Is My Silver Dollar Okay

HI Everyone,
I'm not too sure if it's always been there but it looks like kind of wierd.

My Silver Dollar has ball like things on his nostril area, the others don't seem to have it. The white stuff are not present on the body or any other fish. Water Parameters are 0.00ppm Ammonia and Nitrite and 3-4ppm Nitrate.

He's still eating and super active.

DoubleDutch CindiL tyguy7760
chromedome52
Any ideas guys?

Thanks Guys!

 

I have never kept silver dollars, but that looks like an infection in the nostrils. How you can treat it depends on what you have access to. That's one I'd fight with prevention since antibiotics for fish are very hard to get where I live.
It's usually a crowding/stress/water quality issue, but it can kill the fish. I'll bail here and wait for someone to suggest a medication.
I'd start with water changes if I were you.

 

I have never kept silver dollars, but that looks like an infection in the nostrils. How you can treat it depends on what you have access to. That's one I'd fight with prevention since antibiotics for fish are very hard to get where I live.
It's usually a crowding/stress/water quality issue, but it can kill the fish. I'll bail here and wait for someone to suggest a medication.
I'd start with water changes if I were you.

Thanks for your help, I've just done a 60% water change, will there infection get worse if not treated and is it contagious?

Another thing, the marks have the exact same size, shape and color as the substrate, could the substrate gotten stuck in his or her nostril?

My Silver Dollars do like to freak out sometimes when I do water changes.

 

Sorry to hear you are having problem with the new tank's fish again. Sometimes I just hate adding new fish. If I remember correctly you do have access to medications if needed. Seachem products?

 

Sorry to hear you are having problem with the new tank's fish again. Sometimes I just hate adding new fish. If I remember correctly you do have access to medications if needed. Seachem products?

Yes, I have Paraguard on hand. I'll be separating him from the main tank tommorow.

Is this contagious by The way?

Should I treat the infected fish with Seachem Paraguard? And will it be effective?

Anders247 help please

 

Honestly I don't know......

 

Honestly I don't know......

Do you know anyone who might?

 

Is it a fuzzy cotton growth? It's kinda hard to tell from the pic. One option is to treat with antibiotics. Kanaplex and Bifuran combo should get rid of most basic infections.

If that doesn't work, I'd go with deworming. Anything with praziquantel. Prazipro, for example.

Idk offhand what's in paragard.

Before you try any of those meds, you can try a methylene Blue bath. I recently treated early stage columnaris in my sunfish this way.

I used an ice cream pail with tank water and added 5mls of methylene Blue. It was probably too much, but he got better.

 

Is it a fuzzy cotton growth? It's kinda hard to tell from the pic. One option is to treat with antibiotics. Kanaplex and Bifuran combo should get rid of most basic infections.

If that doesn't work, I'd go with deworming. Anything with praziquantel. Prazipro, for example.

Idk offhand what's in paragard.

Before you try any of those meds, you can try a methylene Blue bath. I recently treated early stage columnaris in my sunfish this way.

I used an ice cream pail with tank water and added 5mls of methylene Blue. It was probably too much, but he got better.

No, it's not fuzzy.

I do have methylene on hand, would you recommend daily baths?

Here is Seachem Paraguard:
Seachem - ParaGuard

Also, here in Jakarta we don't have those kind of antibiotics, the best I've found here is Seachem Paraguard

 

I did some googling and came across lymphocystis. Does it look like that? If it does, I have no experience with it

 

lymphocystis: FA181/FA181: Lymphocystis Disease in Fish

If it is this, it is not curable because it is a virus. But, it looks like it is rarely deadly to fish if kept tank clean.

 

Ed, can you get anything with an antibiotic in it? Seachem NeoPlex, Seachem Kanaplex? I'm not saying that is what you need right now, but it might be. The paraguard might work if it is fungal but it probably won't work for bacterial infections. I'm leaning more toward bacterial.

 

Definitely NOT lymphocytis.

Lymphocytis is more cottony looking, my fish has NO cotton looking marks on him.

