60 Gallon Tank Is this a bacterial infection?

Bonkers

What is this on my Balloon Ram?
I didn’t notice in the shop. Thought it would heal on its own in my tank but it’s not budging.
I thought white spot but something tells me it’s not so please help me you beautiful lot!
Also am I right in thinking she is a Female?
 

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A201

Looks like Lymphocystis, a non lethal virus.
No cure for it & only mildly contagious. It's sort of like a fish cold sore. Sometimes the fish's own immune system will suppress the virus & the growths will slough off.
 

Bonkers

Looks like Lymphocystis, a non lethal virus.
No cure for it & only mildly contagious. It's sort of like a fish cold sore. Sometimes the fish's own immune system will suppress the virus & the growths will slough off.
That’s interesting. What about the missing part of dorsal fin, could that be Lymphcystis or possibly something like fin rot?

thanks
 

A201

Lymphocystis probably wouldn't erode the dorsal.
It's always difficult to determine from pics, but do the white dots on the fins look like fungus or tiny callused growths.
 

MacZ

Looks more like the early stage of chronic columnaris.
Finrot would rather be a bigger area, although it might be starting as a secondary infection.
Lymphocystis would normally be on the body, not the fins.
 

86 ssinit

I’m thinking it’s the result of water conditions. I’d change out 50% every other day and add a tbs per 10g of salt. Replenish the salt as you change water. That’s a ballon ram. They are not very healthy fish to begin with. So any water problem can cause stress which will lead to what you’ve got.
 

MacZ

I’m thinking it’s the result of water conditions. I’d change out 50% every other day and add a tbs per 10g of salt. Replenish the salt as you change water. That’s a ballon ram. They are not very healthy fish to begin with. So any water problem can cause stress which will lead to what you’ve got.
Chronic columnaris is basically this. I only disagree on the salt, tannins would be probably more effective.

And absolutely agree on these fish usually not being healthy to begin with.
 

86 ssinit

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Chronic columnaris is basically this. I only disagree on the salt, tannins would be probably more effective.

And absolutely agree on these fish usually not being healthy to begin with.
I’m with you. I know nothing and I’m mean nothing about illnesses. Read a lot about columnaris. It seems to show in a lot of different ways. But to me just knowing how delicate rams are and I keep rams. Those ballon rams they need discus like water. They need warm water 82-84*. Being that this fish is just showing signs on its fins I’m blaming the water. Op what the temp of the tank? I’ve kept ballon rams with no luck at all. None lived more than a month and looked great right till death :(.
Next I get it and there are many who don’t and won’t use salt. I started with salt when all we had was salt. I’ve never had a negative result. Maybe I’m just lucky :). Yes it’s no good with plants. But that’s in higher doses. Recently with a discus problem I added 7 tbs to 10 gal in a 125g tank. No negative effects on the discus. All healthy now. As for tannins I just don’t know enough about them and when to use them. When I retire and have time to read up and experiment I will. They’re natural and probably much better than any of these meds the companies are selling people.
 

LowConductivity

I don’t see enough to lean one way or the other.

should you decide it’s “columnaris”, save your money, don’t buy the fancy meds that really don’t work. Potassium permanganate, salt, low pH, and tds below 60 are the most effective treatment methods I’ve been able to put to use.
 

MacZ

I don’t see enough to lean one way or the other.

should you decide it’s “columnaris”, save your money, don’t buy the fancy meds that really don’t work. Potassium permanganate, salt, low pH, and tds below 60 are the most effective treatment methods I’ve been able to put to use.
I agree on the safe the "money for meds"-part and low pH and low TDS. Haven't worked with potassium permanganate and I don't use salt on softwater fish.
I dumped what felt like tons in with my Malawis and Tanganyikans back then, no big deal, but the few times I tried it on softwater fish had adverse effects, since I didn't use it.

Otherwise good aeration (not from an airstone), stress reduction and optimizing keeping conditions are helpful aswell.

Bonkers Could you please still fill out the emergency template and post a picture of the whole tank, so one might help you with any stress factors which definitely attribute to the condition?
 

Bonkers

I agree on the safe the "money for meds"-part and low pH and low TDS. Haven't worked with potassium permanganate and I don't use salt on softwater fish.
I dumped what felt like tons in with my Malawis and Tanganyikans back then, no big deal, but the few times I tried it on softwater fish had adverse effects, since I didn't use it.

Otherwise good aeration (not from an airstone), stress reduction and optimizing keeping conditions are helpful aswell.

