Is My Neon Tetra Ok?

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I have had my neons for about 18 months but my tank has been established for nearly 3 years. For the last couple of months I've noticed that one of them is a lot skinnier than the others. His behaviour isn't different but he did seem to find it difficult to eat bigger bits of food so I now make sure to crush flakes a bit. Should I be concerned or does he look ok? Thanks
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It is the fish in the middle at the bottom

More pics...they're a bit blurrier though!



Forgot to say my levels are fine 0 ammonia 0 Nitrites 40 nitrates (tap water has high nitrates).
 

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Did you get a weird pic or is his back actually like that???
 

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Separate him now. Crooked spine indicates neon tetra disease or fish tb, neither of which you want to spread around. He'll only get skinnier and more bent until he dies. By trouble eating, do you mean he spits out the food? If so then 100% definitely get him out of the tank now.
 

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I had a bloodfin tetra that kind of looked like that. He ate bits of food then spit them out until he got super skinny and died.
 
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GrayGray4231 said:
Did you get a weird pic or is his back actually like that???
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Ohh, it is. That looks really painful...poor little guy Do what MissRuthless said.
 

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Yup. If he were mine I'd euthanize him. I don't know how to differentiate between fish tb and NTD, but the bent spine and concave stomach is definitely one or the other and keeping him around will only spread it to the rest of the school. It's a nasty disease and if you don't put him down, he'll just waste away until he dies. I'm really sorry to be the one to tell you. Neons used to be my favorite fish until I lost about 30 of them to NTD, and the experience was so horrible I gave up trying to keep them altogether.
 

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Yes, please euthanize ASAP. Avoid putting your hands in the water and use gloves if possible. The other fish may never get the disease if you keep the water parameters very clean, but assume they're carriers.
 

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Ooh yes, ditto on the gloves. I recall reading when I dealt with it that fish TB isn't the same as human TB and can't transfer to us, but I know other diseases definitely can and with the multitude of misinformation in this hobby, I would not want to find out the hard way that that's not true.
 

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Am I correct its colors are okay?
 
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Oh no! Poor thing. Is it clove oil to euthanise? Or are their other methods people use? Also what does it mean to be a carrier? Will others get it eventually? I did lose a few (3) over night a few months back but never found out why. As this guy wasn't behaving unusually I thought he might be ok but will get him out asap. Thanks for the advice everyone!
 

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Please use clove oil, a lot of it. Clove oil is the most humane thing compared to what some people do...
 
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MissRuthless said:
Ooh yes, ditto on the gloves. I recall reading when I dealt with it that fish TB isn't the same as human TB and can't transfer to us, but I know other diseases definitely can and with the multitude of misinformation in this hobby, I would not want to find out the hard way that that's not true.
Didn't know fish diseases could spread to humans! That's scary! Should I do big water changes after I remove the fish?
 

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Sorry guys but you're scaring a lot of people completely unnecessary in my opinion.
 
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DoubleDutch said:
Am I correct its colors are okay?
It's colour is fine! Why do you ask?
 

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Fishgurl12 said:
It's colour is fine! Why do you ask?
Real sick fish (especially if NTD) loose color.
 

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Yes euthanize him with clove oil. There’s some videos on YouTube on how to do it. Sorry about the little guy
 

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ystrout said:
I had a bloodfin tetra that kind of looked like that. He ate bits of food then spit them out until he got super skinny and died.
I had a rasbora like that. The food part didn't happen the the skinny then dead part did.
 
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DoubleDutch said:
Real sick fish (especially if NTD) loose color.
Really? Is there anything else that causes a curved spine?
 

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There are a lot of "unknown" reasons showing this. Could be a virus, a genetic defect, etc etc.

The mentioned diseases show all kind of other symptoms as well. To be honest I bet that if it wasn't a neon no one would have mentioned NTD (what would have killed your complete stock by now).

One has to look at the complete picture before diagnosing the worst case scenario diseases is my opinion.

When one fish gets this you're not automatically "doomed". To be honest your other neons look great (a lot better than other neons in the trade).
 
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