According to SeaChem, Paraguard can treat external bacterial lesions, which I believe is the case right now.

Could it be the substrate stuck in his gills?

 

I know that the "Bacterial Infection" box was checked on the Seachem site, but the follow quote come from Seachem customer support:
01-29-2015, 10:47
Re: ParaGuard avtive ingredients

Maracyn One was a trade name, not an active ingredient. It was not our product so I don't have the specifics about the product, but my understanding from things I've read online is that it contains the antibiotic erythromycin. ParaGuard doesn't contain any antibiotics, though its active ingredients can help fight some bacterial infections.

As mentioned on the label and product page for ParaGuard, it contains a "blend of aldehydes, malachite green, and fish protective polymers". The exact blend is proprietary so I can't elaborate beyond that but it does not contain the same active ingredients as Maracyn.

 

I know that the "Bacterial Infection" box was checked on the Seachem site, but the follow quote come from Seachem customer support:
01-29-2015, 10:47
Re: ParaGuard avtive ingredients

Maracyn One was a trade name, not an active ingredient. It was not our product so I don't have the specifics about the product, but my understanding from things I've read online is that it contains the antibiotic erythromycin. ParaGuard doesn't contain any antibiotics, though its active ingredients can help fight some bacterial infections.

As mentioned on the label and product page for ParaGuard, it contains a "blend of aldehydes, malachite green, and fish protective polymers". The exact blend is proprietary so I can't elaborate beyond that but it does not contain the same active ingredients as Maracyn.

But it will fight against bacterial infections right?
I'll try to get Kanaplex from my supplier tomorrow, but will Seachem Cupramine work?

CindiL I would really like your advice please.

 

CindiL I would really like your advice please.

CindI is on going thru her alerts now. I'm sure she will get to your thread soon. (Sorry Ed, not familiar with Cupramine. CindI probably is)

 

Hi, I haven't responded because I have never kept silver dollars and thought maybe someone more knowledgeable would answer.

So, they don't have nostrils per se, they have nares that they smell through but cannot breath through and I don't think they look like nostrils.... but again I have never had these fish. I don't think its substrate.

My gut feeling is to do a daily methylene blue bath for an hour a day and put paraguard into the tank. It has malachite green and would help treat a fungal issue, parasitic and some bacteria. The methylene blue would also treat for fungus and parasitic and bacterial as well. They work differently so I'd treat with both, one in tank and one outside the tank.

Are they growing? Was it always two or did it start with one?

 

Hi, I haven't responded because I have never kept silver dollars and thought maybe someone more knowledgeable would answer.

So, they don't have nostrils per se, they have nares that they smell through but cannot breath through and I don't think they look like nostrils.... but again I have never had these fish. I don't think its substrate.

My gut feeling is to do a daily methylene blue bath for an hour a day and put paraguard into the tank. It has malachite green and would help treat a fungal issue, parasitic and some bacteria. The methylene blue would also treat for fungus and parasitic and bacterial as well. They work differently so I'd treat with both, one in tank and one outside the tank.

Are they growing? Was it always two or did it start with one?

HI there, thanks so much for the response!
I believe that it started with two and not one, but I'm not too sure though.
I'll be doing as you suggested, but is this contagious to other fish or is your typical bacterial infection? And no, it's not growing.

CindI is on going thru her alerts now. I'm sure she will get to your thread soon. (Sorry Ed, not familiar with Cupramine. CindI probably is)

Thanks anyway!

Hi, I haven't responded because I have never kept silver dollars and thought maybe someone more knowledgeable would answer.

So, they don't have nostrils per se, they have nares that they smell through but cannot breath through and I don't think they look like nostrils.... but again I have never had these fish. I don't think its substrate.

My gut feeling is to do a daily methylene blue bath for an hour a day and put paraguard into the tank. It has malachite green and would help treat a fungal issue, parasitic and some bacteria. The methylene blue would also treat for fungus and parasitic and bacterial as well. They work differently so I'd treat with both, one in tank and one outside the tank.

Are they growing? Was it always two or did it start with one?