Bonkers Could you please still fill out the emergency template and post a picture of the whole tank, so one might help you with any stress factors which definitely attribute to the condition?
Tank
What is the water volume of the tank? 240L
How long has the tank been running? 18 months
Does it have a filter? Juwel Rio standard
Does it have a heater? Juwel
What is the water temperature? 28.5 degrees C
What is the entire stocking of this tank?
9 corys
9 cardinal tetras
1 Betta (Bert)
5 bumblebee goby
Black ghost knife
8 ottos
1 Loon Ram

Maintenance
How often do you change the water? 1/2 times a week
How much of the water do you change? 20-50%
What do you use to treat your water? branded conditioner
Do you vacuum the substrate or just the water? I vacuum the top of the substrate, then mix the sand and vacuum again.

*Parameters - Very Important
Did you cycle your tank before adding fish?yes
What do you use to test the water? API kit
What are your parameters?
Ammonia: 0
Nitrite: 0
Nitrate: 30-40 (tap water contains nitrates in the UK)
pH: 8.2 hard water

Feeding
How often do you feed your fish? 1 day dry 1 day off 1 day frozen 1 day off and cycle.
How much do you feed your fish? Once on feed days and not too much.
What brand of food do you feed your fish? Fish science pellet, API bottom feeder, Vitalis flakes
Do you feed frozen? Small bloodworms
Do you feed freeze-dried foods? No

Illness & Symptoms
How long have you had this fish? 3 weeks
How long ago did you first notice these symptoms? 3 weeks ago
In a few words, can you explain the symptoms? Cotton like growth and occasionally flashing on rocks
Have you started any treatment for the illness? Nope
Was your fish physically ill or injured upon purchase? Yes, this is the problem :(
How has its behavior and appearance changed, if at all? It eats but certainly not dominant or first to the food like every other ram I have owned.
 

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A201

Yeah, looking at the new pics, I'm going with a bacterial infection. The white growths are likely fungus attached to dead fin tissue.
I'm not a big fan of aquarium specific antibiotics. They rarely cure and can cause more harm than good to the aquarium environment.
You might try Pimafix or Melafix. Both are herbal meds that shouldn't harm the Beneficial bacteria. I believe Pimafix has antifungal properties & Melafix is often used as an antiseptic.
Hope things get better soon.
 

MacZ

9 corys
9 cardinal tetras
1 Betta (Bert)
5 bumblebee goby
Black ghost knife
8 ottos
1 Loon Ram
Oh boy... Without going into detail: You will have to sort this stocking out soon-ish. (You have maybe 6 months until the ghost knife will become a problem. Emphasis on "will".

Maintenance
How often do you change the water? 1/2 times a week
How much of the water do you change? 20-50%
What do you use to treat your water? branded conditioner
Do you vacuum the substrate or just the water? I vacuum the top of the substrate, then mix the sand and vacuum again.
Stop vacuuming the sand, you only remove beneficial bacteria with that, the detritus accumulates on top. And even that I wouldn't remove. The tank is too clean. Yes, too clean is possible.
Also just do 50% water change a week.

*Parameters - Very Important
Did you cycle your tank before adding fish?yes
What do you use to test the water? API kit
What are your parameters?
Ammonia: 0
Nitrite: 0
Nitrate: 30-40 (tap water contains nitrates in the UK)
pH: 8.2 hard water
The pH is really not suitable for most of your fish, but nothing you can just "fix". But it contributes to the already weak health of balloon rams nonetheless. They are even more finnicky about water parameters than normal rams and those are also mostly only finnicky when coming from a farm and not a specialised breeder. Overbreeding has given most rams from the normal trade an average live span in home aquariums of less than a year.

Feeding
How often do you feed your fish? 1 day dry 1 day off 1 day frozen 1 day off and cycle.
How much do you feed your fish? Once on feed days and not too much.
What brand of food do you feed your fish? Fish science pellet, API bottom feeder, Vitalis flakes
Do you feed frozen? Small bloodworms
Do you feed freeze-dried foods? No
Schedule and amounts are good.

Replace the bloodworms with something healthy: Artemia, Daphnia, mosquito larvae (white or black). Bloodworms are just junk.

Now for the tank...

It is too bright. Much too bright. Most of your fish would prefer darker environments. They have been habituated to it (otherwise they wouldn't be out), but long term this is not good. Imagine being put in a white room with lights full on all day 24/7. This is basically your tank.

I would add much more plants and driftwood, as well as leaf litter, and turn down the lights by at least 25, maybe 50%.

Sorry, I'm a bit preoccupied right now, but I hope the hints and tipps help you a bit.
I believe Pimafix has antifungal properties & Melafix is often used as an antiseptic.
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I'd use neither.
 

86 ssinit

Mac said it all :). Yes you’ll know your ghost is changing when your fish start disappearing (becoming real ghosts lol). Ph is high. Need to ask the place you bought the ram what their ph is. Fish can adjust. Not so sure if the ram can though.
 

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