on them like endlers. These look like some endlers I’ve seen that you described breeding, maybe, Emeraldking? What are these? Guppies or guppy/Endler hybrids?? They are so beautiful! My new favorite fish!!!I included some photos with the longer female fishI recently purchased so you can see how tiny and graceful these fish are.

They are awesome!!!️

 

Tiger endlers and japan blue endlers are both hybrids, I have both - my japan blue are not true breeding I have two adult females (two juvenile females right now) one produces 6% albino fry in her drops as well as blonde and grey fry (about 50/50 for those after the albino is taken out), while my smaller female drops no albino, less than 20% are blonde and the rest are grey, so she is closer to true breeding than the larger female.
My tiger endler colony is true breeding and rather stunning males from each drop now that males have decided to develop. True breeding is an indication of how well the genes are passed on, if you have a good line the males produced should look like the father and the females should look mostly like the mother.
Now I have females that average out at three inches in my guppy colony, while my largest endler female is barely two inches (not counting fins in this statement). My japan blue are bigger than my tiger endlers.

 

Thank you, Emerald King, for sharing your vast experience and knowledge on this subject. I was told that these fish are red female endlers, but anything is possible because I bought them at the local fish store. I know they got the fish from Washington state, but I know nothing about the supplier, or his breeding practices.

Thank you again for responding and educating those of us who are new to endlers. I also bought these beauties from the same fish store. They said they are “Japanese Blue Guppiies”, but they are smaller than all the guppies and have “dots” on them like endlers. These look like some endlers I’ve seen that you described breeding, maybe, Emeraldking? What are these? Guppies or guppy/Endler hybrids?? They are so beautiful! My new favorite fish!!!I included some photos with the longer female fishI recently purchased so you can see how tiny and graceful these fish are.

Hi,

The ones you're having are officialy guppies. But yes, there's some endler blood in them. Japan blues in general are wildtype guppies. But the ones with a black dot are hybrids. The original japan blue doesn't show the black dot. Those doublesword and bottomsword japan blues do have much more guppy blood in them than those shorttailed japan blue versions with the black dot on both sides.

Commercially, japan blue shorttailed versions (no matter with endler influence or not) have been sold as being endlers for years. Something which happens a lot with also other strains of guppies which are in general a bit smaller in size.

Oh yes, japan blues are very attractive fish for sure. I've got those as well (both shorttailed, doublesword and bottomsword).

It's always tricky when you'll buy endlers or even guppies in an lfs, whether the info is correct. Overhere in my country it's exactly the same thing...