CindiL usally bacterial infections are not contagious right? It's just the matter of keeping pristine water conditions

 

CindiL usally bacterial infections are not contagious right? It's just the matter of keeping pristine water conditions

Bacterial infections are often contagious, it really depends on the bacteria and how easily it is transmitted through the water column. Not knowing what this is really, its hard to say. How long has this one had it?

 

Bacterial infections are often contagious, it really depends on the bacteria and how easily it is transmitted through the water column. Not knowing what this is really, its hard to say. How long has this one had it?

Maybe one to two days ago.

 

Well lets see if the meds make a difference. If you have a hospital tank you could move him to it and then you could use paraguard and meth blue in the tank both.

 

Well lets see if the meds make a difference. If you have a hospital tank you could move him to it and then you could use paraguard and meth blue in the tank both.

Both at the same time?

Should I also treat Paraguard to the main tank he was in?

And I'm so sorry for bothering you!

Well lets see if the meds make a difference. If you have a hospital tank you could move him to it and then you could use paraguard and meth blue in the tank both.

Also, how often should I do water changes in the QT Tank?

 

I'd do a 50% every 2-3 days, replacing the medicine for only the new water.

 

I'd do a 50% every 2-3 days, replacing the medicine for only the new water.

Should I dose Paraguard in the main tank as well, even though none of the fish are infected?

AngelTheGypsy Whats you're opinion?

 

CindI is much more knowledgeable than me. If you have a hospital tank I would put him in there with both the meth blue and the paraguard, and dosing the display tank with paraguard wouldn't be a bad idea. I don't believe it harms your bacteria colony. Check the bottle first though.

If no hospital tank, do meth blue baths and dose paraguard in the tank.

All I know I have learned from Cindi, and I just realized I parroted exactly what she said.

I would try this action and look for any improvement. If not, we can try a different course of action. Stronger meds.

I'll keep an eye on this thread

 

CindI is much more knowledgeable than me. If you have a hospital tank I would put him in there with both the meth blue and the paraguard, and dosing the display tank with paraguard wouldn't be a bad idea. I don't believe it harms your bacteria colony. Check the bottle first though.

If no hospital tank, do meth blue baths and dose paraguard in the tank.

All I know I have learned from Cindi, and I just realized I parroted exactly what she said.

I would try this action and look for any improvement. If not, we can try a different course of action. Stronger meds.

I'll keep an eye on this thread

Alright I have him in a hospital tank, and I'll dose both meth Blue and Paraguard, how long does it usally take to heal?

 

Hello ed,

Silver dollar are very cautious fish. It means they are easy to get stressed and when fish get stressed, they're prone to disease, just like humans.

Actually I never encounter this kind of disease. But if it caused by bacteria, you should treat him with dry cattapa leaves (daun ketapang), it's very easy to get and it's cheap if you buy it. The leaves contain tanin and another herbal medicine. In some country, the use this leaves to mix with herbal tea.

Probiotic also help to reduce pathogen bacteria. You can buy pink bottle of EM4 for fishery (EM4 untuk tambak dan perikanan). It's very cheap,Rp 20,000 per litre. It can be used for 1,000 m2 ponds. But don't worry if you add too much because probiotics are save for fish.

Avoid the chemical like meth blue, it can kill beneficial bacteria and plants in your tanks. Stay organics, it's cheap and not dangerous to the environtment.

Hope it helps. Regards

P.S : I'm also from Indonesia. Salam kenal

 

Hello ed,

Silver dollar are very cautious fish. It means they are easy to get stressed and when fish get stressed, they're prone to disease, just like humans.

Actually I never encounter this kind of disease. But if it caused by bacteria, you should treat him with dry cattapa leaves (daun ketapang), it's very easy to get and it's cheap if you buy it. Probiotic also help to reduce pathogen bacteria, you can buy pink bottle of EM4 for fishery (EM4 untuk tambak dan perikanan).

Avoid the chemical like meth blue, it can kill beneficial bacteria and plants in your tanks.

Hope it helps. Regards

P.S : I'm also from Indonesia. Salam kenal

Salam Bang (Bro in Indonesian),
I'm currently treating my Silver Dollar in a QT tank with Seachem Paraguard, I'm also giving him daily Methylene blue baths.

I'm aware that Methylene blue can harm the BB in your tank and that's why I'm giving him 1 hour baths in Meth blue.

I think I don't need EM4, I already have Paraguard which is better than EM4 in my opinion.

Where do I buy daun ketapang (in Jakarta) and how do I use it on my fish?

This is in Indonesian so disregard it if you don't understand,lol.:
Biasanya aku pergI ke pasar ikan Sumenep yang dI Menteng.

 

P.S:
Obat EM4 belI dimana bang?

 

They are available online like in tokopedia. It's very cheap and effective because it's abundant in asian country.

You should go to Gunung SaharI 7A instead. Sumenep are too expensive

 

P.S:
Obat EM4 belI dimana bang?

You can buy EM4 for fishery (pink bottle, the yellow are for soil based plants) at the plant nursery store or it also available online. It's not actually a medicine, it's probiotics. It realease beneficial bacteria to fight pathogenic bacteria in the tanks or ponds. The concept is same for probiotics for humans like in yakult or yoghurt. This method are commonly used by fish farmer but unfortunately aren't very popular among hobyist.

My farm use organic farming system for plants and fish. I always try to avoid chemical and antibiotics since it can kill beneficial bacteria in the aquaculture. Plus if the disease are caused by virus, it's waste to use antibiotics because it kills bacteria but the virus can only be fight by antibody. The very basic of aquacurlture isn't just keeping fish, but to create ecosystem in aquaria.

Instead of buying expensive chemical products, we can make use of our organic matter. It's safer for the ecosystem. Bangsa kita kaya, kenapa harus belI produk luar ?

 

You can buy EM4 for fishery (pink bottle, the yellow are for soil based plants) at the plant nursery store or it also available online. It's not actually a medicine, it's probiotics. It realease beneficial bacteria to fight pathogenic bacteria in the tanks or ponds. The concept is same for probiotics for humans like in yakult or yoghurt. This method are commonly used by fish farmer but unfortunately aren't very popular among hobyist.

My farm use organic farming system for plants and fish. I always try to avoid chemical and antibiotics since it can kill beneficial bacteria in the aquaculture. Plus if the disease are caused by virus, it's waste to use antibiotics because it kills bacteria but the virus can only be fight by antibody. The very basic of aquacurlture isn't just keeping fish, but to create ecosystem in aquaria.

Instead of buying expensive chemical products, we can make use of our organic matter. It's safer for the ecosystem. Bangsa kita kaya, kenapa harus belI produk luar ?

Okay Makasih bang,
But I think I'll stick with Seachem Paraguard and Meth Blue baths, I'm also feeding him NLS pellets which contain garlic

 

AngelTheGypsy CindiL I, dosing Paraguard in my QT tank and main tank.
How often should I dose my main tank, I do 50% water changes every 2 weeks.

 

You can dose it daily, as you feel needed. As a preventive I would think 3 doses would be plenty, but I would see what CindI says.

 

Yeah, as a preventative 3-5 days.

 

Yeah, as a preventative 3-5 days.

Okay thanks, my tank is a 80 gallon tank do I have to keep on dosing 8 full caps for 5 days? P.S. Dosing is 5ml = 1 full bottle cap = 10 gallons

 

You don't have a hospital tank you can treat him in? I'd follow the directions on the back as far as dosing goes.

 

You don't have a hospital tank you can treat him in? I'd follow the directions on the back as far as dosing goes.

I do, I'm just wondering how long I should treat the main tank, because I'm paranoid

 

You don't have a hospital tank you can treat him in? I'd follow the directions on the back as far as dosing goes.

I'm planning to dose the main tank for 3-5 days to prevent further illness, my question is how much should I dose? Because I feel 8 full caps a day is quite a waste lol.

 

I personally think as a preventative you could dose it every 48 hours over 6 days.